Fan safety during COVID

[BILL BELFER]

I hope things are being worked out for fan safety beginning the late fall season.
May i suggest that those of us in the high risk group be given particular regard.
One thought that i had, if we are not able to keep our prefered assigned seats of former seasons, is to allow us to sit in the upper most teirs with based on the usual criteria as down below . Since the Pru accomodates 40-50% more than normal attendance, perhaps the facility would work for us. Perhaps after the safe vaccine innoculation period protects us we could move back to our season ticket holder seats. I love my Pirate basketball season and don't want to miss any of it even if i need to bring my binoculars and air tank (and mask and gloves)

 

[NYShoreGuy]

I hope things are being worked out for fan safety beginning the late fall season.
May i suggest that those of us in the high risk group be given particular regard.
One thought that i had, if we are not able to keep our prefered assigned seats of former seasons, is to allow us to sit in the upper most teirs with based on the usual criteria as down below . Since the Pru accomodates 40-50% more than normal attendance, perhaps the facility would work for us. Perhaps after the safe vaccine innoculation period protects us we could move back to our season ticket holder seats. I love my Pirate basketball season and don't want to miss any of it even if i need to bring my binoculars and air tank (and mask and gloves)

Heard Hall85 is sponsoring a snowflake section that comes with complimentary gloves, face guards and masks with replacement filters

 

[SPK145]

I hope things are being worked out for fan safety beginning the late fall season.
May i suggest that those of us in the high risk group be given particular regard.
One thought that i had, if we are not able to keep our prefered assigned seats of former seasons, is to allow us to sit in the upper most teirs with based on the usual criteria as down below . Since the Pru accomodates 40-50% more than normal attendance, perhaps the facility would work for us. Perhaps after the safe vaccine innoculation period protects us we could move back to our season ticket holder seats. I love my Pirate basketball season and don't want to miss any of it even if i need to bring my binoculars and air tank (and mask and gloves)

Makes sense but comes with a cost. Who bears that?

 

[BILL BELFER]

Makes sense but comes with a cost. Who bears that?

Why do you think that there will be extra costs? We'ed be in the nose bleed tiers. Besides, the bar/food area is so damn far to get to, the tickets should be cheaper!

 

[BILL BELFER]

Heard Hall85 is sponsoring a snowflake section that comes with complimentary gloves, face guards and masks with replacement filters

Not interested if they are made in China. From now on I don't even trust vitamins which are made in China.

 

[SPK145]

Why do you think that there will be extra costs? We'ed be in the nose bleed tiers. Besides, the bar/food area is so damn far to get to, the tickets should be cheaper!

It costs to open the upper tier. Personnel, etc.

 

[General_Tso]

All of our games will be played in Walsh with no fans.

if the NBAPA is talking about no fans in 20-21 the NCAA will follow.

 

[lloyde dobler]

It costs to open the upper tier. Personnel, etc.

If they spread the personnel around somewhat similar to spreading out the fans, the costs might be lower. How much lower, who knows.

 

[CBBfan13]

All of our games will be played in Walsh with no fans.

if the NBAPA is talking about no fans in 20-21 the NCAA will follow.

If that were to happen I would feel really bad for Aiken in particular. One of the main reason he came to the hall is so his friends and family could come to his games in person.

 

[BILL BELFER]

It costs to open the upper tier. Personnel, etc.

As opposed to losing ticket sales?

 

[Seton75]

I think if I am high risk, I have to pay more attn to my family and life than even the mighty mighty seton hall Pirates...and stay home

 

[Piratz]

All of our games will be played in Walsh with no fans.

if the NBAPA is talking about no fans in 20-21 the NCAA will follow.

Have a bad feeling this is what will happen as they’ll need to put this contingency plan in place before the green light for fans.

This whole situation has been so badly botched by our Government.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Have a bad feeling this is what will happen as they’ll need to put this contingency plan in place before the green light for fans.

This whole situation has been so badly botched by our Government.

Have you seen numbers recently in states that are in advanced stages of normalcy?

Or the many student athletes that are back on campuses who have tested positive?

 

[HALL85]

Hospital capacity will likely drive any restrictions, then it will be up to the individual to manage their personal risk. By October there will be multiple therapies available for wider use and we will know a lot more about the disease as well. I’m at an elevated risk (age) but no comorbidities. I’d opt to go as of now.

