And for the record, I despise any bias which is why I won't vote for either of these morally bankrupt idiots.
Electoral Future of the Republican Party
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And for the record, I despise any bias which is why I won't vote for either of these morally bankrupt idiots.
Quite frankly, I think MSNBC gets a bad rap due to a couple of it's shows i.e. Rachel Maddox and thankfully the now gone Sharpton. But, I think Morning Joe does a fair and balanced approach to the issues. Joe Scarborough is a conservative Republican from the South. They get great commentators to contribute on the show like Mark Halperin and JOHN Heillman as well as Republican campaign manager for JOHN McCain's run, Steve Schmidt. I like their balanced reporting but they are not afraid to criticize their own party or their own nominees. Far too few shows has the balanced reporting and honesty that that show has.
Ok so we have a current Presidential nominee who's candidacy is affected by claims of sexual harassment from his past. As I recall, Justice Thomas' Supreme Court nomination was very much affected (and almost derailed) by claims of sexual harassment from his past. The parallel is direct and completely relevant to our current situation. Yet you see bias because the report did not fit the world view you prefer.
Ok, keep deflecting...we have a current Presidential nominee and the husband of a Presidential nominee who have both had accusations and in Clinton's case charges of sexual harassment but that's not relevant? It sounds like you don't want it to fit your world.
I never said it wasn't relevant. I am only pointing out that the Thomas comparison is relevant as well. You see it as bias because it is what you want to see.
Once again, why use Thomas in the story and not Clinton? If they had used both, that would have made more sense, but by excluding Clinton given his multiple charges and accusations, it shows CBS' bias.
Progress! So we now agree the Thomas example is relevant. What you are now saying is CBS should always be evenhanded and pick a Republican and a Democratic example. Fair enough although of all the cases of media bias you have picked a weak example.
Do we agree using Justice Thomas as the only example shows CBS' bias in favor of Trump? We now know that Thomas, despite the accusations at the time, was able to have a long, and productive career on the Bench. The underlying argument is elect Trump and you will get the same result.
Do we agree using Justice Thomas as the only example shows CBS' bias in favor of Trump? We now know that Thomas, despite the accusations at the time, was able to have a long, and productive career on the Bench. The underlying argument is elect Trump and you will get the same result.
Using Thomas was not nearly as relevant as using Clinton and to not mention anything about Clinton considering the number of accusations and charges he has had and that he's at the center of the election showed how disingenuous they are.
Rare moment that we agree.
I think cbs missed an opportunity to have a much better discussion on this issue and showed a strong anti-trump bias.
Read his first book when he was in congress, he's changed quite a bit since since signing and selling out to MSNBC.
Frequent; no....more often than rare? yes....lol
Trump is a complete ass and deserves all the criticism he gets, but that piece was a joke.
I am glad Justice Thomas has brought you two together. And they said it couldn't be done!
I'm not sure I agree this report was a case of anti-Trump. Justice Thomas is an American success story. Trump would do well to have a career in public service as distinguished as Thomas'. Bringing Clinton into the discussion only lowers the bar for Trump.
Side note - Bill Clinton is not the center of this election.
I'm not sure I agree this report was a case of anti-Trump. Justice Thomas is an American success story. Trump would do well to have a career in public service as distinguished as Thomas'. Bringing Clinton into the discussion only lowers the bar for Trump.
Side note - Bill Clinton is not the center of this election.
Glad you agree on Thomas. Another travesty though...why is his legacy is completely ignored in the new Smithsonian National Museum of African American Culture, while Anita Hill is prominently covered? No bias there, right?
Arizona, Georgia, Utah?, Missouri?, Texas? & Alaska? all now seem to be within 5 points.
Considered either "lean" or "swing" states with 3 weeks to go.
The question is: Is this a 1 election hiccup or will the 2016 election cause certain groups (suburban women, college educated men and women, millenials) to stay away from the Republicans for multiple cycles?
We know that demographics in Georgia, Arizona and eventually Texas are going to favor Dems. The "browning of America". Asian, Middle Eastern/African & Hispanic immigrations into the US and citizenship of those groups will certainly favor Dems and the 2016 cycle is not helping the Republicans case.
Virginia and colorado seem likely lost to the Republicans demographically. Nevada and Ohio seem to be really split and trending a bit whiter in recent years. Pennsylvania, North Carolina and florida are all pretty split but seem to be slowly trending demographically against Republican electorate. Penn is almost unreachable based on Education levels and it seems NC is heading in that direction too.
We saw what civil rights laws did to Dems in the south for 50-60 years.
Considered either "lean" or "swing" states with 3 weeks to go.
The question is: Is this a 1 election hiccup or will the 2016 election cause certain groups (suburban women, college educated men and women, millenials) to stay away from the Republicans for multiple cycles?
We know that demographics in Georgia, Arizona and eventually Texas are going to favor Dems. The "browning of America". Asian, Middle Eastern/African & Hispanic immigrations into the US and citizenship of those groups will certainly favor Dems and the 2016 cycle is not helping the Republicans case.
