6.9% of those that have contracted COVID in the U.S. have needed hospitalization and that rate is falling.
Take out the abnormally high hospitalization rates in NJ/NY due to those governors feckless actions and that rate drops to 5.0%
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6.9% of those that have contracted COVID in the U.S. have needed hospitalization and that rate is falling.
Take out the abnormally high hospitalization rates in NJ/NY due to those governors feckless actions and that rate drops to 5.0%
1/20 doesnt make me feel too great either. hospitalization is not only scarier, but now involves my wallet.
From the CDC:
COVID hospitalization rate is approx 120.9 per 100,000 population.
FLU hospitalization rate is approx 67.4 per 100,000 population.
Seems like healthy marlins will bus to baltimore and play 4 games wed and thurs...they still need reinforcements
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Good i am rooting for MLb season to be canceled. Karma for aligning themselves with an anti-American organization. MLB could never play another game and I could give to craps.
anyone arguing that this virus is harmless to young healthy people are totally clueless. My cousin got it in April and even now she is at 50% of her former self. 26 years old, zero pre-existing conditions and one of the healthiest people in our family.
she can't run, walking takes everything out of her, has had to get her heart checked out twice and could have permanent scarring on her lungs. If you had any chance of that happening to you would you take the risk? I wouldn't. This virus is still new and we don't know the long lasting affects. This isn't a political issue, this is a public health crisis and people who try to spin the story to downplay those risks because of their own personal interests are getting people hurt.
she can't run, walking takes everything out of her, has had to get her heart checked out twice and could have permanent scarring on her lungs. If you had any chance of that happening to you would you take the risk? I wouldn't. This virus is still new and we don't know the long lasting affects. This isn't a political issue, this is a public health crisis and people who try to spin the story to downplay those risks because of their own personal interests are getting people hurt.
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Who is Hannah Davis and what is her expertise? Not to minimize her but Twitter is full of bs, it's the worst platform.
Agreed, BUT the Political Spin goes both ways. I had to get of Twitter again because of this and the other crap going on.
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Sorry about your cousin, that sucks. But there are many, many more people who have had no problems and made it through fine as well. The question every person has to ask themselves is this: Are all the changes we have made, rules imposed, etc worth it? My answer, based on my experience, what I've seen and what I've read, is clearly no. It's fine if you answer yes, but it's not ok to demonize people who may feel differently.
I 100000% agree, BUT if you don't answer "yes" you are "tarred & flogged." Just like if you don't follow in "lockstep" with the "Defund the Police" crowd, my bad I am the son of a retired officer.
Of course you are right. But, you are wasting your time speaking logic when going up against nutty beliefs in/fears of conspiracies, Marxist plots, dire threats to our very freedoms etc. etc.
Wow, just wow. Some of the fruit cake opinions appearing in this thread are just astounding.
Please tell me what is factually wrong in my statement. Very eager to hear what you come up with.
Everything gets oversimplified as well. There are a number of unintended consequences that are resulting from these measures as well (depression, delaying treatment on an unrelated condition, eating and lifestyle habits, etc.) that are going to have a significant impact on the health and mortality of the population.
thanks for the kind words. I am very happy that the vast majority of people come out of this totally fine. Had a former SHU alum friend get it and he had only sniffles and a cough for a week. Totally fine now. Obviously everyone wants that to be the scenario for everyone, but it's not.
And that's my point. If all of those people who think they will be totally fine if they get COVID, simply do the bare minimum to protect themselves and others then we will be in a much better position. But instead we have people flocking to the beaches in Florida, protesting the need to wear a piece of fabric over their face in public and increasing the chances of some (not all) people getting seriously sick or dying.
If we as a whole had listened and acted with sound logic and followed the guidance of health experts from the beginning then our nation would be in a much better position today. Instead the rest of the world is cringing at our disorganization and division. A large percentage of Americans refuse to accept the reality of the situation.
People flocking to beaches is not a problem. It's those same people flocking to bars and restaurants that is.
What's most frustrating to watch as an American is to see other countries like England Germany and Italy handle this so well. They are playing soccer no problem right now in Europe. Even pubs and bars are starting to reopen in England. Disappointed in our response when you look over the fence and see Europe doing so well
It has been totally politicized. But keep electing these morons.
https://nypost.com/2020/07/27/doctors-fearing-worst-for-mlb-after-marlins-coronavirus-mayhem/
Doctors fear worst for MLB after Marlins coronavirus mayhem
By Ken Davidoff
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PHILADELPHIA — Anthony Santella, a public health scientist and health services researcher specializing in infectious disease prevention and control, recalled his reaction upon hearing of organized sports’ plans to return to action.
