I am not even sure what point you're trying to make here.
Pelosi was attacked in his home.
Musk has a private jet for which the flight log is public.
Why do you think these things should be compared?
Classic Elon Musk
- Thread starter cernjSHU
- Start date
I am not even sure what point you're trying to make here.
Pelosi was attacked in his home.
Musk has a private jet for which the flight log is public.
Why do you think these things should be compared?
Most don't know there was suppression or censorship yet, MSM has not figured out what to tell their audience. Right now its just about making Musk into a bad guy because he will not fall into line with their thinking. They will figure out an angle and then the brainwashing will begin. Crazy thing is many liberal Dems need his platform so they cannot leave, plus now he has brought in another part of the population who has been largely ignored. But remember, he's not a genius?
Who marginalized what he did at Tesla? Most people think he invented or came up with the idea of Tesla Electric car. He did not. Although he projects that he does. What is being a hypocrite about investing in a company? I saw the value and how great this could be so I invested in it. Why is that being a hypocrite? I invested in seeing the product. I am all for Elon Musk going out there promoting the company. That is what he should be doing. Making sure quality is top notch.
I was very hyped for Tesla's solar roofs which I thought was going to be a big product but I just don't think Musk cares about anymore. But his lies are juvenile like in 2018 about Tweeting taking Tesla Private which was entirely false to manipulate stock price. He lied about securing loans to cover the purchase. He lied about offering Apple to buy Tesla. He lied about Tesla's cars being fully self-driving. This last one I just don't get. It is a marvel of the technology but why put people at risk at promoting it as fully self driving when you know that it isn't and that costs lives.
LOL...you made him out to be a "promoter" ignoring how he has raised money and successfully scaled the business. Now you're unhappy and calling him out as a bad businessman because your Tesla investment is not paying off. Boo Hoo.
So maybe you shouldn't have invested your money in a guy with this many flaws...Boo Hoo.
You are assuming he's safe, I'm assuming he's not safe. Does he or a family member need to be harmed before you show compassion. The nut job who attacked Pelosi was able to get information as to where the Pelosi's lived. One thing leads to another. Releasing a flight log makes it easy for a nut job, like giving the address to Supreme court justices homes, or Pelosi's home address. But let's roll the dice wait for the attack and then condemn it and act surprised. We are encouraging violence by releasing info as to where to find these people. The world is full of nut jobs.
You can never really prepare or take all the pre-cautions necessary to stay safe if you are in the public eye. Example Paul Pelosi, what did he do wrong other than plenty of folks don't like his wife.
I think your point is valid. I don't think Twitter handled things as well as they could have.
I've been a fan of Musk, Tesla and SpaceX and hoped that he would improve Twitter for the better but so far he doesn't seem interested in improvements as much as continuing (if not worsening) the culture war.
I don't own Tesla stock. I disagree that tracking a plane his a threat to his safety.
You're arguing points no one is making.
Flight logs are public information.
His flight logs 6 months ago were public. His flight logs today are pubic.
Removing them off twitter doesn't change that, nor does it change the risk to him.
lol...from the guy that was crying about how much money Musk is costing him. Merry Christmas
!But he is calling attention to him on a site that has 240 million users....something you conveniently keep avoiding.
Good product, but the price of panels dropped so much and the newer panels are nicer looking so spending the extra 30k or so seemed to be a tough sell.
They are still focusing on Solar though. Q2 and Q4 Solar deployment was the highest it has been in years for them. I think they will focus on the more traditional panels from here.
The solar roof which had a great design and did not look like solar panels was what I was excited about. I think Solar panels take away from the aesthetics of a house. Musk had promised these beautiful solar roofs that would look like slate, Spanish tile or very cool modern looking traditional shingles. For him to just go to the traditional solar panel is not what would make Tesla Solar special. What made the vehicles special were that they were as good if not better than regular gas powered cars but also had the great lines of a great looking vehicle. That same philosophy was to be taken to solar roofs and that never really panned out. The slate and tile roofs are no longer being an option or an option in the future. These still look good. solarroof
I just did a price comparison from Tesla Solar roof to the Tesla solar panel on my house. the Solar panel would cost an estimated $26K. The solar roof would cost 90K!!!!
Last edited:
That's because I see things differently, I was going to say because I'm smarter than most but wasn't sure you would get that I was joking.
So funny, on one hand you are saying he can take the necessary pre-cautions and when he does you criticize him.
