Good luck to our kids

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Very sobering report on the future of our world.

U.N. climate change report sounds 'code red for humanity'

Global warming is dangerously close to spiralling out of control, a U.N. climate panel said in a landmark report Monday, warning the world is already certain to face further climate disruptions for decades, if not centuries, to come.

www.reuters.com

 

[shufan1993]

Very sobering report on the future of our world.

U.N. climate change report sounds 'code red for humanity'

Global warming is dangerously close to spiralling out of control, a U.N. climate panel said in a landmark report Monday, warning the world is already certain to face further climate disruptions for decades, if not centuries, to come.

www.reuters.com

Fear, fear, and more fear!

Once covid is over, this will be on the news 24/7.

 

[HallBall02]

Agree.

If there is a large portion of folks who don’t care about our fellow humans living now (with refusing to get a vaccine or wear a mask with covid), it’s going to be an uphill battle having them care about future generations with global warming.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Fear, fear, and more fear!

Once covid is over, this will be on the news 24/7.

I don't think its fear to not rape pillage and plunder our own planet. Having some standard to curb pollution & emissions is being a good steward for the future.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Agree.

If there is a large portion of folks who don’t care about our fellow humans living now (with refusing to get a vaccine or wear a mask with covid), it’s going to be an uphill battle having them care about future generations with global warming.

True

 

[shufan1993]

I don't think its fear to not rape pillage and plunder our own planet. Having some standard to curb pollution & emissions is being a good steward for the future.

If you think this is such a huge issue, what have you done personally to make this planet a more eco friendly place? Did you refuse plastic bags when grocery markets gave them out?

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

If you think this is such a huge issue, what have you done personally to make this planet a more eco friendly place? Did you refuse plastic bags when grocery markets gave them out?

As a matter of fact I recently bought the reusable grocery bags to limit my plastic bag use. I also bought decomposable bags for my dogs crap.

What did you do?

 

[shufan1993]

As a matter of fact I recently bought the reusable grocery bags to limit my plastic bag use. I also bought decomposable bags for my dogs crap.

What did you do?

Good for you! I have been using the reusable bag for around 5 years now. Of course I haven't been out for a year and a half now.

I also bought a Tesla a few year back as well.

 

[sami]

Fear, fear, and more fear!

Once covid is over, this will be on the news 24/7.

@shufan1993 so you admit that covid will be over. I thought you said it will be here forever? I thought you said that variants will be here for years and that we'll be wearing masks as the earth turns into a vast wasteland? How can covid ever be over? I thought you said the markets feared the Delta variant? What's a bigger threat to financial markets, covid or global warning? Will your hazmat suit protect you from elevated CO2 levels?

 

[shufan1993]

@shufan1993 so you admit that covid will be over. I thought you said it will be here forever? I thought you said that variants will be here for years and that we'll be wearing masks as the earth turns into a vast wasteland? How can covid ever be over? I thought you said the markets feared the Delta variant? What's a bigger threat to financial markets, covid or global warning? Will your hazmat suit protect you from elevated CO2 levels?

Yes I did say COVID will be over. It will at some point. I never said it will be here forever. Can you please point to the post I said that? But I still don't see it being over until 4 or 5 years down the line. That's just the state we are in. I already read the Paris 2024 Olympics are already preparing for an Olympics without fans based on the feedback doctors and experts have given them.

And I agree what I said masks will be around forever. I still think that. The governor said in that he hopes mask wearing isn't a permanent step. But it looks like thats the direction we are going in.

 

[shu09]

Very sobering report on the future of our world.

U.N. climate change report sounds 'code red for humanity'

Global warming is dangerously close to spiralling out of control, a U.N. climate panel said in a landmark report Monday, warning the world is already certain to face further climate disruptions for decades, if not centuries, to come.

www.reuters.com

Everything is a "crisis." This is the next thing they'll try to scare and distract you with.

There certainly are more efficient changes that can be made, but it's the height of human arrogance to believe we can control the climate. It is not an existential threat by any means.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Everything is a "crisis." This is the next thing they'll try to scare and distract you with.

There certainly are more efficient changes that can be made, but it's the height of human arrogance to believe we can control the climate. It is not an existential threat by any means.

Agree to disagree. I'll take the scientists over the message board guy.

 

[Merge]

Everything is a "crisis." This is the next thing they'll try to scare and distract you with.

Next thing? Inconvenient truth came out 15 years ago. Not like this is a new scare tactic.

it's the height of human arrogance to believe we can control the climate.

Thinking our activity here might have an impact on climate is more arrogant than thinking that we can do whatever we want with no impact?

