You are often not happy with choices you get in presidential election.That usually results in voting for candidate who disagrees less with your views.I think this is paramount in this election.I don’t like the way Trump conducts himself ,but not having open borders and endless wars tips the balance for me in his favor.
So no one here has voted for or is going to vote for the treasonous coup-attempting felon rapist guy, right?
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I'll make this my 1 and only political post.
Black man here. I can accept that Kamala is not perfect but for the most visible job in our country, I cannot support a man who has historically and unapologetically called for the mistreatment of anyone that is minimized in the spotlight. People who vocally support Trump are complicit in misogyny and racism. It's fine. You're allowed to be that. I don't know what can change your ways on that. You're also probably a miserable person IRL who is ok degrading anyone that's not themselves. I don't have to associate with you which also is a reason I contribute sporadically to these boards as a whole.
I'm also not naive. There's a great amount of people who follow that philosophy enough or are willing to look the other way. There's a good chance he wins this week, which is not necessarily indicative of any polls, just ya know... My life.
If Kamala wins, then I know the US elected a President who is well educated and has plans to do better than their predecessors. If Trump wins, another old white male wins (the old is what I have a problem with, btw, and same energy I had for Biden and Sanders) and nothing policy will change for the better because he has concepts of a plan.
Also, America is fine now. Anytime it was ever "great again" was when people of color and women were marginalized and demonized. Prove otherwise and cite your facts.
Black man here. I can accept that Kamala is not perfect but for the most visible job in our country, I cannot support a man who has historically and unapologetically called for the mistreatment of anyone that is minimized in the spotlight. People who vocally support Trump are complicit in misogyny and racism. It's fine. You're allowed to be that. I don't know what can change your ways on that. You're also probably a miserable person IRL who is ok degrading anyone that's not themselves. I don't have to associate with you which also is a reason I contribute sporadically to these boards as a whole.
I'm also not naive. There's a great amount of people who follow that philosophy enough or are willing to look the other way. There's a good chance he wins this week, which is not necessarily indicative of any polls, just ya know... My life.
If Kamala wins, then I know the US elected a President who is well educated and has plans to do better than their predecessors. If Trump wins, another old white male wins (the old is what I have a problem with, btw, and same energy I had for Biden and Sanders) and nothing policy will change for the better because he has concepts of a plan.
Also, America is fine now. Anytime it was ever "great again" was when people of color and women were marginalized and demonized. Prove otherwise and cite your facts.
I’m voting for Donald Trump. I am a good person with good morals, and I wish well for all human beings. If anyone feels otherwise, I’d love to meet (call, zoom, in person) and hear you out as to why I’m not. Yes looking at you SHUSA.
This is not tongue in cheek btw. I truly think the rise of social media, message boards, etc. and the anonymity they provide have allowed people to throw incredible accusations around half heartedly. We’ve really lost touch with our common humanity.
This is not tongue in cheek btw. I truly think the rise of social media, message boards, etc. and the anonymity they provide have allowed people to throw incredible accusations around half heartedly. We’ve really lost touch with our common humanity.
Exactly right. I mean, just look at the rant above from JRSlim2284. It's laughable. If you support Trump, you're a miserable person in real life and you're complicit in misogyny and racism! It's absolutely crazy to me that people actually believe this stuff. They only look at the world through the lens of racial and identity politics, which is how the radical left has gained a foothold in this nation by spewing this stuff to people who are emotionally vulnerable. It's actually pretty sad. I hope the poster can find some joy in his life in the greatest country in the world instead of coming on a message board to tell us how sad his life is and nonsensically rant about a presidential candidate.
I think that’s reasonable.
In all honesty though, conservatives have won the policy debate on the border. I wouldn’t expect much of a difference at all between the two and how the handle it. Harris would likely pass the Lankford bill. Trump would likely do the same. It’s probably also worth acknowledging though, that we would absolutely be in a better position to defend the border today had Trump not interfered because he didn’t want Dems to get a bill passed.
Any difference might come down to how to deal with those who are already here. I would lean more on the side of amnesty than deportation so I’d lean more towards Harris there.
On the forever wars, I’d agree Trump would be more of an isolationist than Harris. I’m not opposed to the idea of that being a good thing, I’m not sold on it either though.
Fwiw, anyone with children would likely do better under Harris with the expansion of child tax credits and return of personal exemptions. Fair to say single people would pay more, though I’d imagine her rate tables would not be the same as pre-TCJA if she signed a new law instead of just letting the cuts expire so I’m not convinced they would go up for anyone at this point.
It’s all due to the anonymity provided by message boards. It’s exponentially easier to call someone a racist, horrible person, etc. from behind a keyboard. Crazy that I’ve never once been called any of that in person, even in political discussions that have gotten heated.
