First and Only Black Mayor of NYC, David Dinkins passes away age 93

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Depends on your definition of asshole. Who’s the bigger asshole the nice guy who gives $1.8 billion to Iran to fund people who want to destroy our country like JV team Isis or the guy who is an asshole to the media but takes out Isis? All depends on your point of view.

I can certainly respect the opinion that Obama was wrong to give Iran their money back... foreign policy is fairly complex and I wouldn’t pretend to be an expert but I do believe that Obama thought it was in the best interest of the United States to make that agreement.

What Trump is doing right now is clearly not in the best interest of the United States. He has never been capable of putting the country’s interest first. Thankfully he will be gone soon.

 

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I can certainly respect the opinion that Obama was wrong to give Iran their money back... foreign policy is fairly complex and I wouldn’t pretend to be an expert but I do believe that Obama thought it was in the best interest of the United States to make that agreement.

What Trump is doing right now is clearly not in the best interest of the United States. He has never been capable of putting the country’s interest first. Thankfully he will be gone soon.

Just silly when you say that. His whole platform was America first. NATO allies paying their fair share. Was it in Germany’s interest or America’s interest we make Germany pay their fair share? Many other examples like that. Trumps abruptness destroyed him and I can understand many people view him, as 75 said, as an asshole, but to say he was incapable of putting the country first is ridiculous.

 

[HALL85]

Republicans voted for the BIGGEST ASSHOLE who ever ran for pres, saw his 4 yrs of works and voted for him again, so accusing dems of voting party line is really humorous.

This is the world put in motion by repubs starting propaganda tv station. Beginning with fox. And now, if trump said the world was shaped like a triangle, they'd be making fun of round gloves.

The age of truth being irrelevant.

LOL… It’s all Fox’s fault. Talk about blinders.

 

[Seton75]

The man, as just a human, is an asshole. Forget politics. He is exactly what mostcgood people would not respect. A liar, a cheat, a braggart, a bad business man who squandered so much of other people's money without a care. A hypocrite.

Grab in the pu..., if you heard a hs jock say that in the locker room, you would shake your head and say what a jerk off. But he is a repub, so fox annoints him. And the real crazies canonize him.

 

[HALL85]

The man, as just a human, is an asshole. Forget politics. He is exactly what mostcgood people would not respect. A liar, a cheat, a braggart, a bad business man who squandered so much of other people's money without a care. A hypocrite.

Grab in the pu..., if you heard a hs jock say that in the locker room, you would shake your head and say what a jerk off. But he is a repub, so fox annoints him. And the real crazies canonize him.

So he’s like most other politicians.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

The man, as just a human, is an asshole. Forget politics. He is exactly what mostcgood people would not respect. A liar, a cheat, a braggart, a bad business man who squandered so much of other people's money without a care. A hypocrite.

Grab in the pu..., if you heard a hs jock say that in the locker room, you would shake your head and say what a jerk off. But he is a repub, so fox annoints him. And the real crazies canonize him.

Lol the fact there’s a congressional slush fund for sexual harassment is every bit as disgusting. The fact nobody in congress has put an end to it is more disgusting. That’s Democrats and Republicans. Trump is on par with all of them. But to pin point him as a jerkoff and not acknowledging Nancy or Mitch for their part in letting the slush fund exist is wrong.

 

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Just silly when you say that. His whole platform was America first. NATO allies paying their fair share. Was it in Germany’s interest or America’s interest we make Germany pay their fair share? Many other examples like that. Trumps abruptness destroyed him and I can understand many people view him, as 75 said, as an asshole, but to say he was incapable of putting the country first is ridiculous.

Sometimes what was best for the country was also best for Trump. In those instances, he was fine.

When what was best for Trump was not best for the country, he picked himself every time.

Hard to imagine any other president ignoring a country paying bounties to kill US troops, holding foreign aid for political dirt, or hurting our democracy by claiming that the election was rigged etc etc etc...

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Sometimes what was best for the country was also best for Trump. In those instances, he was fine.

