Get that short list ready, Pat Lyons
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Yes on the first, but negative on the second. Lonergan is a terrific coach - not flashy, but he gets it done everywhere.
As for Lavin, after his time at St. John's, I'm still convinced that he is all sizzle and no steak.
If a change is made you know names like Masiello, Cleuss, Hurley , Sha and Lonergan are going to be prominently mentioned. My list of names that should be at least looked at , and don't dismiss them out of hand , include :
Will Brown - Albany
Zack Spiker - Army
Kevin Keats - UNC - Wilmington
Andy Toole - Robert Morris
There were a couple of pretty fair coaches that came out of Army named Bobby a Knight and Coach K. and just take a peek at Keats bio.
Will Brown - Albany
Zack Spiker - Army
Kevin Keats - UNC - Wilmington
Andy Toole - Robert Morris
There were a couple of pretty fair coaches that came out of Army named Bobby a Knight and Coach K. and just take a peek at Keats bio.
Seton Hall could be an attractive job next season. I don't see Whitehead or Delgado making the jump to the NBA after this season. Crazier things have happened, but neither looks close to ready. A good coach could come in and have a very talented team of mainly Juniors. A marginal coach could take a team like that to the tournament.
Would Whitehead and/or Delgado transfer because of Willard getting fired? Doubt they would want to sit out a year and neither is here because of Willard anyway.
Maybe Lyons surprises all of us and fires Willard at the end of the year. If he goes out and spends on a coach like Crean or Ford (assuming they get canned) then we will be heading in the right direction.
Would Whitehead and/or Delgado transfer because of Willard getting fired? Doubt they would want to sit out a year and neither is here because of Willard anyway.
Maybe Lyons surprises all of us and fires Willard at the end of the year. If he goes out and spends on a coach like Crean or Ford (assuming they get canned) then we will be heading in the right direction.
I liked Toole, but don't know too much about Brown, Spiker or Keats. I'll take a look.
As far as the MAAC goes, I don't think we should eliminate coaches from that league just because our past few MAAC hires have been unsuccessful. They failed for a variety of reasons. Willard cannot lead young men, Gonzalez became increasingly unstable and had his ability to recruit curtailed by "The Boss" (and I don't mean Joe Quinlan or Bruce Springsteen), and Louis Orr was ... well, we've been through it before. His failure is a complex, multifaceted issue. But none of those guys failed at Seton Hall because they came from the MAAC. If the right fit is there, I'm interested.
Just curious where you got this tidbit from. Probably the same guy that said Auda was a great shooter.
Welcome back Flnj86. Wojo is a gangbusters recruiter, and they will take their lumps this year but he will build a really solid team in year three,As far as Lonergan coming here ,I go to quite a few of their games and I don't doubt he will leave GW, but money wise not sure we will be able to afford him.I am biting my tongue and the blood is running down my chin but trying to stick to my just letting it play out.
Hope you are fully recovered, and I pray to Mother Seton that you are right about this team.
Hope you are fully recovered, and I pray to Mother Seton that you are right about this team.
Interesting name but in his nine years at ASU he had a losing conference record and never duplicated his record at NCS . SPK when you floated Herb's name I thought about what pools we would draw our next head coach from. For me it came down to hiring a head coach from a low to mid-major conference ; an assistant from a power five conference or a recognizable name who has coached at a high profile school or in a power conference but is currently not coaching in college , like Herb , Seth , the so- called " recycled coach". Lastly there is hiring someone who has a strong connection to SH , like a certain assistant now coaching in the NBA or is an assistant coach in college BB.
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earned his way through the ranks, won and was highly competitive at non-scholarship levels; would he want to come here after one season at his current school?
Will someone please explain to me why Sha would be a good head coach? What pedigree does he have?...he played under Amaker, and no one would argue that Amaker was a good coach when he was at the Hall. What good coach has Sha learned from?
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spk how do you feel about will brown? Rick Byrd? Archie Miller, Bruiser Flint, Joe Dooley, Joe Milhalich, John Gianinni, Josh Pastner, Rob Jeter
I love Rick Byrd. One of the most fun offenses to watch in college bball. Would take him in a NY minute. Archie Miller would be a home run but we probably have a better chance of hiring Coach K. Everyone else on your list except maybe Pastner (whose teams are unwatchable to me) is mediocre or worse IMO.
Nice list, Hallgrad 80. I would eliminate Keats as his connection to l'affair Louisville is radioactive. Hard to believe he wasn't aware of that scene since his own h.s. players we beneficiaries of the favors being distributed. Spiker and Paulsen are two VERY appealing considerations. Spiker especially. Anyone who thinks Archie Miller would consider SHU is delusional.
I see that the last few posts have been about head coaches from other schools. But there are a lot of people that have posted, over the last few years, that the next Head Coach should be Shaheen Holloway. Can someone that feels that way please tell me why? Or someone that doesn't feel that way, can you tell me why someone would?
Dave Paulsen? Interesting choice.
