Gas prices

[shupat08]

And my point is that we will not get to the point where a "common sense policy" creating a "hybrid energy policy" is anywhere in the near future as long as political lobbying and political donations are being given by massive Oil Companies. Clean Energy Companies cannot donate and/or lobby to 1/10 the amount that Big Oil does, therefore they will not even get 1/10 of the same consideration from these Politicians who are now following lock-step with this Corporatist agenda.

Something big needs to happen to get the political and social shift we need for Politicians and Citizens to realize what is happening and what needs to be done to stop it.

 

[double-00]

Cars can run just fine on corn , vegetable , and soy bean oil , all the while with zero emissions .

You'll never see it though until the last drop of oil is extracted from some drill site .

The oil companies wouldn't let you have it any other way and many top politicians are securely in their back pocket .

The price of gas has always been much , much higher in Europe but that's because gas is heavily taxed to pay for their retirement and health plans in Europe .

 

[donnie_baseball]

Originally posted by double-00:
Cars can run just fine on corn , vegetable , and soy bean oil , all the while with zero emissions .

You'll never see it though until the last drop of oil is extracted from some drill site .

The oil companies wouldn't let you have it any other way and many top politicians are securely in their back pocket .

The price of gas has always been much , much higher in Europe but that's because gas is heavily taxed to pay for their retirement and health plans in Europe .

Cars running on corn, veggie and soy run emission free? That's a new one. Any combustion produces emmissions. Agree with your sentiment about oil companies and politicians, though. What do you think of Willard's recent candy sales?

 

[double-00]

Willard's candy sales should always include three , four , and five star recruits .

That's mandatory if you want to move up in the Big East Conference .

What will send you plumetting toward the basement is Sean Grennan , Freddie Wilson and Haralds Karlis .

No harmful emissions , and it's not new .

 

[PiratePride]

Originally posted by shupat08:
And my point is that we will not get to the point where a "common sense policy" creating a "hybrid energy policy" is anywhere in the near future as long as political lobbying and political donations are being given by massive Oil Companies. Clean Energy Companies cannot donate and/or lobby to 1/10 the amount that Big Oil does, therefore they will not even get 1/10 of the same consideration from these Politicians who are now following lock-step with this Corporatist agenda.

Something big needs to happen to get the political and social shift we need for Politicians and Citizens to realize what is happening and what needs to be done to stop it.

So then you agree that we should be doing more drilling and exploration. Good to hear.

 

[oscar66]

Originally posted by donnie_baseball:

Originally posted by double-00:
Cars can run just fine on corn , vegetable , and soy bean oil , all the while with zero emissions .

You'll never see it though until the last drop of oil is extracted from some drill site .

The oil companies wouldn't let you have it any other way and many top politicians are securely in their back pocket .

The price of gas has always been much , much higher in Europe but that's because gas is heavily taxed to pay for their retirement and health plans in Europe .

Cars running on corn, veggie and soy run emission free? That's a new one. Any combustion produces emmissions. Agree with your sentiment about oil companies and politicians, though. What do you think of Willard's recent candy sales?

I hate to be the one to break the news to you but,it takes far more energy to convert corn, vegetable and soybean oil to a reliable energy source than the energy that would be produced.

I am all for finding green energy alternatives but the above mentioned products are not the answer.

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by oscar66:

Originally posted by donnie_baseball:

Originally posted by double-00:
Cars can run just fine on corn , vegetable , and soy bean oil , all the while with zero emissions .

You'll never see it though until the last drop of oil is extracted from some drill site .

The oil companies wouldn't let you have it any other way and many top politicians are securely in their back pocket .

The price of gas has always been much , much higher in Europe but that's because gas is heavily taxed to pay for their retirement and health plans in Europe .

Cars running on corn, veggie and soy run emission free? That's a new one. Any combustion produces emmissions. Agree with your sentiment about oil companies and politicians, though. What do you think of Willard's recent candy sales?

I hate to be the one to break the news to you but,it takes far more energy to convert corn, vegetable and soybean oil to a reliable energy source than the energy that would be produced.

I am all for finding green energy alternatives but the above mentioned products are not the answer.

The answer will be electric cars and how quickly we can recharge the battery. There are a few energy companies that are claiming they can get about 350 miles after 6 minutes of a charge.

It will demand a completely new infrastructure and a heavy investment... but this is where we need to be heading.

 

[SPK145]

How are you going to make all of that electricity?

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by SPK145:
How are you going to make all of that electricity?

However we can. It is going to happen, it is just a matter of when.

One of the best options right now is wind.

Expected to increase by at least 10x in the next 20 years. That alone would get us almost support everyone using an electric car.

In those 20 years if we can figure out how to harness the power from jet streams we could get the majority of our energy needs from wind.

 

[SPK145]

Wind (and solar) are very inefficient and costly and may be the least efficient sources of energy due to their completely inconsistent nature. Therefore, we would need to have another electricity generating station very close by that would need to be powered by other sources.

Much better alternatives are nuclear and natural gas but we never talk much about those, do we?

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by SPK145:
Wind (and solar) are very inefficient and costly and may be the least efficient sources of energy due to their completely inconsistent nature. Therefore, we would need to have another electricity generating station very close by that would need to be powered by other sources.

Much better alternatives are nuclear and natural gas but we never talk much about those, do we?

Nuclear and natural gas are fine with me, although the cost of wind (onshore) energy is quickly coming close to all other types of energy that we are using. It is predictable, entirely renewable, and again the goal would ultimately be to harness the power of wind at a much higher altitude where the potential energy is much greater.

The earthquake in Japan should make us think twice about nuclear though. Accidents happen. I would much prefer to be living next to a windfarm that goes down than a nuclear plant that goes down.

Get the smart grid running, use as much wind and natural gas as possible and use nuclear (as far away from civilization as possible) to supplement the rest until we can meet our needs from other clean renewable sources.

 

[PiratePride]

In the mean time......
This post was edited on 5/6 11:51 AM by PiratePride

$368 a month on gas.....

 

[Merge]

Originally posted by PiratePride:
In the mean time......
This post was edited on 5/6 11:51 AM by PiratePride

Exactly why we should move away from unpredictable / nonrenewable resources as quickly as possible.

 

[Section112]

The best two places to invest a lot in wind energy are Washington DC and Hollywood because those are the two places where the biggest useless windbags spend the most time.