When what was best for Trump was not best for the country, he picked himself every time.

Hard to imagine any other president ignoring a country paying bounties to kill US troops, holding foreign aid for political dirt, or hurting our democracy by claiming that the election was rigged etc etc etc...

Kind of like what’s best for Hunter is best for USA. Got it. Thanks.

 

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Kind of like what’s best for Hunter is best for USA. Got it. Thanks.

Not remotely. If you can point to a policy that was changed because of Hunter, that would be the same.... but it doesn’t appear there was one as much as you would like there to be.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Not remotely. If you can point to a policy that was changed because of Hunter, that would be the same.... but it doesn’t appear there was one as much as you would like there to be.

Sure if you believe the MSM is giving you all the details. Quid pro quo Joe is the next honest Abe.

 

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Sure if you believe the MSM is giving you all the details. Quid pro quo Joe is the next honest Abe.

You’re reaching quite a bit.

I’ll judge Biden’s administration once he is president in a couple months. Hopefully the gaslighting stops and Trump stops trying to damage our democracy and concedes.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

You think it’s a reach to give some politicians kid millions and they’re going to continue to put their duties first? I don’t care what side of the aisle, I’m going to be very skeptical that they can be unbiased.

 

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You think it’s a reach to give some politicians kid millions and they’re going to continue to put their duties first? I don’t care what side of the aisle, I’m going to be very skeptical that they can be unbiased.

I have no problem with skepticism, but your mind is already made up.

It’s one thing for a country to try and influence US policy. It’s another for a politician to be influenced by those efforts. Your skepticism would be more deserved if there was a policy you can point to where we changed our stance after those countries trying to influence policy.

For example... something like these would seem to be more deserving of skepticism.

Ivanka’s Trademark Requests Were Fast-Tracked In China After Trump Was Elected

The day before she was officially appointed to the White House staff, Ivanka Trump applied for 17 new trademarks in China.

www.forbes.com

Timeline on Jared Kushner, Qatar, 666 Fifth Avenue, and White House Policy

A comprehensive account of Jared Kushner, 666 Fifth Avenue, and White House support for the blockade of Qatar after the Qataris rejected Kushner Companies.

www.justsecurity.org

Those deals are worth FAR more than anything Hunter got and there were actual US policy stances which changed after the deal. You’re saying you don’t care what side of the aisle, but is that actually true?

 

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I have no problem with skepticism, but your mind is already made up.

It’s one thing for a country to try and influence US policy. It’s another for a politician to be influenced by those efforts. Your skepticism would be more deserved if there was a policy you can point to where we changed our stance after those countries trying to influence policy.

For example... something like these would seem to be more deserving of skepticism.

Ivanka’s Trademark Requests Were Fast-Tracked In China After Trump Was Elected

The day before she was officially appointed to the White House staff, Ivanka Trump applied for 17 new trademarks in China.

www.forbes.com

Timeline on Jared Kushner, Qatar, 666 Fifth Avenue, and White House Policy

A comprehensive account of Jared Kushner, 666 Fifth Avenue, and White House support for the blockade of Qatar after the Qataris rejected Kushner Companies.

www.justsecurity.org

Those deals are worth FAR more than anything Hunter got and there were actual US policy stances which changed after the deal. You’re saying you don’t care what side of the aisle, but is that actually true?

They all deserve skepticism. Question is did she apply and China chose to fast track to try to persuade the family or did the Trump family force the fast track. Trump has been as tough if not tougher on China than any president.

I highly doubt people said Joe your son is extremely qualified for this position. He’s the top man in the world for this job we need him. 0% chance that happened. That was a favor by request of Joe.

You have 0 criticisms of Biden. Trump all bad. Dems all good.

 

[Seton75]

LOL… It’s all Fox’s fault. Talk about blinders.

That is where it started. That is the genesis of our hopelessly divided nation. That was fox's goal, divide and conquer.

Make the news a profit center and tell the audience only what they want to hear.

So he’s like most other politicians.

Oh please.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

That is where it started. That is the genesis of our hopelessly divided nation. That was fox's goal, divide and conquer.

