Chris Matthews on Trump
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Nice try Tom. Your point was about Trump was that he was pinning a problem on a scapegoat and acting like a demagogue....I was just making a comparison to Obama, which fits like a glove.
You obviously have a problem with my assessment of his Presidency...I can't help that. He's been a lousy President IMO and I've expressed my opinion on the list of reasons why. Case in point...the moron was in Detroit yesterday taking credit for the low unemployment rate by ridiculing Republicans by saying he did it faster than they had promised....and he's not a demagogue??
For the record, I didn't like Trump's speech either (and most of them make me cringe), but he's not selling to me.
There has been a decline in the number of illegal immigrants from Mexico, while the number of illegal immigrants from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, etc... has increased. That would probably confuse the crap out of people who support Donald as they have never heard of those other countries, so he dumbed it down for them by saying Mexicans.
Haven't seen his comments yet but the republicans are out there shitting on his performance as president and talking about how we are failing at everything.
Glad he defends himself.
Hey guys the last President blamed everything on Bush when he was campaigning and it became the calling card of the Democratic Party. Some of the criticism was absolutely valid and some was not. Now the campaigners from the other party are blaming Obama and some of the criticism is valid and some is not.
Thicken your thin skin because this is what happens and it will happen again.
I absolutely agree. That is the nature of politics, but that is not racist. Trumps speech was.
But aside from that, as scary as this might seem, he may just be the candidate who might make the best President. WHY? Well because he knows how to make deals some thing the current President & Congress are not good at and since he has been all over the place on issues he just might scrap ideology and just do what he thinks is best for the country. I think he would appoint well qualified people to office also.
Now this is just a hypothetical. But despite these possibilities the chances are that I would never vote for him.
TK
I saw a video of Sarah Palin's speech endorsing Trump. Absolutely mind boggling that she can have a loyal following. But then again what can we expect from a society that values the Kardashian's. One would think that a nation as great and large as ours could come up with better candidates.
Tom K
Tom K
My skin is fine... I'm just saying there are a group of people out there right now saying our country is collapsing meanwhile we have seen 70 consecutive months of job growth, lowest U6 unemployment since before Obama took office, inflation adjusted median wages are up 9% since bottoming out in 2011.
Some criticism is absolutely valid. I am glad Obama is out there telling it like it is. He should have been doing this in 2014 as well.
He'd have to be very careful telling it like that as those are the worst numbers in a very, very long time under a president.
Considering we were coming out of the worst economic crisis in 80 years, if you can contextually look at these numbers (and I expect you already know this) I think we are going pretty damn good. No president since the 1930's has had to work with a similarly collapsing economy. No president since then had to deal with a decline of inflation adjusted median income of 10%!
70 consecutive months of job growth is a record for private sector job growth.
The numbers have been very encouraging especially over the last 2 years.
When you come out of a recession, your growth should be way better than it's been, that's a fact of history.
Median income has never gone down by 10% at no time under Obama.
How the hell can you have a "fact of history" when you are facing something unprecedented? Come on. History would also say we should have contracted by now.
Median incomes peaked in 2007 and declined about 10% to their low in 2011. That is what Obama was facing when he took office.
I don't think anyone would argue that the recovery should have been faster, but the fact is we are in a SIGNIFICANTLY better place today than in January 2009. We had slow growth, which is continuously improving but maybe if it was faster growth we would have had another bubble burst by now.
As not a real fan of Obama (for everything good he's done, something just as bad has happened under him imo) but generally feel comfort with him at the wheel as well as see him as a good guy, I will say that he can't get all the credit for how things have gone economically under his presidency.
He should absolutely get SOME credit, but there are alot of factors that cause economic changes, not just a president's policies: past admin's moves that need time to materialize, what the Congress may or may not pass, worldwide changes, decisions coming from state gov'ts that help or hurt their growth or unemployment, etc.
He should absolutely get SOME credit, but there are alot of factors that cause economic changes, not just a president's policies: past admin's moves that need time to materialize, what the Congress may or may not pass, worldwide changes, decisions coming from state gov'ts that help or hurt their growth or unemployment, etc.
I absolutely agree with all of that, but when Obama was getting killed for poor economic performance (even on this board) for events that were outside of his control, he gets to take credit for stronger performance. The politics of it is really all a game. The decline in gas prices is likely to provide a boost to the economy, and Obama will take credit for it just as he would have been blamed if gas prices increased significantly.
One of the things I like about this board is that is is so inactive that we can view posts from 4 years ago and all of the doom and gloom predictions like michstfr with his 30% of employers will drop health coverage, or 85 saying unemployment was going to go back up when it declined under 10%.
Some people wrote as if a decent recovery would be impossible with Obama in office. At the end of the day, he could have done a better job in a lot of areas but in the not so distant future he will be remembered as a good president.
I'm rambling, sorry. My flight was cancelled so I am taking Amtrak back to nj and was excited learn they have dogfish head 90 minute on the train.
There's a lot of angry people out there on both sides and in my opinion, for very legitimate reasons; this country is upside-down, just read the daily news headlines. One of the key reasons why two outsiders specifically, Trump and Sanders are resonating with so many voters is because a lot of people, whether Democrat, Republican, Democrat, Independent, Uncategorized, etc., are sick and tired of the same old tired BS coming from the Washington D.C. "establishment" candidates. This is the most unique (two "outsiders" doing so well) and the most critical, far-reaching elections in our lifetime.
