Honestly, I am sure my effort to retire the "No Reason to Overpay Isaiah" Thread will fail, but I will give it a try. I'm somewhat astounded and dismayed by the anti-Coleman sentiment. Is he the perfect player, of course not. But in trying to build something at the Hall, let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. The guy is a sophomore and he's our leading scorer and rebounder. He has not hit his ceiling yet! Of all the players to call out on this team, he's one of the last I would run out of town. Yet every time I log on, there's that thread at the top again. I hope he stays with Sha and becomes a foundation piece for the next two years. His price? It's what the market says it is.
Coleman Appreciation Thread
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Unlike many schools we have limited NIL money. So it is a matter of how much you are willing to spend on him. 1 million for him ? I pass .
i hope isaiah stays and graduates from shu. Based on the rumors it sounds like he has punched his ticket goodbye. just cause we lost dre and kr last year due to money i am not sure paying zay huge money is the best way to rebuild. but regardless of what he is paid i hope he is back
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Yes Coleman should appreciate the opportunity that the hall has given him.
Unlimited PT and basically do whatever he wants with the ball.
Unlimited PT and basically do whatever he wants with the ball.
Well, the hoard has moved on from Wusu and has now settled on Coleman. Of course our best player. Is he perfect? As noted above, of course not. But he got 15 pts, 6 boards, 3 assts and two steals against the #1 defense in the league. He took a lot of shots because he has to. No one else can score. Two guys I definitely want back: Coleman and Godswill. Both still with plenty of room to grow.
Last year - not this year - the average pay for a high major player was $178k. Keep in mind that 60%+ of high major players are not starters.
The MSRP on players went up significantly this year and is expected increase another ~50% next year due to the introduction of rev share.
That’s a long winded way of saying $300k is going to be market rate for like 6th/7th man type of player.
The MSRP on players went up significantly this year and is expected increase another ~50% next year due to the introduction of rev share.
That’s a long winded way of saying $300k is going to be market rate for like 6th/7th man type of player.
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I don't like players who hunt for shots and don't play D . One of many plays was the end of the first half. Shot by St.John's goes up, Coleman watches and Luis, whom he did not box out flies in for the dunk. This was not a one off but a continuing problem with him the last month .
He’s a good player. But if he remains our best player next year or the year after then we’ll likely continue to struggle. Paying him star money just because we have nobody else isn’t the right way to build.
1) I agree that Coleman isn’t good enough to be your best player at the high major level. He is a very solid player and I would like to keep him but ideally he would be your 3rd best player.
2) I don’t think $750k is star money. I think that will be market for a solid high major starter. You’re not getting *proven* starters for less than that. Sure you can get lucky on someone but you’re not getting someone with Coleman’s production for less than $750K next year.
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i think Seton Hall needs 1 player who can flat out take over in tight games. We don’t have that guy. I’m not sure we can afford that type of guy and Coleman together. It’s wishful thinking to think it’s possible. Just not reality.
Assuming we have around $4.5M, I think we need to spend $3M on our top three players, $1M on last two starters. $500K on bench.
1) You need 5 BE-level starters. Coleman is a BE-level starter and is far from a finished product. If price wasn't an object, he'd be a no-doubt keeper.
2) Expect a big jump as a Junior and with the end of the 5th years. He goes from a 2nd yr player with 3 classes of players ahead of him to a 3rd yr player with only 1 class of players ahead of him.
3) If you believe player development and continuity are important and that Sha having a player for 3 years will pay dividends Coleman can become the first to do it at SH.
4) Budget. Say we have $4M and around 90% will go to your 5 starters. That's $700-750k average per starter. Ideally you can get Coleman for that amount and he can be your 3rd option who can possibly grow into more. Go hard for 2 starters who can lead your team and fill in the other 2 starters for what you have left.
5) It's about selling Coleman on staying, reading the market properly and being savvy enough to make a fair deal. Even with a higher budget, is Sha able to succeed in those GM-type duties?
6) In nearly all cases, in all sports it's cheaper to keep your own player than to replace that player in Open Free Agency. I'm hoping we can get him for 750k but suspect he will easily get more.
2) Expect a big jump as a Junior and with the end of the 5th years. He goes from a 2nd yr player with 3 classes of players ahead of him to a 3rd yr player with only 1 class of players ahead of him.
3) If you believe player development and continuity are important and that Sha having a player for 3 years will pay dividends Coleman can become the first to do it at SH.
4) Budget. Say we have $4M and around 90% will go to your 5 starters. That's $700-750k average per starter. Ideally you can get Coleman for that amount and he can be your 3rd option who can possibly grow into more. Go hard for 2 starters who can lead your team and fill in the other 2 starters for what you have left.
5) It's about selling Coleman on staying, reading the market properly and being savvy enough to make a fair deal. Even with a higher budget, is Sha able to succeed in those GM-type duties?
6) In nearly all cases, in all sports it's cheaper to keep your own player than to replace that player in Open Free Agency. I'm hoping we can get him for 750k but suspect he will easily get more.
As a program we've had a lot of down years. Every single time the best player on those teams trying to do it all struggles and then the fans turn on him. Why you don't want to be a good player on a terrible team. Coleman is the latest. He's worn down trying to carry this mess as a sophomore. It's why he can't even hit FT's and is making bad decisions. He's being tampered with nonstop so many programs - better than The Hall right now - see the value. He's a talented player.
Let me ask this: Why would anyone want to stay here or come here? It's a serious question. Guys, we're 2-16. We better have a huge budget and sales pitch to explain what went wrong.
Let me ask this: Why would anyone want to stay here or come here? It's a serious question. Guys, we're 2-16. We better have a huge budget and sales pitch to explain what went wrong.
And we need to assume that's in pocket now. Not when revenue sharing kicks in.
Interesting. Then we should have our target list and sign quickly. The longer we don't hear of commitments, the worse players we'll end up with again. The best go quickly.
This is the approach. I’m willing to double down on Godswill being the starting center and focus closer to 3.5M on those 3 (point guard, lead scorer and a 3pt threat)
To remain objective here, if you were Coleman and an SEC school offered you 1.2M vs Seton Hall offering 750k it is a no brainer to leave. I don't see a world in which he comes back next year
Of course. We aren't getting any discounts. We have to pay what he's worth AND convince him to stay.
That's where it's very important to have a decision-maker who is well-educated in the constantly changing market and can negotiate with agents. Even with a higher budget, I think we'll struggle getting established players this year.
Agreed. This is all hypothetical. Coleman is gone. If Trilly says a player is gone, he’s gone.
3-5 weeks to find out if $5 million is enough to put together a competitive team.
Sadly I think that number is 8-10 million. Top teams being closer to 15 million.
I know he has a great “hit” rate but this stuff is as fluid as ever.
I think the better question is if Seton Hall offers you $750k and another good team/program with an established HC offers you $750K….
The syllable after three will determine whether he starts laughing and walks out or if he wants to stay.
The second he hears "hun," he's gone (and laughing at Sha). He won't hear "mil" in any event.
If Trilly is in the know and word on Coleman is GTown, Louisville and VTech, what players are we talking to as potential transfer
That team has six players averaging 10 or more points per game.
His minutes are down from last year, so it stands his production is as he isn't being used or counted on the same way.
Yeah you missed the whole point. The point is that Ole Miss paid Dre Davis money that was a lot more than we could afford to be their secondary option. If we pay Coleman tht money it’s expected he be a star. Not 10ppg
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