Yea these guys suck! Take the extremely talented players they bring in out of the equation and theyre nothing!
Get that short list ready, Pat Lyons
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tom crean was a ralph willard assistant at wku and pitt
crean makes over 3 mil a year, of all 3 would take ford but why would he want to come here
I might as well eat two dozen white castle sliders and start volume production from both ends.
I may have to answer my own question.
Apropos of nothing, I see the reports that the LSU boosters are willing to raise $15-$20 Million to buy out Les Miles.
I'll take the blue pill please.
Sigh.
Apropos of nothing, I see the reports that the LSU boosters are willing to raise $15-$20 Million to buy out Les Miles.
I'll take the blue pill please.
Sigh.
I think you're probably kidding. If you're not, you do realize that you just put up a proposed list that included Dr. John Gianini, Joe Dooley and Bruiser Fn Flint before pointing out the supposed flaws in three guys that have made a collective 24 NCAA tournaments, right?
Here is a thought. Why don't we get behind Willard for the time being and support the coach and our team that's looking to play and hopefully play well for us, the supposed fans. They do feed a bit on our energy, which they won't get on this board. And to think that Desi said this weekend that one of the things he enjoys most is the SHU fans. Thank god he doesn't read this rag board.
The posters on this board are the most dedicated Seton Hall basketball fans. We are the season ticket holders, the people who have attended basketball games in more often than not in mediocre to bad seasons. Despite those mediocre to bad seasons for the past 20 years, our fans and many of them are on this board travel to see our team in places like Charleston.
So before you call out this board, remember these posters will be here supporting Seton Hall Basketball way after Willard becomes a faint memory.
NJIT played Providence though tonight 83-76. Jim Engles is a very impressive coach.
its called casting a wide net; a hot run by one of these teams into march and the head coach will become coveted
If KW cannot turn it around this year, we'd be insane not to target a proven coach with an NCAA appearance. We've gone the training ground route 3 times in our past 4 hires. I don't care if he's from a mid-major, major-major, Major Leagues, whatever.
Give me a guy who knows what he's doing and has a plan. Enough.
Give me a guy who knows what he's doing and has a plan. Enough.
Ah what would we do without The MAAC to find our head coach . Other then Amaker who was an assistant at Duke, our head coaches have come from;
KW - Iona
BG - Manhattan
LO - Siena
TA - Duke
GB - HC
PJ - Wagner
RR- SH
All the above were head coaches from low to mid- majors other then Tommy who was an assistant at Duke and Richie who was an assistant at SH.. I just point out where we have looked to find our head coaches and to expect that to change may be unrealistic.
Please no more coaches from the MAAC. It has run its course after 15 years. Hall needs a guy that has proven to get to the tourney before and not from a lesser school. Someone who actually knows how to run a basketball program. The problem is that Seton Hall ain't gonna pay or should say over pay to get someone like that. Other coaches know what Willard makes and gonna say you "paid this guy that much money to be this many games under .500 in the league." But I don't see the administration shelling out more money for men's basketball so probably gonna be at the bottom of the conference for years to come.
It's not about the conference the coach comes from, it's about finding the right guy.
Look at the Big East for a few examples... Specifically Cooley and Wright coming from smaller schools. Purnell had tons of experience and how did that work out? McDermott is a good coach, but his best achievement was producing a son instead of a daughter....
You can cherry pick coaching hires from all over the country to highlight the good or the bad... It comes down to finding the right guy for your specific program at the right time, regardless of the conference he comes from.
When Willard got hired, I remember reading the news that Sunday afternoon and not feeling the excitement that Hobbs and Co. felt. It wasn't because Willard was a MAAC guy, it was because he just didn't feel like a particularly exciting addition for the school or program. That's what desperately needs to happen the next time around. (I admit Gonzo seemed to be an exciting hire when he was brought in, but anyone who knew any Manhattan stories also knew it was a dangerous hire, which was proven all-too correct).
Look at the Big East for a few examples... Specifically Cooley and Wright coming from smaller schools. Purnell had tons of experience and how did that work out? McDermott is a good coach, but his best achievement was producing a son instead of a daughter....
You can cherry pick coaching hires from all over the country to highlight the good or the bad... It comes down to finding the right guy for your specific program at the right time, regardless of the conference he comes from.
When Willard got hired, I remember reading the news that Sunday afternoon and not feeling the excitement that Hobbs and Co. felt. It wasn't because Willard was a MAAC guy, it was because he just didn't feel like a particularly exciting addition for the school or program. That's what desperately needs to happen the next time around. (I admit Gonzo seemed to be an exciting hire when he was brought in, but anyone who knew any Manhattan stories also knew it was a dangerous hire, which was proven all-too correct).
Seems as if Iona is the becoming the new version Miami of Ohio of future basketball coaching greats, huh?
Cluess' team beats Marquette by 20, but his kids don't defend.
What are you talking about. Marquette hasn't played Iona this year and Finj's post was a score for Iowa not Iona .
Be curious to see which conferences all of Xavier's coaches came from. Lloyde is right...not the conference, but knowing how to hire a winner, or better yet, someone who can win with the support and resources you give him. Xavier seems to get it right, and not by accident.
They have a nice pipeline of "Xavier Men" and continuity of sorts. It's pretty interesting, actually.
Current HC Chris Mack went to Xavier and was on the staff of the late Skip Prosser, following Prosser to Wake Forest before returning to Xavier under Sean Miller, who he ultimately succeeded as HC. Miller was on Thad Matta's staff, who replaced Prosser.
Prosser was an assistant there for a long time under Pete GIllen before returning in the mid-90's as HC before going to Wake Forest.
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While I agree that you can find the right coach from one of the non- power 5 conferences it's not as simple as that. Even assuming you find the right man the challenge to sign him will not be easy. If he's perceived as a "Hot Coach" and widely pursued , particularly by the power 5 schools , it would be difficult to top their offer . Plus SH has several major handicaps in any pursuit of that type of coach. First its reputation as a graveyard for coaches ,its lack of on - court success for years and the constraints on the compensation package it could offer all make it difficult for us.
Can we find the right coach to lead us out of this morass I would say we can but Lyons will have to have his man in mind and move quickly .
Can we find the right coach to lead us out of this morass I would say we can but Lyons will have to have his man in mind and move quickly .
And pj was from the lowest conference with the fewest accomplishments. You just never know.
I see what you're saying but at some point we have to stop making excuses. Schools in our conference are making decisions and attracting talent. If you're AD and President are good they should be able to attract talent and articulate a compelling vision. Pat needs to get it right.
I'm on the same page as you are 85 but my major concern remains the impact the buyout will have on any future decision we make concerning who will lead this program.Unfortunately that's reality not an excuse .
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