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Dear Seton Hall

Rimas

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If you are not on board with giving your 100% support to the basketball team, do us all of favor and disband it or remove us out of the Big East and into the MAAC or NEC. Do not lie to us about the support you the give team and then half ass it because you have more important things to deal with or you don't think spending the money is appropriate. Do not cry for money and not use it on the most revenue generating sport you have with the largest fan base. Do not fill our heads with promises when we know those promises will fall flat. Do not insult the intelligence of fans who have been season ticket holders for decades. Please stop giving us hope and always ultimately breaking our hearts. We are tired of slogans of the Time is Now only to be replace by Next Year is the Year! That thinking, the half hearted effort, has never been enough and it is why we are at this point.

Do you think think that the program is not important? Do you not realize that a successful high profile team will not only generate fans, but students and future alumni. My father has been watching Seton Hall since the 50's, I have been a season ticket holder with my whole family since I was 10 years old. Between my father, sister, and myself we have earned 5 degrees from undergrad and graduate programs at Seton Hall and have spent more than 16 years as students and have given the school hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition alone. Why did we all come? it was the love of the program, It was the memories we shared as a family year after year. I still have programs when from Brendan Byrne Arena with signatures of Dehere, Walker, and Gyrating Joe. Now we have six tickets together with our significant others and we continue tradition. Even at 1 years old, my daughter comes to the games and I look forwarding to sharing memories with her when I buy her a season ticket and I will push her to become a future alumni as well.

This would not be possible without the heights that Seton Hall has reached over the years. The NIT and Big East Championships, the NCAA championship that almost was, the stars we have had grace our halls over the years. We have a state of the art arena, we have in a high major league, and we treat our program like a low major school would. The Seton Hall Men's team is important. It is your highest profile sport and over the years I guarantee has put as many alumni into the seats as the academic offerings at Seton Hall. Our basketball team has a wonderful and proud tradition, passionate fan base, and great culture of class and excellence. We deserve better than what we are receiving.

The media has turned us into a joke nationally. We are mocked by our fellow league members and local schools. All the good will that happened this season is gone and replaced with national embarrassment. We are tired of being a bottom feeder in a weaker league where we have had prior success. The pride we all share has been hurt. Do you think the that this continuing will have no effect on enrollment? We have already lost the average fan, next comes sometime season ticket holders, and next is the big donors. Revenue will decrease, enrollment will be down (because who wants to go to a school whose best sport is a joke?), and we will continue a downward spiral until we are out of the league and down the drain. But please worry more about the construction on campus and the medical school because the Basketball team is not important. The thousands of fans that have supported the school as alumni and have been season ticket holders for decades are not important. No, we are important. We are the heart and soul of Seton Hall and we deserve better. Give us the same support we have given you.
 
Did you send this to anyone? Looks like a solid, toned down version of what you posted on the Trove. I'd suggest sending it to the powers that be, whoever they are.
 
Very good letter! I hope you sent this to someone.

I will construct my letter this weekend... I was waiting for the season to end.

I know one thing I will ask in my letter:

"Do you believe the average adult from outside of the tri-state area recognizes Seton Hall University for our strong academics, such as, the School of Diplomacy, Stillman School of Business and our soon-to-be Medical Program or do they recgonize Seton Hall University due to the major successes of our Men's Basketball team during the late 80's and early 90's?"
 
Great letter RIMAS. Please sent this to the BOR and whoever you think should read it. We cant keep Willard any longer. I saw on the free board that someone and I forget who either called or somehow connected with Arturas Karnisovas ans said Arturas was extremely disappointed and angry about the score of the last game the season etc. Everyone knows what has to happen except the school it looks like. GREAT JOB.
 
*Admin member receives letter*
*Admin passes it around, chuckles amongst themselves*
*Admin crumples up paper and tosses it through the mini basketball hoop on the garbage pail*
*Admin sends Rimas his ticket invoice*
 
Originally posted by Save Continental:
*Admin member receives letter*
*Admin passes it around, chuckles amongst themselves*
*Admin crumples up paper and tosses it through the mini basketball hoop on the garbage pail*
*Admin sends Rimas his ticket invoice*
Maybe you are correct.