At the end of the day, we need to remember that politics is just politics. It should never get as toxic as the things being said in this thread.
I have already prepared myself in that we will not be in a good place despite which of Harris or Trump win. There are too many people on both sides that will not accept the results and distract us from real threats to our country. I think what’s best right now is for whoever wins the Presidency the other party controls Congress.
We know our enemies are actively trying to divide us via social media and other means. The MSM and politicians have been complicit. Drove by Cabella’s last week in Hamburg and the parking lot was jammed.
I really don’t understand demeaning someone who doesn’t vote for who you want. But that also tells me the MSN and social echo chambers have broken them.
We know our enemies are actively trying to divide us via social media and other means. The MSM and politicians have been complicit. Drove by Cabella’s last week in Hamburg and the parking lot was jammed.
I really don’t understand demeaning someone who doesn’t vote for who you want. But that also tells me the MSN and social echo chambers have broken them.
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Very funny and ironic to see that @shu09, who liked this post, has repeatedly accused me of supporting terrorism.
Have you EVER for a Republican since you came of age to vote? Plenty of Democrat bad actors have been elected and re-elected over the course of US history.
Years of silly snark and now this patent garbage. Roughly half the electorate will vote for Trump for a third time and the fact that he has an even chance of winning twice in three times speaks more to the rejection of an increasingly radical left agenda than the integrity or morals of half of your countrymen, including many that have served our country and led exemplary lives.
We have a generation of people that have come up with subjective morality, and suddenly they're preaching to everyone else? Laughable.
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I agree, but as I've said from the beginning, there are many on the left who believe firmly that the Summer of George Floyd was "mostly peaceful" protests. The ones who will at least admit they were lawless riots then blame "right-wing agitators." Same difference?
I'm by no means suggesting the the majority of Catholic voters always vote republican. I'm just suggesting that for many of the ones that do, it's because of the abortion issue.
The Catholic vote as a whole is typically very close to 50/50 with the slight majority regularly flipping parties year over year.
The problem is that there were thousands of protests and demonstrations all across the country. Far majority did not turn violent though some did. On that scale they were “mostly peaceful” but obviously some turned incredibly violent and not because of agitators. I’m not aware of any politician spreading those ideas.
The violence also wasn’t happening because of a politician, and there was no politician who could have said go home and they would have listened.
That’s why I view Trump differently there. He caused the unrest by spreading lies, that he knew were lies to rile people up and while things were taking a turn for the worse on Jan 6th, he watched and refused those around him begging for him to do something to get his supporters to stop.
I honestly don’t understand how anyone can understand that fact pattern and not think it’s disqualifying.
increased taxes. but trumps tariffs get a pass? his brown nosing of putin in the worlds biggest war right now gets a pass? weaker on the world stage in what way? all that democrat govt spending you hate goes to the military. US dollar has been fine. is the govt oppressive now?
its a wash at best.
i'll again ask, do you like the direction of the country that attempts to overthrow democracy, deny fair elections, and attack the capitol?
you like THAT world? because that already happened. its not a prediction
I was going to vote for the woman who calls half of us Nazi’s because she’s running to unite the country. Then I saw the title of this post and decided to vote for Trump. If he gets elected happy to open up the attic in my house to protect anyone who wants to hide from the Nazi’s. I’ll provide some blankets, bread, water and even a light bulb.
Nobody tried to overthrow anything. That was a riot that got out of hand. It's also nearly four years ago, ancient history at this point.
Also, America is a Republic, not a Democracy.
Yes. Trump did.
He spent months trying to find a way to win after the election. They set up a scheme to have fake electors give him the electoral votes of states he didn’t win.
Jan 6th was just to delay the certification so he could find another path to win. Just because it didn’t work doesn’t mean he didn’t try. Barr had to resign because he wouldn’t go along with it.
It’s both. The leaders are democratically elected to represent us.
Figured that out all by yourself, did ya? I’m not interested in looking it up, but I also believe that the Catholic vote went with HRC over Trump.
Catholics went for Trump in 2016. 52-45.
Swung back to Biden in 2020. Assume they’ll stick with Harris this year.
yes he did!!! 100%
america is a democratic republic. you know the whole voting thing? thats democracy. thats what trump 100% tried to undermine and still says he'll undermine if he loses.
No. I’m annoyed with the process and skipping the primary, but voters get a say in who wins the presidency. They have an opportunity to reject what Democrats did.
If they put up a false slate after losing the election, to try and steal it from Trump, then it would be similar.
Did they not have a democratic process, have a clear winner and then cut off funding so the winner had no chance of success in the next step of the process and force him to withdraw?
So am I still a friend or not? I consider you a friend, and will still consider you a friend, no matter who wins.
Isn't this racist yet I've never known you to be racist?
