True, but like SH he has yet to play in February. We all knowhw that has worked out for SH recently.
Chris Matthews on Trump
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We keep hearing how brilliant his campaign has been , but remember not a single vote has been cast yet. As I recall 4 years ago Michelle Bachmann was in the lead at this point.
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I think the people of Iowa may surprise us with their votes on both sides of the aisle. We will see.
Tom, I actually agree with what you're saying. We have no idea how these polls are going to translate into actual votes. The next few weeks will tell us all we need to know. Personally, I think Trump has struck a chord with his messaging to working Americans. he's not just speaking to Republicans, in fact he is despised by the Republican establishment. He is speaking to those people that are disgusted with Congress; disgusted by the presidents actions; and disgusted with the partisan politics.
I don't think we are his audience. I also don't think Michelle Bachman is a comparable analogy because her support was really only in a niche of the Republican Party. He has garnered a lot of support over a pretty long period of time. Any other politician that said one or two of the things that he has stated would have been dismissed a long long time ago by the voters.
One thing we have to give him credit for is bringing more attention by the public into this primary process. Fox had 13 1/2 million viewers last night and he wasn't even there. Do you think the viewership would even be half that much for either the Republican or Democrat debates if he hadn't joined the process? He actually ended up making Roger Ayles a ton of money last night by not showing up and Megan Kelly is now a star will come man are you to paycheck. He has also blown up the credibility of the news media, which quite frankly I am enjoying.
If he loses in Iowa then not showing up last night hurt him. It was the last chance to get on TV and voters have short term memory - should be interesting.
and there is really not much evidence to suggest Trump's support is much different. Obviously much larger, but Independents and democrats really don't like him.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-really-unpopular-with-general-election-voters/
Agreed!
Their support is completely different....Bachman was Evangelicals and Tea Party....Trump is working class America.
One thing we know for a fact; we've all been wrong about the staying power of Trump thus far. It does tell you something about the undercurrent of disgust in this country.
Different groups, different magnitude, but I think both had the far majority of their support coming from a specific group of people within the republican party. Outside of republicans, every other republican candidate has better favorability ratings than Trump.
If he were to win the nomination, he would have the opportunity to change his tone a bit to attract more non-republican voters.
I doubt if Bachman ever was a factor in any national poll. Trump is nothing like her or the other flash in the pans the media compares him to.
If you look at the Trump rallies, what has surprised me is the amount of young voters in those crowds lately. I have no idea what will happen but me and everyone else continue to underestimate him. Should be interesting. I think Rubio helped himself last night and had a good showing. He has never run anything (my biggest criticism of Obama when he ran and it showed during his Presidency) but I think his inspirational tone and ability to attract Latinos would make him the Repub candidate that could beat Hillary (assuming she wins which I hope does not occur). I prefer Governors personally because they know what it's like to be the top exec and leader and deal with the legislature.
I think Rubio is by far the best chance for the GOP to win. I have seen polling that suggests he can get close to 40% of the Hispanic vote, which is what many analysts have said the GOP will need to complete in 2016. Trump was around 27% and Cruz was 35%.
After the repubs saying how inexperienced Obama has ruined the country, it seems quite a stretch for them to nominate a similar guy and think he is exciting their base.
I definitely think Trump will get dem crossover votes. Hil is not popular and the Clinton card has been played. They seem so tone deaf today, like hinting that Chelsea wants to enter politics...enough already. Two Roosevelts as pres, that I like. Two Clintons, no thanks.
(No, I was no impressed with Bill's job as pres. I think he was given about the easiest stretch in recent history, with the Cold War done and the economy booming, and he ignored the Islamic threat that was brewing till it was too late. I think he was a pussy in foreign affairs and he balanced the budget mainly cause Gingrich made him do it. And if you are going be getting a BJ in the OA, why not Cindy Crawford?)
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It seems like a stretch that you would see hypocritical political rhetoric? Really?
Rubio can excite the base, he's young, energetic, and well spoken.
He would add a VP that makes up for his shortcomings and Kasich fits like a glove.
In polling, dems like him less than than any other GOP candidate by far.
I think his crossover support will not be much different than any other election.
lol. One of my sons lived in Forest Hills, around the corner from Weiner. We were there about a week after his scandal broke. Some kids were camped out in front of his building and the signs were so funny. Don't be too hard on Weiner, Honk if you like Weiner...lol
Weiner and The Ramones, I guess there is a kind of symmetry there...
I live with a liberal dem who is supporting trump. I don't think she is alone in this thinking. Working class dems won't cross over? Why not. Blue collar rust belt guys wont? Not buying it.
Two guys in the lunch room today..."If Hillary gets elected, she's going to surround herself with a bunch of Democrats; If Rubio or Cruz get elected, they are going to surround themselves with a bunch of Republicans; If Trump gets elected, he's going to surround himself with the best people, like he does in his own businesses."
Actually, at this time 4 years ago Romney was leading in Iowa. 6 weeks after the caucuses Santorum was declared the winner. He was 15% points or so in third place going into the big day in Iowa. Who knows what's going to happen now. One things for sure Megan Kelly will be the poster girl for anyone runny against Grammy old Donald should he secure the nomination. Plus, you know she'll be a moderator in another debate involving da Donald.
Bachman was never ahead of the natl polls. Did anyone ever think she was going to be a factor?
I don't doubt it, I just don't know lol. So many Dems are ready to hold their noses and vote Hilary if they have to, so that we have an all liberal court, which is already way too legislative.
I don't see how the Repubs can let that clown represent their party.
