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who could have seen it coming!!

And they think the courts and Congress matter? The white christo fascist SCOTUS has given him immunity. He can tell everyone to **** themselves and do what he pleases and ignore all laws and court rulings.

The goal is Lindbergh winning at the end of Plot Against America, Japan and Germany winning at the end of Man in the High Castle, the Hand's Maid Tales. That's the goal of the Republican party and project 2025.
 
And they think the courts and Congress matter? The white christo fascist SCOTUS has given him immunity. He can tell everyone to **** themselves and do what he pleases and ignore all laws and court rulings.

The goal is Lindbergh winning at the end of Plot Against America, Japan and Germany winning at the end of Man in the High Castle, the Hand's Maid Tales. That's the goal of the Republican party kand project 2025.
You watch too much TV…
 
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Haven’t seen it.
The article is paywalled. Here's a podcast (with transcript) that the WSJ did with one of the authors. Some excerpts:

Ryan Knutson: Over the next eight months, Tom and a team of reporters spoke with several current and former US, European, and Russian officials who confirmed the contact between Musk and Putin. And why was this such a big deal?

Thomas Grove: It raises all kinds of important questions, because this is the richest man in the world and the United States' most powerful, important and influential businessman, and on the other end of the line, you have Vladimir Putin, who has obviously emerged in the last decade or so as the United States' chief adversary.

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Ryan Knutson: In September of 2022, Ukraine tried to use Starlink terminals for an attack on a Russian naval base in Crimea, but the plan failed.

Thomas Grove: They wouldn't work around Crimea. Musk had basically decided that they weren't going to support Starlink around Crimea.

Ryan Knutson: Musk later said he declined a request to activate Starlink in the area because he didn't want SpaceX to be complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation. The decision sparked huge backlash. Ukrainian and other foreign officials accused Musk of siding with Russia. After The Journal's story about Musk and Putin published, SpaceX said in a post on X that Starlink had kept Ukrainians online during the conflict. It added that Starlink has defended against efforts to disrupt service. In October of 2022, Musk tweeted a proposed peace plan, which included having Ukraine remain neutral outside of NATO and cede Crimea to Russia.

Thomas Grove: And he called the Soviet leader Khrushchev, his gifting of Crimea to Ukraine under the Soviet Union, a mistake.

Ryan Knutson: Which is sort of like Russia's point of view and Putin's point of view, essentially. That Ukraine, and particularly the Crimea region, that belongs to Russia.

Thomas Grove: Exactly. That is completely in line with the Russian narrative, that Crimea is, was, and always will be Russian.


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Ryan Knutson: There was one exchange that really stood out and it had to do with Taiwan, which China sees as part of its territory. A former Russian intelligence official briefed on the situation told The Journal that Putin had a request. According to the source...

Thomas Grove: Russia had tried to do a favor for China. Basically tried to do a favor for Beijing, to say just make sure that Starlink is never turned on over Taiwan. And so that was one of the most specific pieces of information from the calls that we were aware of.

Ryan Knutson: It's unclear how Musk responded to Putin's request. SpaceX said on Friday that Taiwan hasn't given Starlink a license to operate and that Taiwan has declined to remove a regulatory hurdle for operations. SpaceX said the fact that it doesn't operate there has "nothing to do with Russia and China." A representative of the Chinese embassy in Washington said they weren't aware of the specifics and couldn't comment. And what has the Kremlin and Putin said?

Thomas Grove: Well, the Kremlin said that there's been one call between the two; that they spoke about space, they talked about science, now and in the future.


 
The article is paywalled. Here's a podcast (with transcript) that the WSJ did with one of the authors. Some excerpts:

Ryan Knutson: Over the next eight months, Tom and a team of reporters spoke with several current and former US, European, and Russian officials who confirmed the contact between Musk and Putin. And why was this such a big deal?

Thomas Grove: It raises all kinds of important questions, because this is the richest man in the world and the United States' most powerful, important and influential businessman, and on the other end of the line, you have Vladimir Putin, who has obviously emerged in the last decade or so as the United States' chief adversary.

*************

Ryan Knutson: In September of 2022, Ukraine tried to use Starlink terminals for an attack on a Russian naval base in Crimea, but the plan failed.

Thomas Grove: They wouldn't work around Crimea. Musk had basically decided that they weren't going to support Starlink around Crimea.