I'll give a 2nd post on this, just cause I'm nice.
1) Why you (or anyone) are willing to look the other way on this? He's an asshole. He shows no signs of couth and to me, if I want some representing me, I need someone who doesn't let his emotions get the best of him and feel the need to condemn someone because they disagree with them. I also am the believer that any boss/C-level who has people who report to them directly that choose to leave and complain about their boss suggests the problem is him. He refuses to take any blame of anything that is negative and takes credit for anything positive, whether he had to do with or not. If you're fine working for someone like that, sounds like Stockholm Syndrome. But I wouldn't want that as my boss, let alone President.
2) I don't hate old white men (my in laws would agree with that). I don't hate anyone due to race (my friends group is diverse). But I do think there's unconscious bias of this country to feel comfortable with someone older, Caucasian and male. And before y'all get up in arms (I know the audience of this message board), y'all can argue this. I know there's a few of you that disagree with her policies, but there's a lot of media, mainstream and right leaning, who nitpick on Kamala's background as it's a major disqualifier. To that, no Republican can ever convince me that Trump was an objectively better candidate in 2016, 20 and in 24. None. The same way I didn't think Biden was a better candidate in the last 2 elections. But, most loyal and vocal voters are older and white. Subconsciously, its easy to support someone you relate to. That's Trump and Biden. That's not Haley (a better choice). That's not Harris or Buttegig (better choices). Also not Jill Stein (no, because the KKK support is auto disqualifier) or RFK (because we have common sense).
Also, you're getting upset about something potentially racist... Kinda like., I dunno, calling for the execution of 5 minority teenagers for being forced into a guilty plea among other on record accounts. And that's just 1 story. So yeah... Y'all work with that.
Still waiting for anyone to tell me why they're looking past racism and misogyny! Why are we eliminating character from the equation of the "highest office of the land?"
1) Why you (or anyone) are willing to look the other way on this? He's an asshole. He shows no signs of couth and to me, if I want some representing me, I need someone who doesn't let his emotions get the best of him and feel the need to condemn someone because they disagree with them. I also am the believer that any boss/C-level who has people who report to them directly that choose to leave and complain about their boss suggests the problem is him. He refuses to take any blame of anything that is negative and takes credit for anything positive, whether he had to do with or not. If you're fine working for someone like that, sounds like Stockholm Syndrome. But I wouldn't want that as my boss, let alone President.
2) I don't hate old white men (my in laws would agree with that). I don't hate anyone due to race (my friends group is diverse). But I do think there's unconscious bias of this country to feel comfortable with someone older, Caucasian and male. And before y'all get up in arms (I know the audience of this message board), y'all can argue this. I know there's a few of you that disagree with her policies, but there's a lot of media, mainstream and right leaning, who nitpick on Kamala's background as it's a major disqualifier. To that, no Republican can ever convince me that Trump was an objectively better candidate in 2016, 20 and in 24. None. The same way I didn't think Biden was a better candidate in the last 2 elections. But, most loyal and vocal voters are older and white. Subconsciously, its easy to support someone you relate to. That's Trump and Biden. That's not Haley (a better choice). That's not Harris or Buttegig (better choices). Also not Jill Stein (no, because the KKK support is auto disqualifier) or RFK (because we have common sense).
Also, you're getting upset about something potentially racist... Kinda like., I dunno, calling for the execution of 5 minority teenagers for being forced into a guilty plea among other on record accounts. And that's just 1 story. So yeah... Y'all work with that.
Still waiting for anyone to tell me why they're looking past racism and misogyny! Why are we eliminating character from the equation of the "highest office of the land?"
I don't disagree with Trump being an asshole but his policies and vision for the United States of America more closely aligns with mine than Harris, who has an equally poor track record with those that have worked for her. If you disagree with that, you are not being honest. You hate Trump, I get it, that's your prerogative, yet I've never heard why Harris would be a good president based on her past other than she's not Trump. BTW, how many young black men did she throw in prison over marijuana? But you do you, her values haven't changed.
You obviously haven't been around, this older white male was the biggest supporter of Haley for president.
Does Biden have character? Obviously not, see Hunter/Ukraine/etc. Does Harris have character? Obviously not, see boy toy married Willie Brown and misogynist husband Emhoff (I bet you want to smack me like Doug smacks women.) So don't cry me a river.
A few more thoughts:
Who did you vote for in 2020?
Speaking of 2020, I do remember someone reaching out to you to make sure you were OK after the George Floyd debacle. Silly older white man.
This older white male still thinks very highly of you and still will (although I'm still pissed you told me your wrong first name and let me run with it for quite a while, LOL!)
