Fire Sha! Fire Felt! Fire Lyons!

[Piratz]

The one line in here that worries me is “takes humility” .. not sure if Sha is able to put his ego and pride away and listen to others for the betterment of the program

Yes, impossible to answer this unless you’re him or close to him. All I know is he does love The Hall and wants to do well badly. This is his first real problem as a head coach, we’ll see how he handles it. There are countless of examples of coaches who change and adapt; heck, we went through that with our previous HC who then strung together a really good level consistently.

When you have the type of performance we’re having this year, you can’t maintain the status quo anywhere. Something is very wrong somewhere to fall into this level of awful on the court.

 

[batts]

With the combination of miserable people who relish in negativity, coupled with a few trolls, this Board is fast becoming unreadable. Does Sha deserve some criticism? Hell Yes, but to post that he should be fired is ludicrous, particularly since a major part of the problem is the lack of a strong NIL budget to procure higher ranked transfers.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

Can anyone identify for me one tangible coaching skill Sha possesses?

 

[Gohall129]

Guess that's why Pitino opted out.
For perspective, we were picked 7th in the BE last year, so NIT seemed like the ceiling per the head coaches. But let's diminish 13/24 wins (and the SPU Elite 8 run) because we're petulant children.

Pitino opted out and focused 100% of the efforts on recruiting. Budget differences aside, I think there’s something valuable in that approach moving forward

 

[batts]

Can anyone identify for me one tangible coaching skill Sha possesses?

Sigh . . .

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

Sigh . . .

Seriously. If it’s so obvious just tell me. The silence here is deafening.

One day I suspect we will be talking about Sha’s Elite Eight run like Bobby G’s win over Florida…

 

[radecicco]

Seriously. If it’s so obvious just tell me. The silence here is deafening.

One day I suspect we will be talking about Sha’s Elite Eight run like Bobby G’s win over Florida…

Ludicrous to even compare the two: a first round upset compared to getting to the elite 8. Geez.

 

[hallgrad80]

Hiring a former legendary player as the head coach at his former school doesn’t always wind up with a happy ending nor does it come with success on the court as we saw with Mullin at SJU, Ewing at GT and to a certain extent Ollie at UConn over how much was owed to him after his dismissal. If Sha were to be let go it could get very contentious.

 

[HALL85]

Seriously. If it’s so obvious just tell me. The silence here is deafening.

One day I suspect we will be talking about Sha’s Elite Eight run like Bobby G’s win over Florida…

Seriously, explain to me what justifies firing a coach after less than a half of a bad season?

 

[SHUSource]

Seriously, explain to me what justifies firing a coach after less than a half of a bad season?

This should've been the second and last post on the thread.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

Seriously, explain to me what justifies firing a coach after less than a half of a bad season?

Been explained multiple times in this thread. Check out the excellent analysis by @Hall Is Life, for example.

What I haven’t heard is any cogent explanation of what Sha actually does well as a coach.

 

[Hall Is Life]

A post like this halfway through one horrendous season certainly highlights your lack of the same.

Are you Sha’s burner account? Awfully defensive of a guy rivaling Ewing’s historically bad Georgetown team and every DePaul team in recent memory.

 

[HALL85]

Been explained multiple times in this thread. Check out the excellent analysis by @Hall Is Life, for example.

What I haven’t heard is any cogent explanation of what Sha actually does well as a coach.

He has a lifetime winning record (.541), so he must be doing something right. I would love to do your performance review…lol

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

He has a lifetime winning record (.541), so he must be doing something right. I would love to do your performance review…lol

Bobby G has a lifetime winning record of .589. Good coach—better than Sha even—but your extremely dumb logic?

 

[HALL85]

Bobby G has a lifetime winning record of .589. Good coach—better than Sha even—but your extremely dumb logic?

And Bobby would still be coaching here if he didn’t self-destruct. Try harder.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Are you Sha’s burner account? Awfully defensive of a guy rivaling Ewing’s historically bad Georgetown team and every DePaul team in recent memory.