But he is still voicing his concern. There are only so many things we, as fans, can do.

1) Voice our Concern
2) Do not buy tickets
3) Do not donate

Many have already pledged to take all three steps, some have said they will do #1 & #2, others are still figuring out their actions but #1 is an action that every fan who is concerned should take.

If they chuckle and crumble up 500 letters of concern about the athletics dept... Then this school and admin has certainly lost their way, and should not be supported.
 
Originally posted by shupat08:
Very good letter! I hope you sent this to someone.

I will construct my letter this weekend... I was waiting for the season to end.

I know one thing I will ask in my letter:

"Do you believe the average adult from outside of the tri-state area recognizes Seton Hall University for our strong academics, such as, the School of Diplomacy, Stillman School of Business and our soon-to-be Medical Program or do they recgonize Seton Hall University due to the major successes of our Men's Basketball team during the late 80's and early 90's?"
This is undeniably true. Even the members of the BOR that have other priorities in mind should know this. Fortunately I've had a chance to build my resume up enough for the perception of the SHU name to be less important since the further removed we get from that success the less weight the SHU name carries on a resume. I also realize that many Execs looking at a resume probably don't focus too much on the school unless it's an Ivy League caliber, but I do have to say that people seem overly impressed when I tell them where I went despite the fact I don't think it was that great of an academic school at the time (I do think it's very good now). But the reason they react that way is 100% because of the basketball program's success.

This post was edited on 3/13 12:38 PM by phi_pirates
 
Originally posted by Save Continental:
*Admin member receives letter*
*Admin passes it around, chuckles amongst themselves*
*Admin crumples up paper and tosses it through the mini basketball hoop on the garbage pail*
*Admin sends Rimas his ticket invoice*
LOL!
 
This is correct. Whether the letters and actions of alumni and ticket holders are taken seriously, we have no control over.

BUT the only thing we can do, is get their attention, and make our position known.

Or, we can bury our heads in the sand, and become part of the problem, not part of the solution.

I have already sent my letter...
 
Originally posted by The Crows Nest:
This is correct. Whether the letters and actions of alumni and ticket holders are taken seriously, we have no control over.

BUT the only thing we can do, is get their attention, and make our position known.

Or, we can bury our heads in the sand, and become part of the problem, not part of the solution.

I have already sent my letter...
Are you guys sending literally letters and not emails? I do believe taking the time to write and send an actual letter can hold a little more weight in how it's received but who are you addressing them to? I was planning on sending a respectful email to Lyons. I know his address vanished from the site but I'm assuming it still exists.
 
Originally posted by phi_pirates:

Originally posted by The Crows Nest:
This is correct. Whether the letters and actions of alumni and ticket holders are taken seriously, we have no control over.

BUT the only thing we can do, is get their attention, and make our position known.

Or, we can bury our heads in the sand, and become part of the problem, not part of the solution.

I have already sent my letter...
Are you guys sending literally letters and not emails? I do believe taking the time to write and send an actual letter can hold a little more weight in how it's received but who are you addressing them to? I was planning on sending a respectful email to Lyons. I know his address vanished from the site but I'm assuming it still exists.
I will do both.
 
Great job. Reading that gave me the bright idea to go dig up my own version of the "Dear Seton Hall" letter I posted a while back and pin it to my twitter profile. I shouldn't have done that. I thought, with enough time having passed, reading it again wouldn't affect me in any way. But it just made me so desperately sad. It sunk in that I'm not a Seton Hall fan anymore. Breaks my heart.
 
Originally posted by hallball95:

what's lyons' email again?
i cant find it on shu website :)
It's either patrick.lyons@shu.edu or pat.lyons@shu.edu I think it's the first one but send to both and hope they both don't come back undeliverable.
 
You have artfully captured the essence of what so many of us feel and I would encourage you to forward it to Dr. Esteban and the BOR, especially the Board Chairman and the head of the Board's athletic committee .
 
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