Ryan Knutson: Musk later said he declined a request to activate Starlink in the area because he didn't want SpaceX to be complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation. The decision sparked huge backlash. Ukrainian and other foreign officials accused Musk of siding with Russia. After The Journal's story about Musk and Putin published, SpaceX said in a post on X that Starlink had kept Ukrainians online during the conflict. It added that Starlink has defended against efforts to disrupt service. In October of 2022, Musk tweeted a proposed peace plan, which included having Ukraine remain neutral outside of NATO and cede Crimea to Russia.

Thomas Grove: And he called the Soviet leader Khrushchev, his gifting of Crimea to Ukraine under the Soviet Union, a mistake.

Ryan Knutson: Which is sort of like Russia's point of view and Putin's point of view, essentially. That Ukraine, and particularly the Crimea region, that belongs to Russia.

Thomas Grove: Exactly. That is completely in line with the Russian narrative, that Crimea is, was, and always will be Russian.


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Ryan Knutson: There was one exchange that really stood out and it had to do with Taiwan, which China sees as part of its territory. A former Russian intelligence official briefed on the situation told The Journal that Putin had a request. According to the source...

Thomas Grove: Russia had tried to do a favor for China. Basically tried to do a favor for Beijing, to say just make sure that Starlink is never turned on over Taiwan. And so that was one of the most specific pieces of information from the calls that we were aware of.

Ryan Knutson: It's unclear how Musk responded to Putin's request. SpaceX said on Friday that Taiwan hasn't given Starlink a license to operate and that Taiwan has declined to remove a regulatory hurdle for operations. SpaceX said the fact that it doesn't operate there has "nothing to do with Russia and China." A representative of the Chinese embassy in Washington said they weren't aware of the specifics and couldn't comment. And what has the Kremlin and Putin said?

Thomas Grove: Well, the Kremlin said that there's been one call between the two; that they spoke about space, they talked about science, now and in the future.


There’s not much context there and a bunch of assumptions that prove what?
 
If Elon Musk really wanted to go after government waste, he would start and end at the Pentagon.

But he doesn't really want to do that. I'm asking you to think, really think, about why Elon Musk would do after an agency that is a literal rounding error on the federal government's balance sheet? You think he might have some ulterior motives?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/...ding-for-cuts-going-to-find-a-lot/ar-AA1yC8Ld

That didn’t take long. Acting on your request.
 

This makes sense, let’s help people who don’t pay taxes first. Musk has to find this before someone exercises common sense. FEMA is corrupt as well, maybe we can salvage this organization. They have no money but funding non taxpayers.
 

This makes sense, let’s help people who don’t pay taxes first.

Funding a program for housing doesn't mean they are helping them "first".
I appreciate that you may disagree with the program, but just like any other, funds were approved by congress and allocated for this specific purpose.

Musk has to find this before someone exercises common sense.

Musk is either ignorant to the facts or lying intentionally to stir up anger. My guess is the latter.

FEMA is not using disaster relief money here. They process the payments. I only know this because I looked it up last time republicans were trying to make people outraged that FEMA was using disaster money for immigrants, which they were not.

"The Shelter and Services Program (SSP), as directed by Congress in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023, is administered by FEMA in partnership with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). In Fiscal Year 2024, Congress appropriated $650,000,000 for SSP"

 
Funding a program for housing doesn't mean they are helping them "first".
I appreciate that you may disagree with the program, but just like any other, funds were approved by congress and allocated for this specific purpose.



Musk is either ignorant to the facts or lying intentionally to stir up anger. My guess is the latter.

FEMA is not using disaster relief money here. They process the payments. I only know this because I looked it up last time republicans were trying to make people outraged that FEMA was using disaster money for immigrants, which they were not.

"The Shelter and Services Program (SSP), as directed by Congress in the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023, is administered by FEMA in partnership with U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). In Fiscal Year 2024, Congress appropriated $650,000,000 for SSP"

Don’t disagree with the program, actually think the idea of FEMA is a good one. We need to have oversight on these programs, things change from one year to the next. Same thing with education. Schools are spending money so they don’t lose the budget. No money for NC and California maybe we could do something that makes sense and move the money to where the priority is located. I know you have stated the border was a mess. This is just an insult to injury type of situation.
 
Don’t disagree with the program, actually think the idea of FEMA is a good one. We need to have oversight on these programs, things change from one year to the next. Same thing with education. Schools are spending money so they don’t lose the budget. No money for NC and California maybe we could do something that makes sense and move the money to where the priority is located. I know you have stated the border was a mess. This is just an insult to injury type of situation.
The problem with FEMA is that they need to facilitate coordination at the local/state level rather than just be another layer of duplicate resources. Katrina was a good example of where there were resources available at local, state and federal levels, but commutation was atrocious and ultimately caused unnecessary delays that should have been avoided.
 