Virginia and colorado seem likely lost to the Republicans demographically. Nevada and Ohio seem to be really split and trending a bit whiter in recent years. Pennsylvania, North Carolina and florida are all pretty split but seem to be slowly trending demographically against Republican electorate. Penn is almost unreachable based on Education levels and it seems NC is heading in that direction too.
We saw what civil rights laws did to Dems in the south for 50-60 years.
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Yeah kasich moderate could do it. Not sure if he would be the guy to do it, but someone in his mold. The GOP assessment was that they would need a minimum of 40% of the Hispanic vote to win a general. That's not gonna happen without supporting some form of amnesty which kasich was in favor of. He's also maintained a conservative stance but has been more reasonable on other issues like gay marriage, Obamacare and climate change.
This election is something we hopefully will not see again in our lifetime. What I have seen from Trump in the last few days has got to me big time. His ego is what matters and not the country. His rhetoric is very dangerous about calling this a rigged election, wanting to lock up his opponent and encouraging rebellion in this country.
I have said this months ago, Trump is the worst candidate since Aaron Burr and everyone as Americans must reject this man. This goes beyond Democrats and Republicans. He must be rejected for being unAmerican.
I have said this months ago, Trump is the worst candidate since Aaron Burr and everyone as Americans must reject this man. This goes beyond Democrats and Republicans. He must be rejected for being unAmerican.
Oh stop, you were a Clinton shill since the beginning, that's no secret.
Trump is a horrible candidate and person, couldn't be more wrong for president.
Clinton is equally as horrible a candidate and person. Maybe slightly less icky than Trump but her poor experience and soundless judgement make up for it.
Sounds like good news. I don't know anything about his book, but I do watch morning joe and he always calls out lib guests who he thinks are unfair. I don't watch her, but I hear Maddow is actually pretty fair too.
Morning joe, like Seton75 lol, knew trump was on to something when the primaries started. I think he and mika were reading my posts, but at this time, that is still speculation. Trump was on their show all the time.
I don't know how anyone can watch the talk shows. Life is too short.
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Wow. How anyone can think the two are equivalent is baffling.
Two buffoons not worthy of anyone's support.
One is a liar and corrupt; the other is a liar and corrupt. See how both run their foundations to see how each manages and leads, just terrible.
This is HRC's election to lose at this point, but either way we are left with two horrible options that we will have to live with for the next four years. We are also left with a candidate that will take over the White House with most of the population pretty much hating either one of them.
Spent the day yesterday with our one daughter (27, living in Brooklyn, works in NYC) and a group of her friends (all college degreed, but as diverse as you will find...race, gender, orientation, etc.). The election came up (no surprise) and went around the table on everyone's vote: Trump: 0; Clinton: 2; Write-In: 11 (Bernie 9, Others:2); Stein: 2; Johnson: 0; Sitting it out: 5. I asked who they voted for in 2008 and 2012....2008: Obama 18; Sat it out: 2....2012: Obama 12; Romney: 2; Sat it out: 8.
Obviously a small sample and a group that is definitely liberal in views, but there were several threads I thought were interesting:
* 14 of the 20 were women and except for the 2 that were voting for HRC, the rest pretty much flat out despise her. Disgusted that someone of her character could be the first female President. To summarize the feelings on Trump: He's a clown (felt the same about DiBlasio...lol).
* They were in violent agreement that both parties have lost them. The WikiLeaks drops that showed the DNC was rigging it for HRC has been especially damning in their eyes. Probably the most heated feelings came out of the whole discussion. Felt Bernie got blindsided which explains the write-ins.
* Very disappointed in Obama....it was the first or second Presidential election for all of them in 2008 and they bought into the hype and that we are in worse shape as a country because of him.
Not sure what all this means, but both parties really need to do a little reflection after this election, but I don't expect that to happen.
Spent the day yesterday with our one daughter (27, living in Brooklyn, works in NYC) and a group of her friends (all college degreed, but as diverse as you will find...race, gender, orientation, etc.). The election came up (no surprise) and went around the table on everyone's vote: Trump: 0; Clinton: 2; Write-In: 11 (Bernie 9, Others:2); Stein: 2; Johnson: 0; Sitting it out: 5. I asked who they voted for in 2008 and 2012....2008: Obama 18; Sat it out: 2....2012: Obama 12; Romney: 2; Sat it out: 8.
Obviously a small sample and a group that is definitely liberal in views, but there were several threads I thought were interesting:
* 14 of the 20 were women and except for the 2 that were voting for HRC, the rest pretty much flat out despise her. Disgusted that someone of her character could be the first female President. To summarize the feelings on Trump: He's a clown (felt the same about DiBlasio...lol).
* They were in violent agreement that both parties have lost them. The WikiLeaks drops that showed the DNC was rigging it for HRC has been especially damning in their eyes. Probably the most heated feelings came out of the whole discussion. Felt Bernie got blindsided which explains the write-ins.
* Very disappointed in Obama....it was the first or second Presidential election for all of them in 2008 and they bought into the hype and that we are in worse shape as a country because of him.
Not sure what all this means, but both parties really need to do a little reflection after this election, but I don't expect that to happen.