“I was like, ‘We’re moving too fast,’” Dr. Santella, who teaches at Hofstra University, said in a telephone interview Monday. “…It was inevitable this was going to happen.”
“This” is the Miami Marlins coronavirus outbreak, with four players testing positive for coronavirus on Sunday and another seven players and two coaches on Monday. It quickly caused the postponement of two games — the Marlins against the Orioles at Marlins Park and the Yankees versus the Phillies at Citizens Bank Park, where the Marlins played the Phillies on Sunday despite both teams knowing about the first batch of bad news.
Less than a week into the regular season, Major League Baseball finds itself at a crossroads.
Conversations with four medical experts on Monday produced overlapping sentiments: Strong skepticism that MLB can complete its mission of holding a 60-game regular season plus a month-long postseason; confusion over why the ruling authorities allowed the Marlins-Phillies game to occur on Sunday; and a steadfast belief that more such outbreaks will be coming as long as MLB attempts to keep this going.
“Baseball’s not like football or mixed martial arts where the guys are all over each other. It is a sort of socially distanced game out on the field,” said Dr. Henry Raymond, an epidemiologist at Rurgers, “But you have close quarters for the transportation, in the clubhouses, in the dugouts. Unfortunately, it takes only one person who may or not may have symptoms to create an ‘Oops!’ situation.”
That the “Oops!” situation occurred with a team from Florida, where governor Ron DeSantis took immense pride in ending stay-at-home orders quickly and has seen such expediency produce skyrocketing COVID-19 numbers, hardly surprised the doctors.
“The players are not in an actual bubble,” said Dr. David Hirschwerk, an infectious diseases expert at Northwell Health in New York. “They’re urged not to spend time outside of the stadium and the clubhouse, but the communities that surround where they are are really on fire from the infection.”
Similarly, Dr. Joseph Kim of ID Care noted that soccer players in the English Premier League have fared very well in avoiding outbreaks.
“Somehow, I think professional athletes are cut from a mold,” Kim wrote in a text message, “but the societies in which we live in may be different.”
MLB has no intention to pull its teams from hot spots like Florida, Texas or Arizona, which means it will continue to rely on its testing protocols, the urging for team members to socially distance and not socialize and immense attention to detail on travel.
“They could look toward more stringent rules to increase the strength of their bubbles,” Dr. Raymond suggested.
When teams are home, their players are allowed to do as they wish. In theory, the sport could house team members at the same hotel in their home cities just as they do on the road.
For sure, the doctors largely agreed, the sport must be proactive when it encounters a situation like Sunday’s here in The City of Brotherly Love.
“I would’ve said that’s not a good idea to continue to play (upon learning of the Marlins’ test results),” Dr. Raymond said. “…I think anywhere where you pick up the signal of the virus, you would probably want to put the brakes on pretty quickly.”
“I don’t want to second-guess, but the results speak for themselves,” Dr. Hirschwerk said. “In retrospect, it would’ve been better to take a timeout there and make sure that, even 24 hours later, other players still remain negative.”
“I don’t think there’s a safe way of doing these kinds of group team sports, I would say, at least for the rest of 2020 and most likely until there’s a vaccine,” Dr. Santella said. “I personally think you’re compromising people’s health and well-being for a short-term gain.
“…We’re planning for people to go back to work, to school, to sports, and the science needs time to catch up. We’re just not there yet. If I were advising Major League Baseball or any major group thinking about resuming activities, even with the research in place, I would simply tell them it’s just not the right time. I don’t think anyone will argue with putting someone’s health & life ahead of sports. I hope not.”
Doctors fear worst for MLB after Marlins coronavirus mayhem
By Ken Davidoff
MORE ON:
MLB
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MLB star says players' health isn't league's top priority
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PHILADELPHIA — Anthony Santella, a public health scientist and health services researcher specializing in infectious disease prevention and control, recalled his reaction upon hearing of organized sports’ plans to return to action.
“I was like, ‘We’re moving too fast,’” Dr. Santella, who teaches at Hofstra University, said in a telephone interview Monday. “…It was inevitable this was going to happen.”
“This” is the Miami Marlins coronavirus outbreak, with four players testing positive for coronavirus on Sunday and another seven players and two coaches on Monday. It quickly caused the postponement of two games — the Marlins against the Orioles at Marlins Park and the Yankees versus the Phillies at Citizens Bank Park, where the Marlins played the Phillies on Sunday despite both teams knowing about the first batch of bad news.