 

[ed odowd]

Hopefully by the time conference games start we will have co I’d fear gone or greatly
decreased.Italy showing almost no new cases and we are a few months behind them.

 

[HallPirate]

While people may have to weigh person risk, brands and properties will also have to manage their liability and potential damage in being associated with a cluster.

ultimately, it will be up to each municipality or the governing body whether that’s the NCAA or nhl, nba, etc. The professional leagues demonstrated early on a preference to let each municipality figure it out, but based on public backlash intervened.

Expect extreme caution.

 

[jcalz88]

Memphis is only having season ticket holders no individual ticket purchases

 

[BayonneRay]

Not interested if they are made in China. From now on I don't even trust vitamins which are made in China.

And don’t trust any generic prescription drugs because of where they are made(China). If you want to stay healthy, take the name brand. Be safe

 

[shu09]

Have a bad feeling this is what will happen as they’ll need to put this contingency plan in place before the green light for fans.

This whole situation has been so badly botched by our Government.

I don't think it has been botched. I think it has been a giant overreaction both by government and the business world, but especially by the business world.

 

[Halldan1]

This will be a question asked of Pat Lyons.

 

[setoniansource]

I don't think it has been botched. I think it has been a giant overreaction both by government and the business world, but especially by the business world.

Interested in how you think the business world has botched this? Seems to me most businesses haven’t had any say as the government has dictated closings.

 

[STLPirate12]

If they spread the personnel around somewhat similar to spreading out the fans, the costs might be lower. How much lower, who knows.

Definitely won't be lower - there's a significant cost just to open the upper level. Utility costs, staffing (extra security & ushers), they'll have to open and staff some extra vendors and not insignificantly - it pretty much doubles the amount of space they'll need to clean (likely more thoroughly than in the past) after the event.

That's not to say it isn't an option - they'll just have to see if the number of tickets they'd have to sell up there (& at what price) to cover it is reasonably attainable.

Source - I've done this whole analysis for the arena I work at regarding hosting a cbb event in the past.

 

[TrueBlue1989]

Definitely won't be lower - there's a significant cost just to open the upper level. Utility costs, staffing (extra security & ushers), they'll have to open and staff some extra vendors and not insignificantly - it pretty much doubles the amount of space they'll need to clean (likely more thoroughly than in the past) after the event.

That's not to say it isn't an option - they'll just have to see if the number of tickets they'd have to sell up there (& at what price) to cover it is reasonably attainable.

Source - I've done this whole analysis for the arena I work at regarding hosting a cbb event in the past.

No chance costs are lower by opening the top. Nonsense.

 

[lloyde dobler]

I stated that the wrong way - I said lower meaning that it would still cost more overall, but maybe not as much as it would normally be to raise the curtain.

 

[STLPirate12]

Ah, okay. It may be a little cheaper than usual because, for instance, they could get away with opening fewer concession stands and hopefully pass that savings on to us - but will those savings already be offset by the likely higher COVID-19 cleaning costs? Could they get away with fewer ushers and security? Sure there's fewer people but the amount of space to be covered stays the same and that needs to be a reasonable per-person amount. Plus - if they want to be serious about enforcing social distancing and not letting people move around (as there would be plenty of empty seats to move to), that's a bad place to cut. Utility costs obviously are what they are and don't change.

Perhaps there's something I'm not thinking of, but in my experience the cost of opening the upper level isn't heavily tied to the number of people sitting there, so I think it would mostly be down to the Pru's willingness to be charitable and eat into some of the markup I assume they normally charge us above cost.

As far as a pitch to get them to do that? Some money is better than no money? Provide some value to their sponsors who have signage up there getting no eyeballs (not that 5k fans at 14 SHU games would get them anywhere near their normal numbers)?

 

[shu09]

Interested in how you think the business world has botched this? Seems to me most businesses haven’t had any say as the government has dictated closings.

How many commercials have you seen with the "we're all in this together" crap from big corporations? I am amazed how the business community just sat there and took these oppressive government regulations and accepted the mainstream line without fighting back.