Clintons foundation does actually do good works. As far as we know, it has not bought a twenty ft tall portrait if bill or hil yet. I don't agree with spk on equating the foundations and agree with cern's point that both may be too flawed, but they are far from equivalent.
lol... what the hell kind of event was that where everyone goes around a table and talks about their voting history. You sound like a hoot at parties.
If they are in NY, their vote really doesn't mean much but it is much easier to have a protest vote in NY than it would be in other parts of the country... and bluntly, I don't believe it. There may be a few "influences" in the group and others are afraid of defending a vote for Hillary... 9 write in votes for Bernie? come on... That is beyond absurd.
Blows my mind that anyone could actually believe that.
By almost every possibly measure we are better off today than at this point in 2008.
It was a brunch so I will admit some alcohol was involved....lol. Don't dismiss the write-ins for Bernie....they had no reason to lie and the disgust for Hillary was worse than even I thought it would be with this age group. They were pissed that she submarined Bernie. The feeling on Obama's failure was pretty much that we wouldn't be here with two awful choices if he had done his job.
Maybe you should read what the MN governor just said about the ACA. "Not affordable" were just two of the words he chose. Wasn't that supposed to be Obama's legacy? I'm going to invoke Seton75 here and say that well before it was passed (by "just sign it, we don't need to read it" Pelosi, and her cronies), I did say it was going to work out poorly. That said, I would grant him an emergency third term, and allow both parties to regroup, go back and find two candidates who aren't complete assholes.
Agree completely, but I'm not ready to say the right corners the market on this nonsense. For every Breitbart, there is a Huffpo or Occupy Democrats.
So we are supposed to judge the last 8 years based on the fact that healthcare premiums have increased? Completely ignore that prior to the ACA insurance premiums were increasing at a faster rate than they were post ACA? Ignore the economy and recovery since the worst economic crisis of the last 80 years? We don't even know the true impact of the ACA as the penalty hit its max this year so any impact on enrollment will likely take place next year. It is too early to judge the ACA. Clearly imperfect but I believe we are better off today than we were 8 years ago with healthcare especially in regards to kids being able to stay on their parents plan until 26 and covering preexisting conditions.
If you think healthcare is in worse shape than it was 8 years ago, that is debatable and certainly a debate worth having.
If you think the country is in worse shape today than it was 8 years ago, then you have forgotten where we were 8 years ago.
Comparing Huffpost to Breitbart is foolish. Huffpost covers the news with a ridiculous lib bias, but what they cover is real news. Occupy Democrats? Never heard of it.
Well, we are still fighting a war on numerous fronts. Relations with Russia have deteriorated to Reagan-era levels. Racial tensions to that of the race riots of '68 (with our first black President!). The economy (always cyclical, folks) is certainly improved. To top it all off, we're staring down the rabbit hole of an election year with a bigger tent over it than any circus in history.
You say it's too early to judge the ACA; having been in the industry for almost 20 years, I respectfully disagree. Again, this was the crown jewel of Obama's achievements. And it's circling the drain, and taking the practice of medicine with it.
Achievements: Bin Laden is dead; 26 year olds, some with jobs and residences, fall under mom and dad's commercial insurance blanket; improved economy, gay marriage. Not in any particular order. He shoots hoops, he knows how to banter, does the talk show circuit well, is intelligent and dignified. The next President will certainly be a huge drop-off from him, personality-wise. His inexperience showed, and I would grade him as very average, as Presidents go.
You could make the argument that we are better off now than in 2008, but aside from the economy, he leaves a lot of unresolved baggage for the next Commander in Chief to work with.
What a coincidence that the worst recovery after a rescission would come after the worst recession... hope your sarcasm detector is on.
No one will argue that the recovery has been slow. Though historically, we are doing well in that we have had continuous growth for a very long period of time. 2%-3% growth is ideal as it is more sustainable in the long term.
Yes it is too soon. It is way to soon and you should know that being in the industry.
Initially the people jumping into the pool were the sick ones driving up the cost. The healthy people stayed away... as the penalties increased healthy people had more incentive to join. Those healthy people who have been ignoring it haven't yet even see the maximum penalty for not having insurance which will occur when they file their 2016 taxes in 2017...this is after the open enrollment period obviously for 2017 so you are looking at 2018 being the first year that many of the healthy population would really start helping in the cost sharing of the plans.
Judging it based on pricing in 2016 is not a good way to judge it.
The shift of these plans towards high deductible options is designed to change the way consumers use healthcare. This stuff doesn't happen overnight. It will take many years before we see impacts on cost and outcomes... but being in the industry... you knew that already.
That's exactly it. According to history, the deeper a recession, the better the recovery. Except under Obama.
Nice vacuum you have there.
This was the worst economic collapse since the great depression, and very difficult to compare to any previous recession. We didn't have an industrial boom to pull us out either... just slow steady real growth. Historically we would have rebounded more quickly but also experienced a contraction by now which we haven't...
fwiw, how was the economy in 37? Booming? Things have changed. Without the manufacturing base that higher cost of business has driven out we are not gonna boom. A Europe decimated by WWII, a backward China and untrusted Japan are far from the comp America of today has to face.
