no argument for any of that. im actually saying if youre going to shakedown rich people more than their fair share, dont give it to the government.
Elizabeth Warren’s Wealth Tax
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Then why not just make a mandatory contribution requirement similar to a required minimum distribution of an IRA. At least let the rich people pick where they want to give it to, whether that be to cancer research, battered women, etc.
So taking 28% of corporate taxes is too much. So Amazon doesn’t benefit a substantial amount from the government? What about all the roads and bridges that Amazon delivery trucks ride on, the airports that deliver products, the electrical grid that powers homes and the ability to get people onto the internet to buy items off Amazon. That all costs a lot of money to maintain and improve.
Perhaps 28% is too much, but with all the loopholes and deductions for corporations, 28% is more than fair.
let’s see there was a time under Bill Clinton that the corporate rate was 35%. Wall St and corporations were doing exceedingly wonderful. The national debt was so low that the national debt turned off. Yet, you think 28% is too much.
Clinton’s numbers benefitted extremely well from some new technology called the Internet. That boom wasn’t going to last forever. The impact of the Clinton policies of moving work to China didn’t take full effect under the Clinton Administration. It’s not as if Clinton put policy in place and the next day everyone moved to China, that took time. I think 1997 and 2021 economic variables are drastically different.
I'm all for Amazon getting tax breaks as they keep people working. However I'm not in favor of the steal of a deal that they get from the USPS
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Again, due to the loop holes, quoting a rate is somewhat meaningless. Was it really 35%? what as the true effective rate?
During that time a heap of money was sheltered off-shore.
For my OP when I stated 28 is too much, I meant that as an actual 28%.
Even my former colleague at UBS Robert Wolf is not in favor of the wealth tax.Robert was a bundler for Obama in 2008and became very friendly with Obama ( playing golf with him in Martha’s Vineyard etc.)He now is a regular contributor on Fox presenting the democratic view ( Fox allows guest who disagree with republican view unlike some other networks)
Ok so they're going to give it to St Jude and cancer research when they know the processed food, especially processed meats, sugar, and chemicals in the food are culprit the whole time? The governments dream is to have a pharmaceutical drug cure cancer so they can keep the money coming in from the food and drug industries instead of telling people the truth about what they know. American Cancer Society, American Diabetes Association, etc go look a who funds their research. The whole system is a joke. You will find cancer and diabetes causing recipes on their websites. I don't want to minimize donating to cancer, but if the government is taking the money, use it solve the problem not to come up with solutions on how to better live with it.
I’ll tell you what....From reading a few of your posts you can’t stand watching Willard coached teams. So this Saturday night go watch a documentary on Amazon prime called what the health and tell me you trust the American Cancer Society, Susan G Komen, American Diabetes Association nutrition advice after watching that. They promote products they know aren’t good for their mission because they get gigantic donations from certain companies. You won’t have to watch Willard on the sidelines AND you will see how our government turns a blind eye to our nutrition and health. Should be a win win for you.
im genuinely curious about it. im a huge supporter of educating people about processed and preserved foods. im on your side.
so i was curious what they were promoting. anything essentially causes cancer these days so ill be the judge of what dietary plan they are promoting.
anything in particular you were refrencing?
How much faith do you have in these organizations coming out and telling us the unbiased truth about chicken when Tyson and Perdue are top sponsors? Follow the money.
I’m not for a vegan diet but give me a clean product to eat. You’ll see how the meat and dairy companies throw tons of money at these organizations where organization leaders don’t want to to talk about a cure but rather how to live with the disease better.
Couldn't it be though, that companies donate to these causes for good PR?
American Cancer society doesn't even list any meat in their recommended diet.
Follow a healthy eating pattern at all ages.
- A healthy eating pattern includes:
- Foods that are high in nutrients in amounts that help you get to and stay at a healthy body weight
- A variety of vegetables – dark green, red and orange, fiber-rich legumes (beans and peas), and others
- Fruits, especially whole fruits in a variety of colors
- Whole grains
Main Dishes | Healthy Recipes
Good health starts with good nutrition. Get started today with some of these healthy recipes for main dishes from our American Cancer Society cookbooks.
www.cancer.org
Oven fried chicken nuggets?
but to get back to the comment of the thread, I prefer people spend their money as best they can as I don’t think our government is any more or less biased than the people whose money they want to take extra from. I’d rather see people use the money for their own personal foundations than giving it to the government.