He did a nice job while at Bucknell. However he inherited a strong program built by Pat Flannery and bolted as soon as a bigger school called. He'd do the same to Seton hall if he found success.
He did a nice job while at Bucknell. However he inherited a strong program built by Pat Flannery and bolted as soon as a bigger school called. He'd do the same to Seton hall if he found success.
To be fair, I'm not sure which of our recent coaches wouldn't do the same thing with the opportunity. Guys aren't coming here thinking they've reached the ncaab pinnacle...
Continental
A lot depends on the age of the coach when you hire him. The younger coaches will always look for bigger opportunities but hire a guy in his early to mid- fifties and if he's in a good situation he might be less ambitious in terms of moving on. Jim Laranaga ( sp) at Miami or Steve Fischer out in San Diego come to mind as examples .
I agree with you. Ben Howland will probably be at MSU for a while - and he's already got a fantastic 2016 class.
Will Brown: Too lightweight
Rick Byrd: Too old, entrenched down south
Archie Miller: Is never coming here
Bruiser Flint: Nice coach but why is everyone also so fascinated by him?
Joe Dooley: Certainly a possibility (see Section 112)
Joe Mihalich: Your kidding, right?
John Gianinni: Great guy but seems like his time has passed
Josh Pastner: Has he really done a good job???
Rob Jeter: Doesn't seem like a fit
Seton Hall plays in the Big East and it's program is one of the bottom feeders in the conference, it needs to make a pretty good splash with the next hire.
You'd think we would stand a better chance of making a splash this time around then the last time given the conference changes, seemingly better internal support within the university, and so forth.
But it always comes down to people. Do we have the right decision makers?
But it always comes down to people. Do we have the right decision makers?
When I think of the next and ideal Seton Hall coach, he should be charismatic, young, a tireless worker, great X and O's guy and someone who bleeds for the school.
Who fits those characteristics? I don't like the Sendek suggestion because I do not think he is a good fit here. A bit too past his prime and could be a bit too jaded to work as hard as the job at Seton Hall requires.
Ideally, Danny Hurley fits here perfectly. He is the home run hire. But, from what other people in the know say, he would never come here. Therefore, I don't see us getting the home run coach.
I like Kellog from UMass a lot but if he has a big season, he is going to be out of reach I fear.
Toole seems like another good candidate.
I think SPK's analysis is pretty good on the list above which nixes almost all the suggestions. But I don't like Mooney's style of basketball.
Who fits those characteristics? I don't like the Sendek suggestion because I do not think he is a good fit here. A bit too past his prime and could be a bit too jaded to work as hard as the job at Seton Hall requires.
Ideally, Danny Hurley fits here perfectly. He is the home run hire. But, from what other people in the know say, he would never come here. Therefore, I don't see us getting the home run coach.
I like Kellog from UMass a lot but if he has a big season, he is going to be out of reach I fear.
Toole seems like another good candidate.
I think SPK's analysis is pretty good on the list above which nixes almost all the suggestions. But I don't like Mooney's style of basketball.
Yes. Yes we do.
Out of genuine curiosity - is your position that he will not be "sent packing" regardless of the performance this year - or do you have a "minimum standard" below which even then he should be sent packing?
First three years at UMass he lost 29 conference games. His team and program has got much better during his 7 years as a coach including 3 consecutive 20 win seasons and an NCAA tournament berth. The last 4 years his conference record is 38-28. Looking at his coaching profile he is on the upswing. I also have watched a few games and like how his team play.
Contrast that to Willard where his team just gets worse as the years go by. I think he is a coach on the rise. Someone you can get here at Seton Hall before he blows up and becomes out of reach.
Piratz
It will come down to what the compensation package we put together looks like and that will define the pool of candidates we target when the position opens up. The size of any buyout we make could clearly have an impact on what the package we offer looks like and could handicap us in finding the right coach.
Fair enough.
And don't compare anyone to Willard, even Blaney was a better coach here.
As bad as Willard is, it is not enough to merely want better. Seton Hall needs good!!!
both coaches took jobs as retirement destinations and i don't mean this is a negative light but its certainly nice to have the perks of great weather, tremendous location, beach etc at those two schools, oh and you are gonna pay me 7 figures, great thanks
I couldn't agree with you more. Question is does the Administration believe and or have the fortitude to do what is necessary?
that is a major indictment if no ncaas, winning league record after 6 seasons; blaney, gonzo, orr all did better and had less tenure
Dooley is awful. I'd rather just keep Willard next year if that's who we are going to hire.
Hurley would be a great get. I think for the right price he can be had.
Crean, Ford and Weber are all on the hot seat. I'd take any one of them. All are proven winners.
Hurley would be a great get. I think for the right price he can be had.
Crean, Ford and Weber are all on the hot seat. I'd take any one of them. All are proven winners.
Is that your prediction or is it your belief that he SHOULD stay? Or both of those things?
what has crean done without d wade? what has travis ford really done, bruce weber is like paul hewitt one great run to a final four with a stacked roster and then what? i know all have has way more success than kw but they are flashy and costly names
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