So no one here has voted for or is going to vote for the treasonous coup-attempting felon rapist guy, right?
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This cycle was quite similar to 2016, though I think Trump had a better chance to win this one going in than he did back then. Trump vs. a cackling, entitled woman chosen by the DNC and party power brokers, with a goofy white guy named Tim as VP. The "garbage" comment and 2016's "basket of deplorables," as you said.
box, seriously, reflect on this post now given the significant electoral and popular vote win by Trump. and he also picked up support from virtually every demographic compared to 2016 and 2020.
These results went way beyond the support of his MAGA loyalists. Why?
As more data comes out, single woman votes for Harris; married woman to Trump, which actually makes sense as a wife/mother is likely to put more weight in economy, immigration and crime.
Another stat on NN; Democrats voting for Harris overwhelming (over 80%) noted reproductive rights and democracy as two most important factors. Republicans noted immigration and economy….also over 80%.
Ironic (and hilarious) that the single most self inflicted wound for Harris was from her interview on The View about her answer to what she would do differently.
What happened to climate change being an existential threat?
Another stat on NN; Democrats voting for Harris overwhelming (over 80%) noted reproductive rights and democracy as two most important factors. Republicans noted immigration and economy….also over 80%.
Ironic (and hilarious) that the single most self inflicted wound for Harris was from her interview on The View about her answer to what she would do differently.
What happened to climate change being an existential threat?
Her biggest problem was not being able to think on her feet, she was clearly in over her head. I agree that comment and those ads changed the election. Trumps ad agency hit a home run and they rode that right to the presidency. They waited knowing she would make mistakes and then capitalized on them. What would you do differently? Nothing. Brilliant response for someone running to be President. Pretty basic question. She’s going to wake up in the middle of the night for years to come hearing herself say nothing. Think we have all been there before, wishing we said something differently. Kind of thing that drives people to drink.
There's over 100 things that did her in. It's mind boggling that there are pundits out there who say she ran a flawless campaign.
It's not a surprising result at all. Harris was a poor candidate and ran a poor campaign. Trump's a long way from a good candidate, but he didn't have to be good. He just had to be better than her.
Harris' whole campaign was banking on people simply voting "against Trump" and she offered nothing to give people a reason to vote "for her." Reality is you're never going to win that way.
Harris' whole campaign was banking on people simply voting "against Trump" and she offered nothing to give people a reason to vote "for her." Reality is you're never going to win that way.
Which essentially was the same playbook for Dems in 2016, 2020 and 2024. Agree that HRC and Harris were terrible candidates. Biden was mediocre. Either get better candidates or have a better strategy.
Or both. I'm hopeful that in 4 years (or sooner, as there will likely be other attempts on his life), when Trump goes into the sunset, both sides will be able to put up more palatable candidates. Neither side should be catering to the "wing-nut" portion of the base, like robot guy, box, and boobie solo.
What I want to know more than anything is how that when it's all said and done the democrats will probably end up losing 10 million votes from 2020 to 2024. Trump's total numbers are virtually the same as 2020. Democratic votes that showed up in 2020 just didn't show up in 2024. Why? Trump will tell us because they rigged it in 2020, but what's the real answer?
I think the short answer is from paid the price for the pandemic in 2020. If that never happened, he would’ve won a second term.
Harris was a terrible choice for Biden's VP. No one voted for her in the 2020 primary. She was chosen because of her ethnicity / color and her appeal to the far left wing of the Democratic party. When the Democratic party told Biden to step aside after his debate with Trump, the Democrats were stuck with an unpopular candidate who was clearly unqualified for office. She was unable to articulate her policies if she was elected other than rhetoric that she was raised middle class and her promise of a new beginning, whatever that meant. The Democratic party banked on the Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade and Trump's misdeeds such as January 6th and subsequent court battles. The lower and middle classes were sinking under the weight of double digit inflation and rising consumer date, but she was completely unable to articulate any real solution to these problems.
I think it's because Democrats voters weren't particularly motivated to vote for Harris. Biden was popular among Democrats from his time as Obama's VP so there were a lot of people who actually wanted him to be president instead of just "not Trump." Those people weren't nearly as excited about Harris so a lot of them just didn't vote.
Effectively Biden got 2 groups of voters - the pro-Biden crowd and the anti-Trump crowd. Harris failed to convince the pro-Biden crowd so she only won the anti-Trump vote.
I find it just sad we lost 10 million voters no matter who they would have voted for.
Yes but I think the context varied a bit. In 2016 I think the Hillary campaign was just arrogant and didn't consider Trump a legitimate threat until it was clear on election night that she wasn't going to win. In 2020 the country was in turmoil from covid, democrats were deeply unhappy with Trump and his covid response in particular, and Biden was very popular from his time as Obama's VP. In 2024, they just assumed that continued dissatisfaction with Trump would be enough. I think there were some democrats that would've had a chance to beat him, but Harris was never realistically going to be one of them.