I had to laugh when a newscaster asked Hillary "...are you an "establishment candidate"? Hillary retorted in all her infinite wisdom What does "establishment" mean?!?!? Just look in the mirror Hillary!
I had to laugh when a newscaster asked Hillary "...are you an "establishment candidate"? Hillary retorted in all her infinite wisdom What does "establishment" mean?!?!? Just look in the mirror Hillary!
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Tom K
By the way I'm just curious, but is there anything that you don't blame the President for ???
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49ers
No, Tom not everything; as was done to Bush; just most things???
By the way I'm just curious, but is there anything that you don't blame the President for ???
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No, Tom not everything; as was done to Bush; just most things???
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Instead of making these dopey lists of what he should take credit or get blamed for, shouldn't a President be evaluated on the positions he took, how he demonstrated leadership, the things he actually led and pushed through? Taking credit (or blame) for gas prices is like me taking credit (or blame) for the SHU Men's BB record, just because I go to the games.
In my 58 years, I have not seen such a divisive leader....Race, party, class...there is no willingness or rhetoric to unite the country. He's jumped into race relation issues where he shouldn't have, but worse, took the wrong side in his haste (Mike Brown, Travon Martin, Henry Gates, etc.) and had to back-track because of it. I have made my feelings known on the ACA, which has not lived up to anything close to expectations. It was purely designed to provide more access, which could have been done at one-tenth the cost by leveraging the existing structure we have in place. Do you realize that his gun rhetoric has done more for gun sales than any single shooting or event? Smith & Wesson's stock price has risen 500% in the last 5 years as he's amped up his messaging. Every time he gives a speech, there is a line around the building at Cabella's out here in PA. What has he done to improve the disparity in wealth? Newsflash: You'll never turn that gap around with straight wealth-redistribution. I know there are many of us on this board on the better side of that wealth divide; If anything we've benefited the most under B.O.'s administration since that gap has increased at the expense of the middle class.
And I don't want to hear about how the Republican's have created this contention. Yes, there has been a void of leadership on that side of the aisle as well (which is why you have Trump and now Bloomberg), but he had a Democratic Congress when he took office and a public mandate....and totally shit the bed on uniting the country and focusing our efforts coming out of the recession. Now in his last year, it's all about creating his legacy as the first 1/2 black President. Next January can't come soon enough.
This is truly how he has made much of his money. I have various friends who got stuck this way. He knows contractors have a limited amount of cash to work with, banks don't like old paper, and lawyers cost a lot. So he uses that against the sub contractors and extracts a new contract that never sees the courts. No one can say he didn't pay his bills because he did. He would sue anyone who said he didn't pay his bills!!! and most likely win!!!! The guy is very very bad. Oh, I have been in business 43 years and have found the best thing is to avoid these types at all costs and find customers who want to pay you.
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Palin is a disgrace, but brace yourself before you look at the voting tendencies (if they vote at all) of those who watch the Kardashians.
Obama wasn't perfect and I agree with you on race.
Others I do not, but we have been through this countless times.
I think that speaks more to the effective fear mongoring against Obama than anything else.
You do remember the talk of the death panels... even on this board?
From day one, conservatives set out to make you scared of the communist, marxist, kenyan, muslim, who was going to take your guns away, ruin the economy and kill your grandparents.
I will blame democrats if they do the same thing to our next republican president, although we are a long way away from that.
When Obama makes out the NRA to be public enemy #1, what do you expect to happen? You realize most NRA members are working class people.
I agree gun sales have gone up. I actually get blast e-mails from the NRA, so I know the language they use.
Obama saying we need to end the gun show loophole roughly translates to "Obama is the devil and is going to take your guns and leave you defenseless and murdered by thieves."
The NRA has increased gun sales by making people afraid of Obama.
What I was asking for was if you could provide a reference to support your statement that Obama made the NRA enemy #1.
I have seen a lot of his comments about the NRA, I don't recall one making them public enemy #1.
I can go on a hunt, or you can point me in the right direction.
If you didn't see where I was going... obviously I do not agree that he ever said something which would have inferred that they are public enemy #1.
He has blamed them for "rhetoric that is so over the top and so overheated"
He isn't wrong on that.
We have too many guns available, anyone can get them, the govt cant agree to ban assault weapons, and we are gonna be shooting each other for a long, long time. 2nd Amendment my ass, total horseshit. This is not why that amendment was written. Oops, gotta get home quick, my wife told me the govt militia is trying to take all out runs away. See ya.
Citation? Sounds like a sweeping generalization. All conservatives are not Republican, either.
The SNL opening skit was a takeof of the speech. Unbelievably funny. Had "Trump" commenting on it in between parts of it. One was spot on "she's crazy". Can't understand what anyone see's in her now.
Trump must be afraid of her just like he is of Megan Kelly. His current move just cost him any chance he had at the presidency. Think "war on women".
Though conservative, I believe that you are correct, and really wonder how he ever had any chance in the first place.
As far as the "war on women:" what a disingenuous fabrication by the left. Just disgusting. The real war on women is in Africa (genital mutilations) and the Middle East.
War on women? So far whether he participates tonight or not all he is getting is TONS of press from this. He is finding ways to keep Trump as the conversation piece. Have to hand it to him.
