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What Seton Hall needs more then anything else is a strong president who is an outstanding fundraiser who can bring all the different together with a common interest and recognize the value of a successful BE basketball program.
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Well that not happening so next option
I say GM, asst GM, traveling secretary, asst to the traveling secretary, make Mike McBride NIL director emeritus, hire a new NIL director, a few secretaries and a good janitor for the practice center and maybe we’ll win a few basketball games.
GM is the key. I think in this world of NIL Agents, this has become yet another thing we need. And the GM might just handle ioerations/money and than need a personnel person. Wasn't there some about andre Barrett doing something to help with this?
LOL, Mike McBride already left Seton Hall.
What I realize now is that all programs now need a strong GM. By strong I mean does not report to the head coach., The head coach and the assistants are now no longer responsible for the entire program, they are only responsible for the on-court product and scouting potential players with the GM responsible for scouting in conjunction with the head coach and coaching staff, roster construction, and all the off court stuff.
Probably can't, and shouldn't, rewrite contracts but this will lead to less power for the head coach and ultimately less cost for a head coach. They are WILDLY overpaid as it is.
Probably can't, and shouldn't, rewrite contracts but this will lead to less power for the head coach and ultimately less cost for a head coach. They are WILDLY overpaid as it is.
I'm not familiar with the structure at other schools, but don't you think the GMs ultimately report to the HC and do what the HC ultimately recommends and wants (if feasible)?
This is dead on. Unless and until the rules change, we need to treat roster construction like pro teams. Let Shaheen coach.
Then it’s nothing more than a paper pushing job that shouldn’t pay much,
I also neglected to say that the GM role is not a fundraising role. He would work with the fundraising arm.
The biggest need is rev gen. There's only so much budget the school can redirect from other areas to NIL before they start feeling the effects of it and hiring a GM is going to change nothing if there's not enough money to spend.
Also, just having money to spend vs not is going to be exponentially more impactful than whether it's the coach or a GM deciding how to spend it.
Also, just having money to spend vs not is going to be exponentially more impactful than whether it's the coach or a GM deciding how to spend it.
I think the fundraising and connecting with agents/advisors year round, so the HC and staff don't have to do so, and then dealing with the $ negotiations, is a big part of what most do in that role.
They are WILDLY overpaid as it is.
And a very big bone of contention for faculty members & administrators, who feel they are just as important & grossly underpaid.
And a very big bone of contention for faculty members & administrators, who feel they are just as important & grossly underpaid.
GM should be primarily about roster management, building a data driven capability to appropriately assess potential transfer portal candidates, current roster, and HS recruits. All while figuring out how to appropriately spend our NIL/Revenue Sharing budget to field the most competitive team possible. Can’t be driven by “these players remind me of the way I like to play, or any of this or that”. Moneyball.
They can feel that way, but tenured professors do very well. It's like the baseball team complaining that they didn't have all the amenities and perks that the basketball team did, when I was in school: they're not driving the revenue.
The econ 101 professor is not driving the bus on revenue generation and ROI to the school
You think Izzo and Pitino are standing back while someone chooses their players. Danny H wondering why his GM didnt go after player X?
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I think the GMs do the leg work all season and bring those guys options/possibilities, and then the HC makes the call.
That was an abject failure of a hire. Don't know if it was his fault, Seton Hall's fault, both of their faults....but that went exactly how I expected it to. I don't know whose idea the whole "Radio Silence" tactic was after the initial sales of hopes and dreams, but it was and is frustrating.
Unfortunately, particularly after a conversation I had with Mike - very nice guy, by the way - I would have to agree.
Good points but they're not making anywhere close to what the HC is making & other than their salary, their expenses are minimal. Any idea what the annual revenue is for SHU MBB? It had to take a hard hit this year.
posts above suggested othewise.
shaheen needs to be there for the fundraisers too. i think he stiffed them like he stiffed the media
I'd think it was pretty stout for the previous 10 years or so, but no idea. The rutgers profs ("Rutgers 200?") have been fighting this battle for decades, while they watch the athletic department dump money into the Raritan River. In the pay-for-play age, I have to think that their complaints are falling on increasingly deaf ears. It's completely wrong, of course -- but these athletic programs have been unmasked for the professional minor leagues that they have become. By the same token, some tenured prof who makes half a million per year and teaches one course a semester probably shouldn't complain.
100%. Pitino gives marching orders. For example, he says "We need a PG, SG and a Forward. We need guys who can shoot, are athletic without compromising defense."