You got me. I'm Felt, no I'm Sha, no I'm a boomer. Even to date, he doesn't come close to rivaling any 3 year span of Depaul's or the entirety of Ewing's tenure. To suggest as much is foolish, but you're a moron, so there you go.

 

[Hall Is Life]

You got me. I'm Felt, no I'm Sha, no I'm a boomer. Even to date, he doesn't come close to rivaling any 3 year span of Depaul's or the entirety of Ewing's tenure. To suggest as much is foolish, but you're a moron, so there you go.

Real nice! How many more temper tantrums and losing seasons until we’re both morons together? Or is the bar set so low that missing the tournament but finishing with a winning record constitutes as a winning season? I’m sorry I struck a nerve, Coach Holloway.

 

[SHUSA]

Real nice! How many more temper tantrums and losing seasons until we’re both morons together? Or is the bar set so low that missing the tournament but finishing with a winning record constitutes as a winning season? I’m sorry I struck a nerve, Coach Holloway.

one of the best records in shu history isn't a winning season???

 

[shu09]

The angry denialism from some of the veteran posters on here is, let's just say, interesting. Don't worry, they'll come around to it in a few years after it's obvious.

 

[newshu1]

Hiring a former legendary player as the head coach at his former school doesn’t always wind up with a happy ending nor does it come with success on the court as we saw with Mullin at SJU, Ewing at GT and to a certain extent Ollie at UConn over how much was owed to him after his dismissal. If Sha were to be let go it could get very contentious.

Only Happy Ending this year will be at West Gardens

 

[SPK145]

The angry denialism from some of the veteran posters on here is, let's just say, interesting. Don't worry, they'll come around to it in a few years after it's obvious.

Right now it's a 1-year downturn. And it's bad. If it becomes more next year then a different conversation has to be had but this notion that he should be on the hot seat is ridiculous. There isn't even a seat.

And if you unwilling to say that last year was good even without an NCAA berth, I just think that is wrong.

 

[shu09]

Right now it's a 1-year downturn. And it's bad. If it becomes more next year then a different conversation has to be had but this notion that he should be on the hot seat is ridiculous. There isn't even a seat.

And if you unwilling to say that last year was good even without an NCAA berth, I just think that is wrong.

I agree, there's no hot seat now. But I see what this is turning into. Some others can't, that's fine.

 

[radecicco]

Let’s get a student senate resolution to fire Holloway! And apparently we have a modern day Nostradamus in our ranks.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

142 posts in and not a single person has identified any coaching area in which Sha excels…

 

[Halldan1]

Holloway is noted as an exceptional recruiter. Able to talk to players, their families and their advisors.

Years ago when he was an assistant PirateSal and I saw him seated at the Rec Center talking to Carrington's mother. And it was Sha that 100% brought Carrington aboard. We could not believe the rapport they had. Laughing, joking, cursing at each other criticizing how neither helped the program. I never saw a coach ever have that kind of relationship with a player's mother. But that's how he is, real while being able to communicate as per the personality of the person he is talking to.

NIL and free agency has affected him more than most because of SHU's economic situation.

That said, it's a problem he has to face moving forward to succeed in South Orange.

On the court and in practice he is as intense as is his rep. If you want to become a better player he is the right coach for you if you can handle his intensity.

Defensively I think he is an excellent coach, but it's on the other side of the ball where I see him as deficient. That and he must do a better job with the media. His strive for perfection often blinds him from dealing with them properly.

There's my honest answer to your question. Nothing, especially in the short term is all bad, nor is it seldom all good.

 

[Hall Is Life]

Some coaches are better assistants than they are head coaches. How many great football coordinators are better focusing on one side of the ball rather than running the whole show? Maybe Sha should be relegated to lead recruiter/top assistant and let him do what he’s best at. His in-game coaching hasn’t improved over his three years here and nothing leads me to believe he will ever figure it out.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

Holloway is noted as an exceptional recruiter. Able to talk to players, their families and their advisors.