Because character isn't going to stop Iran from trying to take us out. Character isn't going to fix the homeless problem. Character isn't going to fix the cost of living problem. Character isn't going to get Putin out of the Ukraine. Character isn't solving the problems in the Middle East. Character isn't going to fix the problem at the border. We've been told we needed Trump out by democrats to change things for the better. Kamala can't even answer the question of are you better off today than 4 years ago and 4 years ago we were still figuring out this covid thing. Kamala has had the second highest office of the land the last 4 years and we haven't united as a country. so I'm not banking on that. 2nd Best President of my lifetime was Bill Clinton in my opinion, HORRIBLE CHARACTER,
I hope that helps. Next time you get a call from the credit card companies ask if you can pay in character.
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Appreciated the reach out. Had nothing to do with race. That's called being a decent human being. Even though some people here felt otherwise
Also, this game turns into whataboutism which is not what I'm seeking here. You're willing to vote for Trump despite his character. That's you, bro. I don't want to associate with anyone willing to defend him on that. I've blocked people on here and cut off people in real life for that. My health is better for it. But you seem to be hung up on the race. I'm sorry you feel that way in this instance vs historically for me. You and others can't seem to defend his character without saying things about others.
Personal feelings aside, I don't think he was ever qualified for the job. His handling of (but not limited to) Jan. 6th and COVID should disqualify him. There's no outlined policy that has come out aside from concepts of a plan. He spreads misinformation constantly (eating pets???). And again, no one can defend this honestly without invoking someone else. So it's a concession.
It's cool. Back to my main thing. Y'all wanna enable racists? Fine. I'm not ok with that. And you can find faults in Biden, Harris, Bush, Obama, whomever... But his track record shows he is objectively worse. So until you can find a way to say otherwise without invoking someone's elses name, you don't have a leg to stand on.
seriously who do you think will handle this situation better?
Iran's supreme leader threatens Israel and US with 'a crushing response' over Israeli attack
Any further attacks from either side could engulf the wider Middle East, already teetering over the Israel-Hamas war in the Gaza Strip and Israel’s ground invasion of Lebanon, into a wider regional conflict just head of the U.S. presidential election this Tuesday.
apnews.com
She's been second in command for 4 years. Let's also remember Trump is no stranger to this when it came to JV team Isis and North Korea. Obama warned Trump North Korea was our biggest threat and instead of bombs, they backed off.
It's always about whataboutism. You're supporting someone who can't answer any question without first (and usually only) bringing up the other guy, LOL. Isn't it ironic?
You're supporting someone who has low or no character. You're supporting someone who screwed their way to a career. You're supporting someone who put away lots of people of color simply because of marijuana. You support someone who believes in killing unborn babies right up to the minute of birth. Real character there. Very few have any character these days.
Obviously you don't like me (maybe never did?) and don't wish to be friends. We'll both survive, I just never want to surround myself with only the obvious echo chamber.
Old white man out.
If this is a serious question, I would probably not choose the guy who withdrew the U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal.seriously who do you think will handle this situation better?
Iran's supreme leader threatens Israel and US with 'a crushing response' over Israeli attack
Any further attacks from either side could engulf the wider Middle East, already teetering over the Israel-Hamas war in the Gaza Strip and Israel’s ground invasion of Lebanon, into a wider regional conflict just head of the U.S. presidential election this Tuesday.
She's been second in command for 4 years. Let's also remember Trump is no stranger to this when it came to JV team Isis and North Korea. Obama warned Trump North Korea was our biggest threat and instead of bombs, they backed off.
Yeah and he added tons of sanctions on them after. So it's not like he withdrew from the deal and walked away. He went about it differently than Obama, who allowed them to continue research and development on nuclear weapons. If you're cutting them off why the hell did we allow them to continue R&D? There was tons of pressure still being put on Iran just not through the Obama deal. That's the part that upsets you most.
If you're going to argue about who has more character, Trump is going to lose that every time. Also, Doug Emhoff is not who's running for president.
It really is amazing that that you would allege misogyny about Emhoff and post this kind of stuff. A lot of casual misogyny on the board these days.
So your answer is no one has character. Gimme a break. You can't answer aside from MSM talking points, which is something you of all people I find hilarious. I don't think anyone can. If you wanna play that game, you're supporting someone who wants to take free will out of people's hands. Don't argue the abortion issue, as that's a Christian value and You're supporting a "Christian" who has committed adultery times, among other things. You're supporting someone who can only say something nice to someone who says it to him 1st.
You are also condemning Harris for sleeping her way to the top? Conjecture much? At the rate you're talking, you probably think she's a "DEI hire."
Back to my original point, no one can defend his character without doing whataboutism. You can't say he's not worse than the others without lying to yourself. So again, I'll wait
Funny how the people you're saying have casual misogyny are the ones speaking out for naturally born women to not have to compete with one time males in sports. How misogynistic is that?