Harris was a horrible VP choice so the thought that she would be anything but the same as a Presidential candidate is laughable. The MSM gave her a wide open runway and did their best to get her launched (and she had record money to spend). A DEI candidate…period.
I don't disagree, but I also get it. Even personally, it was very easy to look at the 2 options (let's be realistic, there's only 2) and think neither of these clowns deserve my vote. I kept joking that I'd rather write in Gritty than vote for either of them and what would my 1 vote matter if I really did - until 10 million more people think similarly.
Maybe DEI, but I tend to think they overestimated the country's dislike of Trump and thought they'd be able to sneak in a more liberal candidate than they would've otherwise gone for. For example in 16 and 20 they knew Bernie was too liberal to win. They got greedy this time. And it didn't help that even many of their own party weren't thrilled with the later half of the Biden/Harris administration so she wasn't overwhelmingly popular either.
Oh, and I missed one piece. They picked a candidate that was too liberal for independents and Republicans who dislike Trump to vote for. A more centrist Democrat would've had a very good chance to win, IMO.
Wes Moore should be the face of the democrats moving forward with a Very moderate VP pick. Would need to be an experienced DC senator/congressman similar to the profile of a Joe Manchin (if the is exists moving forward- obviously not Joe as he’s retired)
Outside of that with a successful Trump term- Mayor Pete or Newsome won’t move the needle against a Vance/Desantis lineup
Outside of that with a successful Trump term- Mayor Pete or Newsome won’t move the needle against a Vance/Desantis lineup
VP candidates typically don’t matter, and in 2020 the optics of Harris probably helped a bit. IF he followed through on his promise to be a transitional President then Harris never would have made it through a primary…problem solved. The minute he decided to run the second term the risk became a potential reality. They were boxed in after his dementia meltdown and were left with a replacement that was unqualified.
It is not that a pandemic happened it is that he handled it with no empathy. How he handled it dissuaded fickle voters. I actually agree he most likely would have been elected again and had he handled it kinder he would have.
Both could be far better options than the last 2 campaigns, but I expect the trend of “person of color” to continue in the democrats agenda
That's silly. She's going to end up with more votes than Obama in both elections he had. She's got 68 million votes with only 55% of California reported. Obama never received 70 million.
My OP wasn't about the Democrats. Didn't even mention them. It was about Trump. I would have liked it to be that Trump being who he is and doing what he has done (and says he intends to do) would be disqualifying for all but the most-fringe voters. In the good old America for which boomers+- pine, it would have been. That America would pick anyone else. By definition, it would have, because Trump wouldn't have been an option to be picked. But today, he wins convincingly. I'll agree with the regressive nostalgics that that other America, if it ever existed, does not exist now. Not by a long shot. I'm deeply disappointed. But I'm not surprised.
Appreciate the answer but I really can’t find your point in there. Clearly there were Democrats that voted for Trump when looking at the results.
There are lots of reasons why what happened happened. I just don't have any particular interest in debating/discussing them.
Apologies, misread the post I replied to, I thought he was asking again about Biden voters again. I'd guess she got a lot of the Obama voters but not all. Probably held most of the partisan ones just by being registered as a Democrat, but they don't seem to have a ton in common. And I'd guess that she struggled with independent voters who went Obama's way. All just guessing though.
Well, if you mean people wouldn't have voted for a woman or an African American back then, I suppose it would. But if you mean they wouldn't vote for someone who incessantly lies about voter fraud, sought to overturn our election to hold onto power, is a felon, sexually assaulted people, talks about using the justice department to go after political enemies, has used his office to personally enrich himself and his family to the tune of billions of dollars, admires and aspires to be a dictator, racistly others minorities, etc, etc, it would not.
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I think voter fraud in 2020 is more of a question now to me than it was 4 years ago. About 135 million voters in 2016, magically the only year of mail in ballots 2020 there's almost 160 million, then 4 years later when you can vote in person we're back down to 145 million. Something isn't smelling quite right.
15 million votes don’t disappear when both parties made the biggest push on record to register new voters and have the largest in person turnouts in history.
Counting fraud, multiple ballots submitted by one person and fake/dead votes. The truth will come out.
Partially true. The Dems did not want to give up the war chest $ that Biden had. If any other candidate was chosen they didn’t get that $. She was part of the ticket so was able to use the war chest. Over $1.2B spent according to some sources. Their gamble to go with the $ didn’t pay off.
The fact that Nevada and Arizona still haven’t finished election counting is insane. Anyone who thinks this is an acceptable system is beyond delusional