 

[shu09]

Agenda 2030 and 2050. Read about it.

 

[Merge]

Agenda 2030 and 2050. Read about it.

I have. Now what?

 

[shu09]

I have. Now what?

Use your brain and connect the dots. You're a smart guy.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

I choose to believe the history of earths temperature goes in cycles. Like the previous 800,000 years there will be rises and coolings in temperature.

Hasn't Earth warmed and cooled naturally throughout history?

Earth has warmed in the past due to changes in the Sun, volcanic eruptions, and naturally occurring increases in greenhouse gases. Our ability to understand and explain past changes is one reason we are confident that recent changes are due to humans.

www.climate.gov

 

[chickenbox]

This is the crisis of crises, not a flavor of the month or fear mongering. And for a second, set aside whether it is caused by humans or not. It doesn't matter. Just like it wouldn't matter if it were our fault if an asteroid were on a crash course with the planet. We'd still try to blow it up. What matters is what's happening and what's going to happen.

The problem is that individual good practices like using reusable bags isn't going to move the needle one iota. Hell, I've been vegan since 2013 and have no delusion that that has had any climate change impact that matters. The solutions to this need to be expansive, massive, and varied.

And even if we earnestly come up with genius stuff and actually do it, the odds are still stacked against us Earth, and all of our fellow earthlings. But what other good option do we have than to try, even if individually the extent of our impact is just practicing and modeling more responsible behaviors to hopefully affect positive change in others?

 

[Merge]

Use your brain and connect the dots. You're a smart guy.

People making idealistic goals about what they want the world to look like years from now doesn't really concern me much. We've been doing that forever and we will have an agenda 2070, 2100, 2121 and whatever.

 

[cernjSHU]

I have. Now what?

It is the same story with Shu09, it is a global conspiracy with the elites. Although when you think about it, the oil industry are the elites. So doesn't this disrupt their business? Ah But, inconsistent logic does not bother a guy like Shu09.

 

[Merge]

I choose to believe the history of earths temperature goes in cycles. Like the previous 800,000 years there will be rises and coolings in temperature.

Hasn't Earth warmed and cooled naturally throughout history?

Earth has warmed in the past due to changes in the Sun, volcanic eruptions, and naturally occurring increases in greenhouse gases. Our ability to understand and explain past changes is one reason we are confident that recent changes are due to humans.

www.climate.gov

Many of which were caused by certain events like asteroids hitting the earth, large volcanic eruptions etc... That is not to say that we are not able to impact the climate ourselves.

 

[Merge]

This is the crisis of crises, not a flavor of the month or fear mongering. And for a second, set aside whether it is caused by humans or not. It doesn't matter. Just like it wouldn't matter if it were our fault if an asteroid were on a crash course with the planet. We'd still try to blow it up. What matters is what's happening and what's going to happen.

The problem is that individual good practices like using reusable bags isn't going to move the needle one iota. Hell, I've been vegan since 2013 and have no delusion that that has had any climate change impact that matters. The solutions to this need to be expansive, massive, and varied.

And even if we earnestly come up with genius stuff and actually do it, the odds are still stacked against us Earth, and all of our fellow earthlings. But what other good option do we have than to try, even if individually the extent of our impact is just practicing and modeling more responsible behaviors to hopefully affect positive change in others?

But what if we try and fail and create a better world in the meantime for nothing?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Many of which were caused by certain events like asteroids hitting the earth, large volcanic eruptions etc... That is not to say that we are not able to impact the climate ourselves.

Sure we can impact the climate ourselves. And if the earth gets too hot it will find a way to naturally cool itself down. Mother nature seems to do a pretty good job.

What I question is why haven't I seen anyone say get rid of roads. Normally mother nature would absorb the rain. With all these roads why aren't people yelling for less roads, which create steam as opposed to absorbing rain.

 

[SHUMA04]

It is the same story with Shu09, it is a global conspiracy with the elites. Although when you think about it, the oil industry are the elites. So doesn't this disrupt their business? Ah But, inconsistent logic does not bother a guy like Shu09.

Not necessarily. Such logic can work like such:



"Global elites have no use for a strong, independent American middle class. It makes America -- long isolated by its continental size and two large oceans -- much harder to bring into alignment with the global power structure. One of the pillars (not the only one) of a strong, independent American middle class is economic independence brought about by its historically high living standards.