Less than a week into the regular season, Major League Baseball finds itself at a crossroads.
Conversations with four medical experts on Monday produced overlapping sentiments: Strong skepticism that MLB can complete its mission of holding a 60-game regular season plus a month-long postseason; confusion over why the ruling authorities allowed the Marlins-Phillies game to occur on Sunday; and a steadfast belief that more such outbreaks will be coming as long as MLB attempts to keep this going.
“Baseball’s not like football or mixed martial arts where the guys are all over each other. It is a sort of socially distanced game out on the field,” said Dr. Henry Raymond, an epidemiologist at Rurgers, “But you have close quarters for the transportation, in the clubhouses, in the dugouts. Unfortunately, it takes only one person who may or not may have symptoms to create an ‘Oops!’ situation.”
That the “Oops!” situation occurred with a team from Florida, where governor Ron DeSantis took immense pride in ending stay-at-home orders quickly and has seen such expediency produce skyrocketing COVID-19 numbers, hardly surprised the doctors.
“The players are not in an actual bubble,” said Dr. David Hirschwerk, an infectious diseases expert at Northwell Health in New York. “They’re urged not to spend time outside of the stadium and the clubhouse, but the communities that surround where they are are really on fire from the infection.”
Similarly, Dr. Joseph Kim of ID Care noted that soccer players in the English Premier League have fared very well in avoiding outbreaks.
“Somehow, I think professional athletes are cut from a mold,” Kim wrote in a text message, “but the societies in which we live in may be different.”
MLB has no intention to pull its teams from hot spots like Florida, Texas or Arizona, which means it will continue to rely on its testing protocols, the urging for team members to socially distance and not socialize and immense attention to detail on travel.
“They could look toward more stringent rules to increase the strength of their bubbles,” Dr. Raymond suggested.
When teams are home, their players are allowed to do as they wish. In theory, the sport could house team members at the same hotel in their home cities just as they do on the road.
For sure, the doctors largely agreed, the sport must be proactive when it encounters a situation like Sunday’s here in The City of Brotherly Love.
“I would’ve said that’s not a good idea to continue to play (upon learning of the Marlins’ test results),” Dr. Raymond said. “…I think anywhere where you pick up the signal of the virus, you would probably want to put the brakes on pretty quickly.”
“I don’t want to second-guess, but the results speak for themselves,” Dr. Hirschwerk said. “In retrospect, it would’ve been better to take a timeout there and make sure that, even 24 hours later, other players still remain negative.”
“I don’t think there’s a safe way of doing these kinds of group team sports, I would say, at least for the rest of 2020 and most likely until there’s a vaccine,” Dr. Santella said. “I personally think you’re compromising people’s health and well-being for a short-term gain.
“…We’re planning for people to go back to work, to school, to sports, and the science needs time to catch up. We’re just not there yet. If I were advising Major League Baseball or any major group thinking about resuming activities, even with the research in place, I would simply tell them it’s just not the right time. I don’t think anyone will argue with putting someone’s health & life ahead of sports. I hope not.”
Just out of curiosity with many of your recent comments it seems that you are pro abortion. It is only a small percentage of the population that are affected, so I figure that you must be a proponent for abortion.’
England and Italy did NOT handle it well. They had far worse outcomes than the US.
What does abortion have to do with the coronavirus? This board makes me shake my head sometimes.
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You sure about that? 40-50 million estimated per year worldwide, that's a Black Plague every year. There were 862,000 in the US in 2017. But as 09 said, WTF do abortions have to do with the virus.
They've made so much more progress. Initially no but now the numbers don't lie they are in much better shape. Sad as an American to watch
They had both had higher death rates than the US. Smaller countries so the virus burned itself out there earlier. It will do that here eventually as well, just as it has in our area.
For someone always holding others to a standard of civility in debate, these are a poor reflection.
How do you feel about the BLM organization, which openly touts it's Marxist influences?
I am 100% behind the core concept of the Black Lives Matter movement, which is that African-Americans have been subjected to repeated incidents of racism and violence, all too often at the hands of police. I am far less interested in or committed to the organization itself.
I also find it both hilarious and sad that people can look past the blatant racism against Black Americans and obsess over its alleged Marxism. That's like ordering a bag of donuts and complaining about the holes in the middle.
Too often in America black lives don't matter and that's the problem. And it's a huge problem. And too many white folks ignore it, minimize it or degrade the people who point it out.
PS -- I ain't a Marxist.
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Yes I can agree black lives surely do not matter in many major US cities where young men are dying in systematic gang violence. We need to get these young men working, instead of gang banging.