Make the news a profit center and tell the audience only what they want to hear.

Interesting point. Without Fox the media could be biased in one direction and nobody would know and there would be no division. I like it.

what’s forgotten in all of this is how much the MSM loved trump in 2015 and early 2016 when they thought he had no chance. Why did they prop up a candidate who they knew wouldn’t be good for the country? Do they care about the impact that their job has on America? If they do, they clearly would’ve never propped up Trump in the first place. Or did their unfair bias try to persuade republicans to have get a candidate through the primaries who had no chance in the general election? Every single one of them should lose their journalism credentials.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Interesting point. Without Fox the media could be biased in one direction and nobody would know and there would be no division. I like it.

what’s forgotten in all of this is how much the MSM loved trump in 2015 and early 2016 when they thought he had no chance. Why did they prop up a candidate who they knew wouldn’t be good for the country? Do they care about the impact that their job has on America? If they do, they clearly would’ve never propped up Trump in the first place. Or did their unfair bias try to persuade republicans to have get a candidate through the primaries who had no chance in the general election? Every single one of them should lose their journalism credentials.

CNN and Jeff Zucker are a culprit on this, if you were trump then would you pass on getting exposure calling into a show or having a new sit down interview every 3rd or 4th day

 

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That is where it started. That is the genesis of our hopelessly divided nation. That was fox's goal, divide and conquer.

Make the news a profit center and tell the audience only what they want to hear.

to quote you....oh, please!

 

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CNN and Jeff Zucker are a culprit on this, if you were trump then would you pass on getting exposure calling into a show or having a new sit down interview every 3rd or 4th day

They are #FakeNews. They did everything to enhance Trump so there wouldn't be a real Republican candidate like Ted Cruz on the ballot. Had they been real journalists they probably could have exploited holes in Trump as a candidate. They embraced Trump's abruptness and arrogant NY attitude. Instead of covering the facts and questioning his behavior they chose what they wanted to cover and how they wanted the American people to view it. Then when it bit them in the ass they spent 4 years blasting what they created, taking no responsibility for what they created, and caused more division.

Hopefully all who voted and didn't vote for Biden root for his success. He's our president. None of that low class BS not my president crap that the left pulled. Trump played to his base and never unified the country all while doing many good things. The media can't look itself in the mirror and say they tried to unite the country but Trump made it worse. The media spent 4 years with a mission to divide the country so he would be a one term president. The media was equally if not more divisive as Trump.

 

[HALL85]

They are #FakeNews. They did everything to enhance Trump so there wouldn't be a real Republican candidate like Ted Cruz on the ballot. Had they been real journalists they probably could have exploited holes in Trump as a candidate. They embraced Trump's abruptness and arrogant NY attitude. Instead of covering the facts and questioning his behavior they chose what they wanted to cover and how they wanted the American people to view it. Then when it bit them in the ass they spent 4 years blasting what they created, taking no responsibility for what they created, and caused more division.

Hopefully all who voted and didn't vote for Biden root for his success. He's our president. None of that low class BS not my president crap that the left pulled. Trump played to his base and never unified the country all while doing many good things. The media can't look itself in the mirror and say they tried to unite the country but Trump made it worse. The media spent 4 years with a mission to divide the country so he would be a one term president. The media was equally if not more divisive as Trump.

Trump actually exploited the bias and divisiveness in the media to his advantage. He would have never won in 2016 if he didn’t. And let’s not feel sorry for them because they all enjoyed record rating$, that they will never come close to over the next four years.

 

[SHUSA]

has there ever been a president who constantly talks about how awesome he is? and constantly spouts blatant lies like he won the election, and the election is rigged (unless he won)etc etc?

answer no. hes a new breed. thats exactly why he was voted in. but theres still a handful of idiots that never considered that "new" could very well mean worse too. all of a sudden hes just like everyone else. gtfo.

guy got destroyed in the election for a reason.

 

[HALL85]

Destroyed???