The foundation of American prosperity since the Industrial Revolution is what is by far is the world's largest stockpile of carbon based energy (oil, gas, coal). By stigmatizing the consumption of carbon based energy, the natural economic advantage of the United States and its unique ability to sustain a large, prosperous middle class is negated. Further, the natural advantage that allowed America to dominate the two World Wars of the 20th century -- its ability to supply oil for itself and its allies -- is also negated.

The other powerful actors on the world stage -- Europe, China -- are massively short carbon based energy. By forcing everyone to "renewable energy" -- wind and solar are rather far more equally distributed globally -- the global balance of power tilts away from the United States back to where things were before oil became so crucial to global economic and military dominance."



Actually, while the narrative may or may not be true, it is hardly illogical.

 

[Merge]

Sure we can impact the climate ourselves. And if the earth gets too hot it will find a way to naturally cool itself down. Mother nature seems to do a pretty good job.

What I question is why haven't I seen anyone say get rid of roads. Normally mother nature would absorb the rain. With all these roads why aren't people yelling for less roads, which create steam as opposed to absorbing rain.

Well... Because we need to use them? No one is saying stop using light bulbs and just use Sunlight.
Just be intentional in how you treat the earth. We won't get everything 100% ideal, but we can do better and should try.

 

[Merge]

Not necessarily. Such logic can work like such:



"Global elites have no use for a strong, independent American middle class. It makes America -- long isolated by its continental size and two large oceans -- much harder to bring into alignment with the global power structure. One of the pillars (not the only one) of a strong, independent American middle class is economic independence brought about by its historical living standards.

The foundation of American prosperity since the Industrial Revolution is what is by far is the world's largest stockpile of carbon based energy (oil, gas, coal). By stigmatizing the consumption of carbon based energy, the natural economic advantage of the United States and its unique ability to sustain a large, prosperous middle class is negated. Further, the natural advantage that allowed America to dominate the two World Wars of the 20th century -- its ability to supply oil for itself and its allies -- is also negated.

The other powerful actors on the world stage -- Europe, China -- are massively short carbon based energy. By forcing everyone to "renewable energy" -- wind and solar are rather far more equally distributed globally -- the global balance of power tilts away from the United States back to where things were before oil became so crucial to global economic and military dominance."



Actually, while the narrative may or may not be true, it is hardly illogical.

That's implying we can not develop a large sustainable middle class with major investments in clean energy? The energy that the rest of the world will be using? We should just sit back and watch as other countries get to develop the technology that could be our next industrial revolution?

 

[SHUMA04]

That's implying we can not develop a large sustainable middle class with major investments in clean energy? The energy that the rest of the world will be using? We should just sit back and watch as other countries get to develop the technology that could be our next industrial revolution?

Consider (a) the full cost structure (including subsidies, ITCs, carbon trading etc) of carbon and renewable energy, and then (2) the relative difference in terms of both cost structure as well as distribution of supply (relative among nations).

Then consider the fact that carbon based energy has an integrated global market and supply chain whereas renewable energy has intensely localized markets and supply chains (eg "distributed grid").

Finally, consider the vulnerability of an electrified economy to a foreign cyberattacks.

Again, I am relatively open to both sides of the carbon and renewable arguments but just pointing out that there is a credible and logical narrative why "global elites" would want to push a major change in the energy sector.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Well... Because we need to use them? No one is saying stop using light bulbs and just use Sunlight.
Just be intentional in how you treat the earth. We won't get everything 100% ideal, but we can do better and should try.

We can do better. There's no doubt about it. But the world will end when God wants it to end, not because of our use of oil, plastics, etc. All this fear spreading is worthless and does more harm than good. They'd be better off persuading people to do better than use scare tactics. There are other ways to make things happen. The people spreading fear can do better and should try.

 

[chickenbox]

We can do better. There's no doubt about it. But the world will end when God wants it to end, not because of our use of oil, plastics, etc. All this fear spreading is worthless and does more harm than good. They'd be better off persuading people to do better than use scare tactics. There are other ways to make things happen. The people spreading fear can do better and should try.

Maybe God wants us to work on the stuff so the world doesn't end.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

We can do better. There's no doubt about it. But the world will end when God wants it to end, not because of our use of oil, plastics, etc. All this fear spreading is worthless and does more harm than good. They'd be better off persuading people to do better than use scare tactics. There are other ways to make things happen. The people spreading fear can do better and should try.

Dude how is a scientific report of what will happen to our planet spreading fear? Were adults, we can handle reading it, and can also make changes in our lives.

 

[Merge]

We can do better. There's no doubt about it. But the world will end when God wants it to end, not because of our use of oil, plastics, etc.