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Start every morning with a probiotic and smoothie of banana and a green of kale, spinach, or broccoli, and ginger. I don’t always have lunch but I snack on walnuts, pecans, almonds. Other times it’s salad with chicken. Lunch and dinner are interchangeable with rice, beans, sweet potatoes, Brussels sprouts, fish, chicken cultets, some pasta, sushi. I can’t have much dairy, but I’ll occasionally have a slice of pizza, burger, or wings. That’s infrequent. After a workout I love smoothies with banana, almond butter, almond milk, and cacao powder. I try to eat meat at only one meal per day. I’m not perfect but I’m aware and make up for it the next day when I need to.
99% of those recipes are really healthy. that recipe is for kids, which arent going to eat beet kale salads. the "oven fried" is in quotes, because its a much healthier alternative to real fried food. and clearly theyre promoting it that way.Main Dishes | Healthy Recipes
Good health starts with good nutrition. Get started today with some of these healthy recipes for main dishes from our American Cancer Society cookbooks.
Oven fried chicken nuggets?
but to get back to the comment of the thread, I prefer people spend their money as best they can as I don’t think our government is any more or less biased than the people whose money they want to take extra from. I’d rather see people use the money for their own personal foundations than giving it to the government.
now, the melba toast is processed. if they wanted to be super healthy they would use whole wheat flour or crushed puff rice as bread crumbs. good luck getting a kid to eat any part of my, and presumeably your diet.
the other issue is that eating super healthy with alternative ingredients is insanely expensive, extremely time consuming, and straight up difficult to find ingredients sometimes. you know what families affected by cancer dont have? money or time.
its a giant cyclical problem, but i believe you took so long posting that info because it looks like complete nonsense. and this is coming from someone who actually believes half the world wants you to be sick and stay sick.
Watch the film....I’ll bet you second guess that those are healthy. Took so long? Yeah I don’t check this every 10 seconds.
Interesting...i had a self intervention 6 weeks ago, beef and pork has not been consumed since
My breakfasts have been banana with oat bran hot cereal or raisin bran/kashi cereal with fairlife whole milk, been eating salad kits for lunch with blue corn tortilla chips and a chicken or fish at night with mixed veg/wildrice mix....granola bars and figs or dates as snacks, drinking infused water and a lot of it and tea....i also did a week of morning hot steeped water with tumeric, cinnamon, cayenne, ginger root, half a lemon and 4 boiled garlic gloves before having breakfast and then would eat the garlic and lemon flesh...i also sometimes have coconut milk based yogurt with wheat germ sprinkled on...i made baked wonton skins and have them occasionally with hummus or salsa/guac mix...btw a great meal substitute is boiled sweet potatoe, quinoa and avacado corn tortillas
There’s a ton of research out there. Watch it. Form your own opinion. Whole milk and yogurt aren’t for me. They might work for you. Take the time to do the research it may be the best couple hours you spend. What the health, Diet Fiction, Fed Up, are just a few documentaries I enjoyed. My favorite though is Supersize Me 2.
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you answered me twice without posting it. in fact you didnt even respond to me posting it at all. you sent it to merge. i maintain everything i said about their recipe.
i know whats healthy i dont need a film to tell me that. but it sounds like id enjoy the film regardless.
I can no longer tolerate lactose so that is why i went to Fairlife and now another lactose free cow milk on market good mood. I have had oat milk and ripple in the last as well. I no longer consume any ice cream made from cow or soft cheeses. I am seeking for plant based alternatives and ways to involve more plant based protein in my diet. I occasionally will make grit/polenta cakes or logs with a Sautee of onions and mushrooms and vegetable stock.
I recently made a chicken soup with thighs, mixed root veg, corn and peas. That kept for a week.
I want to experiment in making a legume free vegetable patty recipe with hemp and tvp in the spring.
You know all and there’s no one in the world you can learn from. Sounds ignorant to me but I like to keep an open mind. I didn’t know that saturated fat is worse for diabetes than sugar. Beef tends to be 40% saturated fat and chicken tends to be 30% making both worse for diabetics than sugar alone. I never saw how chickens were raised. I didn’t know how many chickens die of heart attacks from their terrible grain diet. I wasn’t as blessed with this knowledge.
how do you explain for the first time in history with medicine at an all time high, average life span now going down?