Years ago when he was an assistant PirateSal and I saw him seated at the Rec Center talking to Carrington's mother. And it was Sha that 100% brought Carrington aboard. We could not believe the rapport they had. Laughing, joking, cursing at each other criticizing how neither helped the program. I never saw a coach ever have that kind of relationship with a player's mother. But that's how he is, real while being able to communicate as per the personality of the person he is talking to.

NIL and free agency has affected him more than most because of SHU's economic situation.

That said, it's a problem he has to face moving forward to succeed in South Orange.

On the court and in practice he is as intense as is his rep. If you want to become a better player he is the right coach for you if you can handle his intensity.

Defensively I think he is an excellent coach, but it's on the other side of the ball where I see him as deficient. That and he must do a better job with the media. His strive for perfection often blinds him from dealing with them properly.

There's my honest answer to your question. Nothing, especially in the short term is all bad, nor is it seldom all good.

Noted by whom as an "exceptional recruiter"? According to @williaza01 he connects with parents but not the modern-day player. Between that, and NIL, it seems like any competitive advantage he might have had has dissipated in today's game. Not to mention it doesn't matter how good you recruit if you're recruiting the wrong players--and his record on that score this year, at least, is not very reassuring. (It should also be noted his recruiting tactics once got us sanctioned!)

Relatedly, you say IF you "can handle his intensity" he can help you become a better player. How many players in today's game can do that? Plenty of coaches--including Willard-- manage to coach players up without alienating a large fraction of them. So not many points to award in this category either.

And many coaches could be excellent defensive coaches--accepting your characterization as true--if they completely abandoned the other end of the court. Again, this seems like a handicap, not a virtue.

 

[SPK145]

I agree, there's no hot seat now. But I see what this is turning into. Some others can't, that's fine.

You and I both thought Willard was a failure after his 3rd season, how did that turn out?

I've known Sha since he was 16, he's is one of us and deserves at least as much time as others.

Many will claim NIL and transfer portal makes this different and harder. It does. To me, it also means I care a lot less than I used to. Combined with who Sha is, this whole "sky-is-falling" mentality doesn't resonate with me.

 

[Halldan1]

Noted by whom as an "exceptional recruiter"? According to @williaza01 he connects with parents but not the modern-day player. Between that, and NIL, it seems like any competitive advantage he might have had has dissipated in today's game. Not to mention it doesn't matter how good you recruit if you're recruiting the wrong players--and his record on that score this year, at least, is not very reassuring. (It should also be noted his recruiting tactics once got us sanctioned!)

Relatedly, you say IF you "can handle his intensity" he can help you become a better player. How many players in today's game can do that? Plenty of coaches--including Willard-- manage to coach players up without alienating a large fraction of them. So not many points to award in this category either.

And many coaches could be excellent defensive coaches--accepting your characterization as true--if they completely abandoned the other end of the court. Again, this seems like a handicap, not a virtue.

For anyone to be considered having a reasonable opinion it should never be communicated as no positives and just negatives.

The title of this post is to fire everyone. Lyons, second to the president in his position. The AD and the head coach. And if memory serves the BOR as well on other threads. Highly educated men who give at no pay an unbelieve amount of time to the school while donating millions of dollars a year to SHU. All from afar with no inside information. It's comments like that that cannot be taken seriously.

Everything at SHU right now is not rosy and maybe down the road someone will pay the price. But currently no one deserves to be fired.

 

[SHUSA]

142 posts in and not a single person has identified any coaching area in which Sha excels…

he excels in winning in the ncaa tournament. something we haven't had since the 80s

what you meant is nobody has named one coach that would be a remotely better replacement.

 

[Hall Is Life]

he excels in winning in the ncaa tournament. something we haven't had since the 80s

what you meant is nobody has named one coach that would be a remotely better replacement.

Small sample size out of a one bid league. Would love to see him get another crack to build on that success here. 0-2 in the Big East Tournament btw.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

For anyone to be considered having a reasonable opinion it should never be communicated as no positives and just negatives.

The title of this post is to fire everyone. Lyons, second to the president in his position. The AD and the head coach. And if memory serves the BOR as well on other threads. Highly educated men who give at no pay an unbelieve amount of time for the school while donating millions of dollars a year to SHU. All from afar with no inside information. It's comments like that that cannot be taken seriously.