USAID making FEMA look like well run organization .I don’t believe FEMA pays for terriost college education like USAID has.along aid for gays in the Middle East I guess to help prevent their own country killing.them.The Democratic Party now is not your father and grandfathers party with their support of protecting criminal aliens,support of the falling teachers union to get their campaign contributions overriding any concern that test scores put us last n 40 country comparison and saying it is for the kids what a laugh..
 
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USAID making FEMA look like well run organization .I don’t believe FEMA pays for terriost college education like USAID has.along aid for gays in the Middle East I guess to help prevent their own country killing.them.The Democratic Party now is not your father and grandfathers party with their support of protecting criminal aliens,support of the falling teachers union to get their campaign contributions overriding any concern that test scores put us last n 40 country comparison and saying it is for the kids what a laugh..
Long over due on Dept. of Education, we are paying to dumb down society. Our kids and checking accounts got screwed in this deal.
 
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/...tically-fighting-doge-steamroller/ar-AA1z07g9

Dean Philliip’s a sole voice of sanity in the Democratic Party.
“Democrats are only focused on one thing right now, Mr. Musk. The fact of the matter, he’s quite popular. He has the largest platform in human history, which is, of course, Twitter/X. And I think we’re missing the boat as Democrats,” Phillips said in the interview.

It's not true that he's "quite popular." His net favorability is underwater, as is DOGE. So he's wrong when he says that both are popular with the American people. They're not.



Also, I think it's funny that he's saying that Democrats should join the DOGE movement when the article acknowledges that Democrats who did join the DOGE caucus have essentially been ignored.

Phillips was right about Joe Biden, he's wrong about this.
 
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“Democrats are only focused on one thing right now, Mr. Musk. The fact of the matter, he’s quite popular. He has the largest platform in human history, which is, of course, Twitter/X. And I think we’re missing the boat as Democrats,” Phillips said in the interview.

It's not true that he's "quite popular." His net favorability is underwater, as is DOGE. So he's wrong when he says that both are popular with the American people. They're not.



Also, I think it's funny that he's saying that Democrats should join the DOGE movement when the article acknowledges that Democrats who did join the DOGE caucus have essentially been ignored.

Phillips was right about Joe Biden, he's wrong about this.
When Elon/Trump start cutting off the money the polls will change. Its possible they are funded by the DNC. The corruption is widespread, when billion's turned into Trillions it was bound to go bad. Money corrupts people look at college sports. No oversight no checks and balances, no accountability equals fraud and waste. Dems are killing their brand, meanwhile for once in my lifetime Republicans are acting in best interests of American people. The under 35 crowd is watching closely because they are worried about being burdened by debt.
 
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When Elon/Trump start cutting off the money the polls will change. Its possible they are funded by the DNC. The corruption is widespread, when billion's turned into Trillions it was bound to go bad. Money corrupts people look at college sports. No oversight no checks and balances, no accountability equals fraud and waste. Dems are killing their brand, meanwhile for once in my lifetime Republicans are acting in best interests of American people. The under 35 crowd is watching closely because they are worried about being burdened by debt.
People like him less because of what DOGE is doing, but they just dislike him more in general. This is a guy who had a +26 approval rating in 2016. Now he's underwater by double digits. Spending nearly $300M (that we know of, the number is probably higher) to ensure your very polarizing pick for president wins the big election isn't going to do you any favors with the public either.

Let's drop the charade that this is about cutting waste and fraud - that's just an excuse to gut programs they don't like. It's pure political id. More people are realizing this and it's making the whole thing less popular.


Elon was very mad about this article and started amplifying misleading allegations from trolls that Reuters was corrupt or paid by the government. All very easily debunked with the slightest bit of research. I wonder why the Community Notes feature on Twitter never appears on Elon's tweets to contradict his obvious lies? 🤔

 
https://www.axios.com/2025/02/14/arizona-voters-trump-elon-musk-executive-orders

This focus group paints a different picture.

It may be a charade, but it may also be the thing that resonates with an electorate that has a ridiculously approval rating of politicians in general. DOGE and Musk have gotten an immediate reaction and will continue to post findings on X. If they continue to be acted on (workforce reductions, contract cancellations along with process improvements/automation) it will have a material effect. If that happens, it will turn out to be poor strategy by the Democrats to have resisted.
 
