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Snowed in fun. If nothing changes (and it will with transfers leaving/coming, Thompson potentially going pro early, walk ons getting roster spots), looks like we have 1 opening remaining in 2018, 1 in 2019 (Nzei) , and 4 in 2020 (Gill, Powell, McKnight, Gordon). These numbers will likely increase.

Here are the big names who I think our targets are...

2018
Vladir Manual - 6-9 C 4 Star
Jahvon Quinerly 6-0 PG 5 Star
Or Hold for 2019 Class

2019
Aundre Hyatt 6-7 SF 4 Star
Precious Achiuwa 6-8 SF 5 Star
Scottie Lewis 6-5 SF 5 Star
Bryan Antoine 6-4 CG 5 Star
Qudus Wabab 6-11 C 4 Star
Eric Dixon 6-7 PF/C 4 Star
Ismael Massoud 6-7 SF 4 Star
Isaiah Wong 6-2 PG 4 Star

Prominent 3 Star Recruits
Paul Mulcahy CG 6-4 3 Star
Al Amir Dawes CG 6-1 3 Star
Justin Winston SF 6-7 3 Star
Jalen Gaffney PG 6-0 3 Star

2020
Jabri Abdur Rahim SF 6-6 4 Star
Noah Farakhon PG 6-1 5 Star
Ellgah Hutchins -Everett C 6-10 4 Star
 
For 2018 don’t rule out a transfer, regular or graduate senior. With Nzei graduating in 2019 and Thompson potentially leaving early adding quality size becomes crucial in our 2019 class.
 
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hallgrad80 said:
For 2018 don’t rule out a transfer, regular or graduate senior. With Nzei graduating in 2019 and Thompson potentially leaving early adding quality size becomes crucial in our 2019 class.
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Getting a pure outside shooter to replace Powell is the #1 need in my opinion. Having that guy that can extend the defense is so critical for our success.
 
Wouldn’t it be nice when we talk about future recruiting we could post names where we are the clear , on odds favorite for those players , not a long shot.
 
2018
Vladir Manual - 6-9 C 4 Star- Good shot
Jahvon Quinerly 6-0 PG 5 Star- Doubt it
Grad Transfer/ transfer- most likely

2019
Aundre Hyatt 6-7 SF 4 Star
Precious Achiuwa 6-8 SF 5 Star- Don't waste our time
Scottie Lewis 6-5 SF 5 Star- Don't waste our time
Bryan Antoine 6-4 CG 5 Star- Don't waste our time
Qudus Wabab 6-11 C 4 Star
Eric Dixon 6-7 PF/C 4 Star
Ismael Massoud 6-7 SF 4 Star
Isaiah Wong 6-2 PG 4 Star

Prominent 3 Star Recruits
Paul Mulcahy CG 6-4 3 Star- Maybe but doubt it
Al Amir Dawes CG 6-1 3 Star- best shot
Justin Winston SF 6-7 3 Star
Jalen Gaffney PG 6-0 3 Star

2020
Jabri Abdur Rahim SF 6-6 4 Star- Stud doubt he goes anywhere local most likely Blue Blood
Noah Farakhon PG 6-1 5 Star- Move on
Ellgah Hutchins -Everett C 6-10 4 Star
 
Seton75 said:
I rule out the ranney kids and mulcahy. Hope to be proven wrong but I doubt it.
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I don't think we have any shot on Mulcahy. But I think we got a very good shot at Lewis. Antoine is going to be a tough one and if Lewis commits early you never know what can happen (look at our seniors).

I also think Hyatte may reclassify back to 2018 from what I have heard. So he could come out but may want to stay to work on his game. He likes our school but there a few ACC schools involved/trying to get involved.
 
thehall07 said:
2018
Vladir Manual - 6-9 C 4 Star- Good shot
Jahvon Quinerly 6-0 PG 5 Star- Doubt it
Grad Transfer/ transfer- most likely

2019
Aundre Hyatt 6-7 SF 4 Star
Precious Achiuwa 6-8 SF 5 Star- Don't waste our time
Scottie Lewis 6-5 SF 5 Star- Don't waste our time
Bryan Antoine 6-4 CG 5 Star- Don't waste our time
Qudus Wabab 6-11 C 4 Star
Eric Dixon 6-7 PF/C 4 Star
Ismael Massoud 6-7 SF 4 Star
Isaiah Wong 6-2 PG 4 Star

Prominent 3 Star Recruits
Paul Mulcahy CG 6-4 3 Star- Maybe but doubt it
Al Amir Dawes CG 6-1 3 Star- best shot
Justin Winston SF 6-7 3 Star
Jalen Gaffney PG 6-0 3 Star

2020
Jabri Abdur Rahim SF 6-6 4 Star- Stud doubt he goes anywhere local most likely Blue Blood
Noah Farakhon PG 6-1 5 Star- Move on
Ellgah Hutchins -Everett C 6-10 4 Star
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Agree with you on all fronts. Let’s just say we have 3 openings for 2019. A realistic class and one that would be a solid one and I’d sign on the dotted line for is:
- Al Amir Dawes (hopefully grows a little and appears to really like us a lot)
- Ismael Massoud (kid has a sweet stroke and looks like a sniper)
- Eric Dixon - I think he’s taller than 6’7 and the Qudus Wahab appears to me a major project
 
TommyAlly said:
I hope I’m not reading into that too much.
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I think spk is referring to Manual looking for a better offer and cooling down on us, not anything with TT or Nzei grad transferring.

Right Spk145?

Anyways we will have Manu, Gill, Brodie and TT and probably Nzei for the 4/5 spots without Manual.
 
HallBall02 said:
I think spk is referring to Manual looking for a better offer and cooling down on us, not anything with TT or Nzei grad transferring.