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sugar is like the 3rd/4th worse thing diabetics should be worried about.
listen im on your side. youre not even getting into processed or preserved foods. acidwashed foods. etc. our chickens are pumped to the brim with growth hormones a breast is the size of my head.
when youre a mother of 4 and a family size pack of chicken is under $2 a lb what are you gonna do? its sad.
talk about the divide between rich and poor. rich can afford to eat healthy and clean and it keeps the poor people eating poorly and getting sick.
personal accountability is the biggest factor up to a point , then its out of a persons control.
And the government knows this and ignores it. Back to my original point. Knowing all that, you trust them to spend rich people’s money on good charities when they let this go?
at the same time all of those chickens pumped with hormones are on the diet list and you see little to no problem with that? About 30-40% of those recipes contain chicken. That doesn’t sound healthy for cancer to me.
i never gave any logistics uf the govt should be in charge of choosing charities. hell set up parametrs in a smart contract and take the gov out of the equation.
theres nothing innately bad about chicken. its a lean meat, one of the better ones. theres a lot of benefits children get from chicken/animal meat. especially when growing. whats your solution, tell a kid with cancer to go vegitarian??
hell just tell em not to eat!
If the proof is there, yeah I’d tell a kid he’s gotta eat vegan to cure his cancer. Keep eating chicken loaded with hormones and injected with sodium doesn’t work. We have so many kids who can’t eat peanuts, soy, gluten, dairy, what’s so bad about adding meat to that list?
kids follow their parents in so many ways. If the parents eat a ton of veggies most likely so will their kids. I know plenty of children under 5 who have a green smoothie or green juice daily. If they’re raised on it and their parents lead by example it works.
haha you want kids to eat nothing? btw vegan is a terrible diet for a growing child. sure they can like veggies, typically they dont, but they need meat.
youre not realizing the solution isnt so. you cant feed a kid only grass.
Cant it work the other way too? Grew up in a house where there were 2 liters of soft drinks and brewed coffee, i stopped drinking soft drinks around 21 or 22 and rarely have coffee and when i do its decaf
You can eat plant based and be as nourished as someone who has beef and pork in a diet
I would never condone a life long vegan diet, but if you could do that for a year to cure a childs or anyone's cancer. I would do it in a heartbeat.
I'm willing to bet your grandparents and great grandparents ate veggies without a problem. Sure I'll bet there were some they didn't like, but for the most part they ate them. It's only in the last 75 years or so that crap is on the shelves everywhere and people have the means to pay for it. Growing up dessert for my grandmother was a piece of bread with a little bit of sugar on it, not 2 scoops with hot fudge and extra sprinkles. So much of what they ate came from my great grandfathers garden. Thousands and thousands of years, kids didn't grow up on chicken nuggets twice a day, now you have me telling kids not to eat. LMAO
Hate to be a pain, but seriously, can you speak to this a little more? You seem to be implying this is related to food?
Has there been a change in the death rate from diet related disease?
were talking about removing chicken not beef/pork but i also disagree on this wither way. dont put a growing kid on a vegan diet.
I believe so but it doesn't get categorized by food. Hamburger laws don't allow people to identify food as a liability for their conditions. What else could cause it? Drugs and stress? People have always had stress. Is it just drughs or the worst genetics in human history? I know people aren't randomly walking in front of buses at 55 as the cause of shorter lifespan and I know people are sicker than ever before.
But there should be something like deaths from heart disease or diabetes being up though, right?
I haven't looked into this, but I thought the rate of heart disease deaths for example was generally on the decline? Also believe I read something on this board actually that suicide rates and drug overdoses were responsible for the change in life expectancy?
if you wanna be really woke youd realize the cancer rate started rising in the 70s, specifically GI related cancers (where you put your food down). just so happens its the same time government implemented acid wash law to all non fresh food. however, it was originally passed with good intentions on food preservation.
im not sure if there are more sick people soley because of your reasoning. thats too simple. for instance, weve gotten much better at keeping sick people alive.
back in the day if you were sick with anything, had any kind of unjury, you died.
i also believe stress is much worse. due to technology. technology has essentially nuked stress levels. similar to the cotton gin idea. now information, expectations, and availability is always on. we have work sitting in our pockets, people glued to social media (enemy #1), jobs being automated, tasks being completed in 1 min instead of 1 week.
i think its wrong to dismiss it.
shhh let him have his east answer to a complicated solution. he is partially on to something