People like him less because of what DOGE is doing, but they just dislike him more in general. This is a guy who had a +26 approval rating in 2016. Now he's underwater by double digits. Spending nearly $300M (that we know of, the number is probably higher) to ensure your very polarizing pick for president wins the big election isn't going to do you any favors with the public either.

Let's drop the charade that this is about cutting waste and fraud - that's just an excuse to gut programs they don't like. It's pure political id. More people are realizing this and it's making the whole thing less popular.


Elon was very mad about this article and started amplifying misleading allegations from trolls that Reuters was corrupt or paid by the government. All very easily debunked with the slightest bit of research. I wonder why the Community Notes feature on Twitter never appears on Elon's tweets to contradict his obvious lies? 🤔

What’s not to like about cutting the Dept. of Education. I started my career as a teacher and have lots of friends who spent their whole life as teachers. Teachers resent the dept. of Education instructing them how to teach and what materials and books they have to use. Before the dept. of Education America was a leader in education. Now trillions of dollars later we are failing but you are Ok with that? People hate so much that their perspective is clouded with doubt. Let’s keep doing the same thing that led to the failure because they are telling us it’s for the kids who are failing. Great concept failing kids equal spend more money. Time will tell the story, if you were not filled with hate and Musk was helping Biden you would be calling him a savior. Democrats are hurting because they were busy checking boxes instead of bringing in smart people.
 
What’s not to like about cutting the Dept. of Education. I started my career as a teacher and have lots of friends who spent their whole life as teachers. Teachers resent the dept. of Education instructing them how to teach and what materials and books they have to use. Before the dept. of Education America was a leader in education. Now trillions of dollars later we are failing but you are Ok with that? People hate so much that their perspective is clouded with doubt. Let’s keep doing the same thing that led to the failure because they are telling us it’s for the kids who are failing. Great concept failing kids equal spend more money. Time will tell the story, if you were not filled with hate and Musk was helping Biden you would be calling him a savior. Democrats are hurting because they were busy checking boxes instead of bringing in smart people.
Same people had no issue when Musk openly supported Obama, when the Obama administration signed the first SpaceX agreement, and when Obama touted EV’s. Dems loved him. In addition to financially supporting Obama, donated to and voted for Hillary Clinton and then voted for Biden in 2020. And not to mention that he paid back a $435 million loan EARLY that he had received from the government on Tesla.

Now he is Hitler and a threat to democracy, Got it.
 
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https://www.axios.com/2025/02/14/arizona-voters-trump-elon-musk-executive-orders

This focus group paints a different picture.

It may be a charade, but it may also be the thing that resonates with an electorate that has a ridiculously approval rating of politicians in general. DOGE and Musk have gotten an immediate reaction and will continue to post findings on X. If they continue to be acted on (workforce reductions, contract cancellations along with process improvements/automation) it will have a material effect. If that happens, it will turn out to be poor strategy by the Democrats to have resisted.

Time will tell of the impact to our deficit/debt and the economy overall but I think it's fair to say those who voted for Trump are getting what they wanted with DOGE.
 
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It is what happens when you have people who are not familiar with government look into things they do not understand. Like I said before, if DOGE identifies potential wastes and fraud, they should put it into a report and send to Congress or the Inspector's General's Office to actually look into it. But instead we have Musk sending off Tweets half baked and maybe he is right and maybe he is wrong about things. But this is not how things should be done. DOGE does not have the expertise nor the power to shut down agencies or cut funding. That power belongs to Congress.
 
It is what happens when you have people who are not familiar with government look into things they do not understand. Like I said before, if DOGE identifies potential wastes and fraud, they should put it into a report and send to Congress or the Inspector's General's Office to actually look into it. But instead we have Musk sending off Tweets half baked and maybe he is right and maybe he is wrong about things. But this is not how things should be done. DOGE does not have the expertise nor the power to shut down agencies or cut funding. That power belongs to Congress.

Agreed. That's how it should be done and they know that. They want to force the courts to intervene so they can attack the "activist" judges.
 