Everything at SHU right now is not all rosy and maybe down the road someone will pay the price. But right now no one deserves to be fired.

Do you believe the Board of Regents properly handled the situation at the law school and ex-President Nyre? That alone seems like grounds for dismissal. And now they’ve botched hiring of new prez to boot.

 

[Halldan1]

There is much more you do not know with Reilly. The school cannot comment right now as there is possible litigation involved.

Until that comes out we should all wait to voice our opinion.

There's a link re Nyre that is of interest. I'll try to find it.

 

[hallstorm]

What’s silly is having posters ask for redeeming qualities of a coach after a SHU - level success their first year and better success their second year.

It’s the same posters who “like” each other’s posts to blast Sha. That’s easy to do.

Then they go on to have revisionist history with past coaches and completely forget about struggles and frustrations with them.

It’s okay to both have frustrations with this season and acknowledge past success at the same time.

It’s sad that needs to be explained to adult posters.

 

[SHUSA]

Small sample size out of a one bid league. Would love to see him get another crack to build on that success here. 0-2 in the Big East Tournament btw.

lmao!!!

 

[williaza01]

Holloway is noted as an exceptional recruiter. Able to talk to players, their families and their advisors.

Years ago when he was an assistant PirateSal and I saw him seated at the Rec Center talking to Carrington's mother. And it was Sha that 100% brought Carrington aboard. We could not believe the rapport they had. Laughing, joking, cursing at each other criticizing how neither helped the program. I never saw a coach ever have that kind of relationship with a player's mother. But that's how he is, real while being able to communicate as per the personality of the person he is talking to.

NIL and free agency has affected him more than most because of SHU's economic situation.

That said, it's a problem he has to face moving forward to succeed in South Orange.

On the court and in practice he is as intense as is his rep. If you want to become a better player he is the right coach for you if you can handle his intensity.

Defensively I think he is an excellent coach, but it's on the other side of the ball where I see him as deficient. That and he must do a better job with the media. His strive for perfection often blinds him from dealing with them properly.

There's my honest answer to your question. Nothing, especially in the short term is all bad, nor is it seldom all good.

I’m not starting arguments and I defer to you because you have way more knowledge of this issue than me

But IMO talking to 3 kids he directly recruited (1 at St. Peter’s and 2 at SHU) I really disagree with this statement

Parents absolutely love him…

 

[Bud Boomer]

I’m not starting arguments and I defer to you because you have way more knowledge of this issue than me

But IMO talking to 3 kids he directly recruited (1 at St. Peter’s and 2 at SHU) I really disagree with this statement

Parents absolutely love him…

Being an exceptional recruiter doesn’t really matter all that much anymore. It’s more important that Shaheen be (or become) an exceptional fundraiser.

 

[SOpirate]

Seton Hall is very possibly the worst power conference team in the nation, and there is no ray of hope in sight. Why isn’t Felt, McBride, Lyons, anyone out front and center right now informing fans on what their plan is to right the ship?

This is the reason I do not have confidence in their ability to get the job done.

 

[batts]

Seton Hall is very possibly the worst power conference team in the nation, and there is no ray of hope in sight. Why isn’t Felt, McBride, Lyons, anyone out front and center right now informing fans on what their plan is to right the ship?

This is the reason I do not have confidence in their ability to get the job done.

Plans are great but what we need is MONEY. Our alum generously contributed to our new Athletic Center, but to convince them to dip into their pockets again to pay for recruits who are receiving room, board and a free education is a much more difficult task. Any suggestions?

 

[SHUSA]

Seton Hall is very possibly the worst power conference team in the nation, and there is no ray of hope in sight. Why isn’t Felt, McBride, Lyons, anyone out front and center right now informing fans on what their plan is to right the ship?

This is the reason I do not have confidence in their ability to get the job done.

honestly this is probably a wake up call we need in the long run. its very unlikely shu can compete anyways but if this type of season cant light a fire under the admin, then nothing can.