 

[SHUSA]

Destroyed???

yup. just as big as "the biggest election victory ever"

 

[HALL85]

yup. just as big as "the biggest election victory ever"

So you’re just like Trump...prone to exaggerate....got it.

 

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You’re reaching quite a bit.

I’ll judge Biden’s administration once he is president in a couple months. Hopefully the gaslighting stops and Trump stops trying to damage our democracy and concedes.

He did a tremendous job for my party constituents for 42+ years (I dropped Dems in 16)

 

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He did a tremendous job for my party constituents for 42+ years (I dropped Dems in 16)

He wasn't my pick. I didn't vote for him in the primary (though admittedly it was over at that point) but I will judge his administration when he is in office. For a while I thought that I would be more likely to vote for a republican in 2024 instead of Harris but that was because I assumed the party would reject Trump and move to the center again. I may have overestimated their willingness to do that.

 

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He wasn't my pick. I didn't vote for him in the primary (though admittedly it was over at that point) but I will judge his administration when he is in office. For a while I thought that I would be more likely to vote for a republican in 2024 instead of Harris but that was because I assumed the party would reject Trump and move to the center again. I may have overestimated their willingness to do that.

You’re not educated on the issues if you think trump was far right.

 

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You’re not educated on the issues if you think trump was far right.

He is an anti-immigrant, isolationist/nationalist. He isn't on the traditional political spectrum though... That much is true.

 

[Hallsome]

He is an anti-immigrant, isolationist/nationalist. He isn't on the traditional political spectrum though... That much is true.

He’s not anti immigrant

He’s anti illegal immigrants

And the left refused to negotiate what he wanted which was to overhaul the existing broken system

Wonder why the left want illegal immigration lol

 

[Hallsome]

He is an anti-immigrant, isolationist/nationalist. He isn't on the traditional political spectrum though... That much is true.

He’s not conservative. He’s not far right. But glad to see your ignorance of the issue.

 

[HALL85]

Trump is not anti-immigrant. More CNN nonsense.

 

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He’s not anti immigrant

He’s anti illegal immigrants

And the left refused to negotiate what he wanted which was to overhaul the existing broken system

Wonder why the left want illegal immigration lol

Nah, I know who he is. You’re right that he doesn’t cate about immigration. He doesn’t actually care about anything. He just uses the divisive rhetoric to appeal to the worst impulses in people. That’s why the white supremacy groups all think he is on their side.

Glad he is done and hope we never have another like him.
Hopefully republicans understand that his rhetoric is untenable for the future of their party.

 

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Nah, I know who he is. You’re right that he doesn’t cate about immigration. He doesn’t actually care about anything. He just uses the divisive rhetoric to appeal to the worst impulses in people. That’s why the white supremacy groups all think he is on their side.

Glad he is done and hope we never have another like him.
Hopefully republicans understand that his rhetoric is untenable for the future of their party.

One of your poorer deflections...

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Nah, I know who he is. You’re right that he doesn’t cate about immigration. He doesn’t actually care about anything. He just uses the divisive rhetoric to appeal to the worst impulses in people. That’s why the white supremacy groups all think he is on their side.

Glad he is done and hope we never have another like him.
Hopefully republicans understand that his rhetoric is untenable for the future of their party.

Sounds like many in the Democratic Party think socialism and abolish police is going in a direction that is untenable for their future. Maybe we can finally get a 3rd and 4th party. It’s going to be a wild 4 years. If Biden caters too much to the progressives he will lose the moderates. If Biden doesn’t bow down to the progressives they will riot and he will lose them. When he screws this up very possible Trump or someone like him can win 2024. It’s time for the Democrats to hold serve. Can Biden hold the middle and left together for 4 years. Seems like an impossible task because the far left is not very tolerant.

 

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Sounds like many in the Democratic Party think socialism and abolish police is going in a direction that is untenable for their future.

Correct. Those directions are untenable. Good thing the Dems nominated a nominee that does not support those policies, right?

The Dems will have to navigate getting the party to unify. No idea of they will or not. Depends on the circumstances at the time.