Right Spk145?

Anyways we will have Manu, Gill, Brodie and TT and probably Nzei for the 4/5 spots without Manual.
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Don’t go overboard on either Gill or Brodie. Gill will be a situational player and Brodie is far from seeing quality minutes.
 
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Starters will be TT and Nzei, Manu first big off bench (Ish role) and either Gill or Brodie whoever is the most ready (playing the Manu role this year).

Nobody is going overboard with Gill or Brodie, will be at best serviceable for 5-10 min a game. My point is that we will have 5 bigs on roster as we won’t be playing a 6’4” Larry Davis as our center next year and so losing on Manual not a huge deal IMHO.
 
HallBall02 said:
Starters will be TT and Nzei, Manu first big off bench (Ish role) and either Gill or Brodie whoever is the most ready (playing the Manu role this year).

Nobody is going overboard with Gill or Brodie, will be at best serviceable for 5-10 min a game. My point is that we will have 5 bigs on roster as we won’t be playing a 6’4” Larry Davis as our center next year and so losing on Manual not a huge deal IMHO.
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Let's assume we have TT and Nzei for next.. if either aren't here we absolutely need to replace with high quality grad transfer.

This year we have 5 big east quality players that can play a forward position. Including desi here bc he could play the 4 based on matchups or if we hit injuries. An injury to any of the top 3 you mentioned and we’re in trouble , can’t expect Rhoden to fill that role as freshman,imo.

I’d love a desi type grad transfer that gives us reliability at 3 and some insurance at the 4. Hyatt might reclassify that would be a great signing too.
 
If, big IF, we go to elite 8, I think it should be reasonable to think that we will snatch one of these 4/5 stars 2019 players by the Fall.
 
So basically the Isaiah Whitehead class hasn't elevated Seton Hall in the eyes of recruits at all.
 
Warners0 said:
So basically the Isaiah Whitehead class hasn't elevated Seton Hall in the eyes of recruits at all.
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Nor should it. Each kid is their own recruiting case. Bags of money, jobs for parents, gfs getting into school, etc wouldn’t be needed if kids cared about the recent history of the program. It’s a nice talking point to the media but nothing more. Really, why would these major programs with great recent history of success like Louisville and Arizona be involved in a scandal since their programs have been so good. They wouldn’t need to do that stuff because their on court stuff should have elevated them in the eyes of recruits if it’s all about on court performance.
 
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The recruiting landscape has changed dramatically for college basketball. Recent success is no longer a major factor in attracting talent. The school's success in signing one and dones who go in the lottery has become important. The quality of a school's athletic facilities including its resident housing for athletes which contain all the amenities of a five star hotel has become a factor and fueled a facilities race. And yes , the growth of illegal inducements and the value of such inducements has become an increasing factor in the war for recruits.

Yet schools like Gonzaga, Nova, Xavier, Creighton and others continue to attract enough quality recruits in order to remain nationally ranked and relevant. What schools like those mentioned above have to offer is a head coach that quality recruits want to play for and a basketball is king Conference. There is one other factor that has helped programs become and remain successful and that is the quality of its recruiting assistants and their ties to the top AAU pipelines .
 
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That’s bogus, success matters. DePaul ain’t getting any recruits . The IW class has made SHU successful we’ve been ranked all year. Its a failure not to parlay this success. Its not massive, it’s not storied, but it’s better than what we’re doing.
 
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Absolutely success matters, but I’m sure there is plenty of negative recruiting going on versus SHU. IMO the biggest issue with SHU Is facilities. Ours are very good and money was well spent to make them the best they can be. But still, the losers down the Turnpike are building $100 million worth of athletic facilities. C’mon that’s unbelievable.

Still after all is said and done we will be rolling out 3 top 100 players next year, 4 if we get a Manuel, plus a couple more just outside the top 100 and two more just out side the top 150. With SHU it’s all about prequalifying who we target and then take a swing for the fences if we think we have a shot.
 
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There is no way advancing farther in the tournament would hurt. We could agrue how much it helps but in my opinion it can only help us to some extent. All you need is it to influence one or two top recruits and advancing to sweet 16 might do that.
 
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That’s bogus, success matters. DePaul ain’t getting any recruits . The IW class has made SHU successful we’ve been ranked all year. Its a failure not to parlay this success. Its not massive, it’s not storied, but it’s better than what we’re doing.
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If recent success is such a factor why did we miss out on all our highest rated targets ( and there were 14 of them ) in our 2018 class ?
 
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That’s bogus, success matters. DePaul ain’t getting any recruits . The IW class has made SHU successful we’ve been ranked all year. Its a failure not to parlay this success. Its not massive, it’s not storied, but it’s better than what we’re doing.
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Your point is bogus until you can prove kids are turning down cash from Depaul to go elsewhere for nothing.
 
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I wish it were as simple as a head coach not being a good closer as the reason a top flight recruits decided to go elsewhere and not SH. There are probably multiple reasons why players decide to go to a particular school and every recruit has his own particular reason or reasons why he makes the decision he does. All you can expect is for your staff not to be outworked in their recruiting efforts and that the school's administration provides the facilities and resources for your school to compete for the players you need to attract to your program to be successful.
 
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Watched the St. Pats Renny School highlights this AM

Concentrated on Dawes and I love the smoothness in his game! Even though he is basically a 6'0 SG I love him and would take him ASAP.

I thought this foreign big also showed more than I thought he would where as Manuel showed less( although guard driven game). I still feel we should take Manuel this season unless we have a grad transfer or normal transfer big lined up. The kid just seems to have too much potential in his game to be scared off right now.
 
I want a pf who gets a nice pass in the block and throws it down. We need so much finesse to get shots off inside.
 
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