Most people would not think to check his flight logs, and to me removing them off of twitter was a smart thing to do from a security standpoint. The less people who know his business the better. Do you agree twitter has a large number of people viewing this information. The key is the less people who know your business the better, repeating myself to emphasize that point.
The point is not whether it was valid to suspend the guy's account. The point is that he is a hypocrite for doing it. He has promised to put Twitter as unfiltered area where there will be true "freedom of speech" can be expressed without being edited. Yet, when it comes to someone putting out information that dealt with the location of what airport he lands in and takes off, he suspends the guy. It's hypocritical. So I wish he would stop with the Twitter is the bastion of "free speech." It is what Musk wants to be said and he will edit and suppress those things that he disagrees with.
Last edited:
The argument being that there is some lunatic out there that wants to kill Elon Musk but his plans are now thwarted because the publicly available information is no longer on twitter?
The ElonJet account was created a year and a half ago.
No one really cared. Same group of no one would care today if not for Elon wanting to create drama about it.
It's his platform. He can do whatever he wants.
He can champion free speech or not. I don't really care.
Though if he comes out saying he purchased twitter to protect the freedom of speech and then bans users and journalists for sharing public information, then he should be called out on that.
I hear what you both are saying, and have never heard Musk define free speech, but knowing he's a smart guy and also assuming you are also smart guys. I'm sure he means the free and open exchange of ideas and opinions are all good. Threatening the office of the President of the US could also be free speech, calling to bomb a university or poison our drinking water could also be consider free speech. I deem the above bad free speech. Please tell me what opinion or idea this young man is attempting to express? How is giving the flight log helpful, except to a nut job looking to harm Musk. What is your definition of free speech? Is calling for people to burn down a city or attack a supreme court justice's house who disagrees with you free speech? Not saying either of you thinks that way. Depends on your definition, some of us are peaceful human beings looking to have open dialog about things that matter to all of us. Similar to this site which honestly is a great exchange of thoughts including this thread. We don't all think alike.
He isn't attempting to express an opinion or idea. He's simply a smart, nerdy, college kid with an affinity for coding and (I assume) aviation. Flight tracking is a hobby for a lot of folks.
He is putting a spotlight on the travel habits of Elon Musk. Whether you think it is worthy or not is up to your own opinion. He is not advocating violence at all. So your examples of violence are not valid as a comparison. Now, again, I am not questioning whether that guy should be suspended for doing that. Just don't be a hypocrite about it. And that is exactly what Musk has shown himself to be.
"My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk"
He said that a month ago, so he was selling a concept that was beyond just the free exchange of ideas.
None of that could be argued as "free speech" though as incitement and direct threats as you listed are examples of speech that is not protected by the first amendment.
Tracking private jet information is actually how some news stories break. They try to find out where notable people are going and figure out why. Mostly irrelevant information, but not hurting anyone.
If he said this, then he is a hypocrite.
I bet there is someone who would argue that point with you, not me, we all have different concept of Free speech.
That's why social media causes so much trouble, everything and I mean everything is open for discussion.
You don't know this, and are not in the mind of every nut job. Musk obviously disagrees with you since he thinks it was a direct personal safety risk. These platforms are dangerous in my opinion, I guess we are going to find out how dangerous soon enough.
So the real news is that Musk is a hypocrite and not that twitter suppressed speech. Makes sense.
Got it he's a hypocrite is the real story and not that twitter suppressed speech.
Two pages of posts so far about one of his tweets. I think musk is getting the result that he’s looking for.
Crazy that you got worked about a specific ban on flight tracking info instead of the news that the FBI was scouring twitter and directing them to censor political jokes on a multitude of accounts.
Well, he didn’t launch PayPal or Tesla. That’s the thing. Most people give him credit for founding these companies when that is not true. Martin Eberhard and Mark Tarparning are the true genius’s of Tesla. How horrible that 99% of people have no idea who they are.
He does get credit for Space X. He committed a lot of money in doing space travel differently and cheaper.
So gracious of you to give him “credit” for SpaceX. The fact that he has taken a product and made an incredibly successful business of it… You don’t give him credit for that? Interesting that you invested your own money for a guy you don’t give any credit to for the companies success.
changing your tune almoat immediatly. record time. how much did much musk get born into with aparthied money va shusa? run those numbers.
You don’t seem to understand business. He has taken assets and created incredible value. You don’t need to invent the product to launch a successful business. When you figure out how to do that get back to me.
ahh so youre changing your tune now from that net worth comment. now its understanding business. keep going!! whats next? maybe throw in doxxing somewhere and really get this party going.