Or, God has given us this wonderful planet to live on. All we need to do is treat it well for the short time we are here for those who would be after us and humanity gets to keep it as long as we take care of it.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Dude how is a scientific report of what will happen to our planet spreading fear? Were adults, we can handle reading it, and can also make changes in our lives.

We can't predict the weather 24 hours in advance and we're going to rely on this as absolute scientic fact...You can, I won't.

It's just as much spreading fear that there will be 80 inches of snow superbowl Sunday....no body knows but someone can run some algarhythm of triangulation that says it's going to happen. We're adults we can handle it, but the idea of someone predicting the weather that far out is absurd. This is just as absurd and puts it in the same category as spreading fear.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Or, God has given us this wonderful planet to live on. All we need to do is treat it well for the short time we are here for those who would be after us and humanity gets to keep it as long as we take care of it.

What is the definition of treating it well?

Should we get rid of roads and regrow grass as what was originally there? 100 years from now some scientist is going to come along and tell us why electricity is bad for the environment and how all the electric cars are a problem.

 

[Section112]

We need to set sustainable goals to improve our futures. Countries including China need to actually improve and I think they are a huge risk with all of this. I laugh at China's numbers and what they disclosed recently saying they have improved because you know they are not true at all. They are a much bigger risk to the environment than we are but it doesn't matter as we have to do our part and stop whining. You always want to leave a place a little better than when you got there. That is a basic rule of living I believe.

If you subscribe, there was a very good article in the WSJ in Feb or March based on a significant study completed by the Univ of Toronto that studied if the US could significantly change the percentage of gasoline fueled cars to EVs. https://www.wsj.com/graphics/are-electric-cars-really-better-for-the-environment/
To make EVs you do a lot of damage to the environment (cobalt and nickel mining; manufacture of lithium batteries) and it takes significantly more carbon and emissions to create an EV vs a regular gasoline powered car. But according to the study, after each car is driven about 25,000 miles the tide turns in favor of EVs and EVs get way better from an environmental perspective once you drive each car 100,000 miles and more. It was an eye opening study for me and helped me reconcile many of the arguments you hear. EVs are the future and hopefully the technology gets better with each model to extend the distance they can travel and with the addition of charging stations so they are more palatible to Americans. And hopefully they create other alternatives too. It is certainly a transition worth taking for our kids and grandkids futures. I looked into Solar a while back and it did not pay at all (35 yr payback minimum) but things are changing there too and I plan to look into it again very soon. There are lots of things we can do to help the environment but our policies need to be reasonable and achievable and it is certainly worth striving for IMO. You have to step back and weigh the benefits and costs of anything and at least try. Doing what we can to leave a better world for our kids and grandkids is kind of an easy decision for me and if that means giving up my gas powered car and investing in solar to try and do my part I'm up for it. I may change my mind once I do it but I'm gonna try. Will everyone at least try to do their part and do what they can? Its well worth a shot I believe.

 

[HALL85]

I believe we should take individual responsibility to be good stewards of the earth. I don’t litter; I recycle my trash; we own “practical” luxury cars that get good gas mileage; we don’t own a second vacation home; etc. Everytime I read a story like this, my first question is “What’s the plan?”. “Let’s just do stuff” is not a strategy. Wasting time, human Resources, capital, energy without a plan will not solve the problem while bankrupting the country. It’s just another political football meant to divide.

Greta Thornburg? Please. Propping up a child to make demands is pathetic.

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

I believe we should take individual responsibility to be good stewards of the earth. I don’t litter; I recycle my trash; we own “practical” luxury cars that get good gas mileage; we don’t own a second vacation home; etc. Everytime I read a story like this, my first question is “What’s the plan?”. “Let’s just do stuff” is not a strategy. Wasting time, human Resources, capital, energy without a plan will not solve the problem while bankrupting the country. It’s just another political football meant to divide.

Greta Thornburg? Please. Propping up a child to make demands is pathetic.

Ooffff it's so predictable who will have the crap takes. Right on que Hall85 jumps in.

Why is we need to do better political?

 

[shu09]

Dude how is a scientific report of what will happen to our planet spreading fear? Were adults, we can handle reading it, and can also make changes in our lives.

Have you ever questioned or researched who funds these alarmist scientists?

 

[HALL85]

Ooffff it's so predictable who will have the crap takes. Right on que Hall85 jumps in.

Why is we need to do better political?

Wow, that’s your take on my post? Wow

 

[anon_ezos2e9wn1ob0]

Wow, that’s your take on my post? Wow

Wow.

 

[HALL85]

Wow.

You are having a triggered day my friend. Chill.