It is what happens when you have people who are not familiar with government look into things they do not understand. Like I said before, if DOGE identifies potential wastes and fraud, they should put it into a report and send to Congress or the Inspector's General's Office to actually look into it. But instead we have Musk sending off Tweets half baked and maybe he is right and maybe he is wrong about things. But this is not how things should be done. DOGE does not have the expertise nor the power to shut down agencies or cut funding. That power belongs to Congress.
That is part of the art and the shock and awe of this...a distraction to see what is happening on world stage and with confirmation hearings
 
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It is what happens when you have people who are not familiar with government look into things they do not understand. Like I said before, if DOGE identifies potential wastes and fraud, they should put it into a report and send to Congress or the Inspector's General's Office to actually look into it. But instead we have Musk sending off Tweets half baked and maybe he is right and maybe he is wrong about things. But this is not how things should be done. DOGE does not have the expertise nor the power to shut down agencies or cut funding. That power belongs to Congress.
There’s a couple of things that are happening here. First part is about the “show”. Using DOGE and Musk to dig in and report information every single day about the waste of government spending. It’s like having a running “chiron” 24/7. And it’s getting the desired effect in the media. Every single day time is devoted on the news. Reinforces the issue that he ran on and distracts from everything else that’s going on. The controversial picks for his cabinet have gotten a little attention in the last month. Putting Musk in charge was brilliant. First of all, he has the credibility and background in driving automation and efficiency. Second, he has name recognition that gets responses from everyone, both positive and negative.

The second part is about saving money and eliminating waste. Trump is taking extreme actions and the courts are stepping in where he crosses the line. That’s how the system is supposed to work. We all know at some point Congress is going to have to approve the vast majority of these cuts or investments to streamline. Heck, there have been programs before like the Grace report that identified waste. We also know that Trump only has two years to get momentum going on this before the midterms. And a lot of this waste will also provide ammunition to get the budget bills through.
 
I don’t remember Clinton getting apoplectic reactions when he cut millions in federal spending.
Uhm, because Clinton wanted cuts and he got Congress to enact those cuts - this is how the Constitution works. You see Trump is eliminating Congress's role. Again, no one is against cutting waste. The process by which it is being done is unconstitutional. Second, what may look like waste is not. Third, whether you like the spending or not, if it was approved by Congress, then only Congress can stop it. This absolute joke of a show by Trump and Musk is nothing for the masses to eat up.
 
Uhm, because Clinton wanted cuts and he got Congress to enact those cuts - this is how the Constitution works. You see Trump is eliminating Congress's role. Again, no one is against cutting waste. The process by which it is being done is unconstitutional. Second, what may look like waste is not. Third, whether you like the spending or not, if it was approved by Congress, then only Congress can stop it. This absolute joke of a show by Trump and Musk is nothing for the masses to eat up.
And the difference when Clinton was President was the Congress would work in a bipartisan way and collaboratively on such issues. That has essentially disappeared. And it happened before Trump.

Trump is going to make the cuts that he’s allowed to do. The courts have already halted or pushed back on a number of his actions. Those will essentially have to go through Congress.

Right now it is a show and it is also accomplishing what it was designed to do. History shows that government is great at scope creep, fraud, and spending money foolishly. There have been programs before as well as cuts. I can’t wait to see them audit all the money that was spent over the past five years through the pandemic. And that’s under Trump and Biden‘s watch. There was so much pork thrown into the stimulus bills that should shine a light on how these elected officials were irresponsible.
 
And the difference when Clinton was President was the Congress would work in a bipartisan way and collaboratively on such issues. That has essentially disappeared. And it happened before Trump.

Trump is going to make the cuts that he’s allowed to do. The courts have already halted or pushed back on a number of his actions. Those will essentially have to go through Congress.

Right now it is a show and it is also accomplishing what it was designed to do. History shows that government is great at scope creep, fraud, and spending money foolishly. There have been programs before as well as cuts. I can’t wait to see them audit all the money that was spent over the past five years through the pandemic. And that’s under Trump and Biden‘s watch. There was so much pork thrown into the stimulus bills that should shine a light on how these elected officials were irresponsible.
And at what costs? How many people are going to be wrongfully out of a job without due process? So you find waste, you destroy the entire agency and fire everyone? People with knowledge and expertise? They are throwing the baby out with the bath water.

And by the way, The Republicans hated Clinton. HE was the enemy. This ridiculous tribalism started with Newt Gingrich during the Clinton Administration. Bill Clinton was extraordinary at putting aside the differences with people who hated him and working with those same people to get things done.

Don't think Democrats would be somehow against cutting waste and fraud. Trump is doing it this way so he can have the Dems look like they are against cutting waste because they will argue against his tactics.
 
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