Then his GM comes in. He has been leading efforts to scout (along with the assistants) college players all season and already has a list of the best returning players at each position. He's already spoken to agents of the players he likes to touch base and get an idea of price range. Rick looks at the player rankings they assembled and makes adjustments as he sees fits and then the GM goes to work lining up visits and talking to agents. Rick makes his recruiting pitch on the visit and gives feedback to GM on who he really likes so GM knows who to make bigger offers to.
The GM is 1,000% needed in this version of college athletics. Its needed even more than in "professional" sports because every player is a Free Agent every year. Putting this in the hands of Sha is a recipe for losing. NBA teams have huge staffs responsible for scouting players, examining analytics, negotiating with agents, fitting a team within budget/salary cap. It's comical that Sha is supposed to do all of this himself.
We are never early adopters of trends in the sport. Being innovative and taking action are how you win with less resources. Unfortunately we don't try anything innovative and wait far too long to make changes only after all of our peers have done it.
McBride went back to Texas where his wife and kids are to a great university in Rice. NIL went from about $300,000 to $1.5 million, or thereabouts, on his watch with major resistance initially from what I heard from everyone except Felt. McBride was not targeting the mega donors, only the events that Onward Setonia promoted.
Even if someone here had a number I doubt they'd be at liberty to post it but I'd guess operating revenues + Pirate Blue donations roughly cover department expenses most years before NIL.
Appreciate the insight. Couple of things:
1. If his wife and kids were back in Texas, why would anyone think that arrangement was going to work long term?
2. I have zero faith in the leadership of this University anymore. None. The fact they resisted what is a paltry sum of $1.5m just demonstrates how clueless and/or unconcerned they are with winning athletics.
3. Why was McBride not targeting mega donors? Wasn't he brought in to do that along with corporate partnerships?
So, based on a couple conversations I had with people who had spend some time with him, and being able to read between the lines as someone who has worked in alignment with development offices for 25 years, it was impression that (at the risk of oversimplifying it) he was waiting around by the phone for the meaningful donors to call him ... which did not happen often. Now, maybe the task of major gifts for athletics was the formal responsibility of someone else, but that seems inefficient when you consider the responsibilities McBride was charged with.
If this is an unfair assessment, I apologize. But I wouldn't just write it to yell at clouds.
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Another day goes by and no official GM with the portal open? Are we as fans really asking for that much?
I am pretty ignorant about how the new world will operate. I just wonder, at SHU, we cant raise enough money. And we want to hire a GM and more asst coaches?
I don’t think we’ll ever compete for the top talent. But even targeting the midrange talent and hoping to keep them is a tall task now that they’re perennial free agents.
**Who is handling the negotiation and keeping tabs on the market? Are we fielding competitive offers?
**Who is scouting all these players constantly, all year long?
**What’s the daily experience of playing at The Hall now? Guys are leaving only for money or are we not providing the best experience? IDK
**What’s the damage of 7-26, 2-18 and the constant criticism of having no money? Do we have a brand? Doesn’t matter?
**Do we have good relationships with agents? Or do we still fight it?
**Who is handling the negotiation and keeping tabs on the market? Are we fielding competitive offers?
**Who is scouting all these players constantly, all year long?
**What’s the daily experience of playing at The Hall now? Guys are leaving only for money or are we not providing the best experience? IDK
**What’s the damage of 7-26, 2-18 and the constant criticism of having no money? Do we have a brand? Doesn’t matter?
**Do we have good relationships with agents? Or do we still fight it?
He told me that they had struck out on soliciting NIL money from something like 47/55 CURRENT corporate partners. I would certainly hit up JAG and RWJ -- the latter gave a good chunk of money to rutgers' practice facility for naming rights. Mike seemed surprised to hear that.
Thank you for the value add information here. I always feel like I'm forced to understand veiled references or to have to read between the lines. Quite refreshing to get dialogue like this.
Fair to say, expecting to be reactive to other people is a bad decision. With this program, you can't wait by the phone nor can you afford to wait and let other people do the cooking. I can't say if he was a bad hire because my guess is they didn't set the proper parameters of the role. In any event, failure is failure. Curious if the University replaces him or just lets the role wither and die like most things here.
To be sure, this is my interpretation of those conversations I've had, framed through the experience I've had working alongside development folks for all those years. What I wrote is still a mediated message, even though I believe it to be correct.
Just like other pro leagues operate....coach coaches, GM is the overall managing director.
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