 

[Hall Is Life]

First game at the Rock is roughly 5 months away. My (incredibly optimistic) prediction is it’ll be a full go. No restrictions as we will have a lot more knowledge of the virus. We also will have some sports before us to watch and learn from. Curious to see how the NFL will open up, albeit majority outdoors. Hopefully the NBA will work it out and open up as that will be a great way for Seton Hall and the rest of the NCAA to learn how to go about this. My true feelings and probably unpopular opinion— as long as the coaches and players are all comfortable with playing in front of fans, you as a fan are on your own. Choose to go or don’t.

 

[SHU AL 84]

Anyone who thinks this is an overreaction needs to talk to a family who lost someone and could not be with them at the end. We had extreme restrictions and we still lost over 100k people. I maybe missed 10 hone games in the last 30 years. If we have to miss a few this year we will all survive. Everyone needs to look at there situation and not make sweeping decisions for everyone. Seton Hall taught us to think about others, it’s not just about basketball.

 

[shu09]

Anyone who thinks this is an overreaction needs to talk to a family who lost someone and could not be with them at the end. We had extreme restrictions and we still lost over 100k people. I maybe missed 10 hone games in the last 30 years. If we have to miss a few this year we will all survive. Everyone needs to look at there situation and not make sweeping decisions for everyone. Seton Hall taught us to think about others, it’s not just about basketball.

I think the restrictions were a severe overreaction to a virus that isn't deadly for the vast majority of the population. For those who it affected terribly, the fact that those people could not be with their loved ones at the end is borderline criminal.

This is an exercise in control and manipulation, not in public health.

 

[Halldan1]

Frat brother of Harty9 and mine just died from the virus this past week. Was in the hospital, felt better and was released. Days later he died.

 

[HALL85]

This is now about personal responsibility. You shouldn’t drive a car when you’ve had too much to drink; take illegal drugs; or drive over 100 mph. You risk your life as well as others.

Same with COVID. If you’re compromised or have comorbitities, you may want to be more cautious in how quickly you fully engage.

 

[mbraue]

Frat brother of Harty9 and mine just died from the virus this past week. Was in the hospital, felt better and was released. Days later he died.

Yes, my cousin’s brother-in-law - Notre Dame and SHU law School grad - gravely I’ll on respirator until recently. Guy in his 50s and the picture of health. If it wasn’t for Remdesivir he would not be alive. Still trying to get the tracheostomy reversed.

 

[sami]

And yes, my roommate’s dad passed and was otherwise not unhealthy. As a financial advisor and father of a child with poor lungs I struggle daily between open it all and hide. I want the economy back, I don’t want to lose people needlessly.

 

[Halldan1]

C'mon guys. Can't we have a conversation/debate without a name calling pissing match?

I will be deleting any name calling posts first thing in the morning.

 

[radecicco]

This is now about personal responsibility. You shouldn’t drive a car when you’ve had too much to drink; take illegal drugs; or drive over 100 mph. You risk your life as well as others.

Same with COVID. If you’re compromised or have comorbitities, you may want to be more cautious in how quickly you fully engage.

Agree totally. Frankly with the raise in new cases and hospitalizations, even people who are assumed to be at less risk may want to reevaluate that assumption.

 

[itsacurse]

I think the restrictions were a severe overreaction to a virus that isn't deadly for the vast majority of the population. For those who it affected terribly, the fact that those people could not be with their loved ones at the end is borderline criminal.

This is an exercise in control and manipulation, not in public health.

i'm curious as to the number of american deaths that would make this not an overreaction

 

[HALL85]

i'm curious as to the number of american deaths that would make this not an overreaction

The lockdown was never about the number of preventable deaths.

 

[itsacurse]

The lockdown was never about the number of preventable deaths.

the lockdown was about making sure hospitals didn't fill up with covid cases, meaning anyone who had a heart attack or stroke would die because they couldn't get the care they need. so, yeah it was man, sorry

 

[HALL85]

the lockdown was about making sure hospitals didn't fill up with covid cases, meaning anyone who had a heart attack or stroke would die because they couldn't get the care they need. so, yeah it was man, sorry

I meant COVID deaths. And as it turned out, they did overshoot the capacity number as very few hospitals got close to being stressed.

 

[itsacurse]

I meant COVID deaths.

then you don't understand the point of the lockdown. it's about the entire healthcare system. if a hospital gets overwhelmed with covid cases because we didn't lock down, and then you go into cardiac arrest, you're screwed. it doesn't matter that you don't have covid. that's the whole point