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Holloway Postgame
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I didn't watch the game yesterday because I had stuff with my kids. So I only watched highlights. I can't say specifically who was not trying because there is no structure to this team, but I can easily see them tune Shaheen out.
I can just say, by watching Shaheen's sideline demeanor throughout the years, and him chew out kids like he does, that act goes sour very quickly especially when you arent winning. No one enjoys being berated in front of 10 to 15 thousand people. Getting in a kids face and screaming at them like he does is an extremely poor look. No one enjoys seeing their friend/teammate berated either-- and that stuff has an effect on a ton of players.
That type of coaching might work when you have a relationship with a kid for a few years, but those relationships don't exist anymore. If your name is Pitino, Calipari, Hurley, Izzo, McDermott (and a handful of others) you can do it, but you can't act like this and not deal with the repercussions.. And you can say all you want about being soft with kids these days, but screaming at them like he does and acting like he does on the sidelines is very unbecoming of a Division 1 Basketball Coach who is the face of the university. I can only imagine how he acts towards them during practice.
And then there was an issue with Neptune at the end of the game, where Sha was trying to avoid shaking his hand to act like he was coaching. This is childish behavior to the max. And when all these kids are free agents and they have handlers in their ear and they see that stuff day after day they tune him out because they don't want to deal with that nonsense.
I can just say, by watching Shaheen's sideline demeanor throughout the years, and him chew out kids like he does, that act goes sour very quickly especially when you arent winning. No one enjoys being berated in front of 10 to 15 thousand people. Getting in a kids face and screaming at them like he does is an extremely poor look. No one enjoys seeing their friend/teammate berated either-- and that stuff has an effect on a ton of players.
That type of coaching might work when you have a relationship with a kid for a few years, but those relationships don't exist anymore. If your name is Pitino, Calipari, Hurley, Izzo, McDermott (and a handful of others) you can do it, but you can't act like this and not deal with the repercussions.. And you can say all you want about being soft with kids these days, but screaming at them like he does and acting like he does on the sidelines is very unbecoming of a Division 1 Basketball Coach who is the face of the university. I can only imagine how he acts towards them during practice.
And then there was an issue with Neptune at the end of the game, where Sha was trying to avoid shaking his hand to act like he was coaching. This is childish behavior to the max. And when all these kids are free agents and they have handlers in their ear and they see that stuff day after day they tune him out because they don't want to deal with that nonsense.
Good points, but I think you may have misinterpreted that handshake. Moments before Sha and Neptune were seen talking. My guess is that they had already congratulated each othet on game. So, the handshake you saw was a secondary deal and not Sha doing anything wrong. Thats how I saw it.
Your defense can score points for you if you run after steals and have a good fast break offense. We walk it.
This hopeless optimist was disappointed last night. I expected to see continued improvement. I am mad at my son. Was talking to him last night and he gave me is Peacock password so I watched he second half...
I used to say that some of the guys in the early KW years played defense like it was just time to waste till we got the ball again. Now we waste the time on offense doing nothing. Every game, we hear the announcer rightly suggest we need to do some things (the freaking ABCs for Gods sake) on offense, to get better looks. It is like we watched the best Jay Wright team's possessions and made a pact to never do those things.
Would we be better off with Sha and the current NIL budget or a HC who makes 1mm/yr with an extra $2mm for our yearly NIL budget?
This is so ugly. I can't believe we have 3 months + of this
It's going to be embarrassing to see attendance during this conference play
It's going to be embarrassing to see attendance during this conference play
only 75% full at the Pavilion last night. Everyone loves a front-runner.
For me i don"t have that much issue with the coach's compensation. That's the going rate in a Power conference. The NIL budget is a separate entity. We are in the "Moving Forward" Phase at Seton Hall. Unfortunately, we picked a bad time to have a possible historically bad season. My bigger issue would be that if you are making a salary like that then you have to be dialed into all aspects of the deal especially the recruiting process. So if the. NIL currently restricts you from obtaining Tier 1 and Tier 2 recruits, then you must get the Best basketball player Tier 3 recruits. That doesn't seem to be the case.
You are 100% correct. We take way too long to get started and then we pass it back and forth in the backcourt and next thing you know the shot clock is under 10 seconds. It's maddening.
I want to punch the wall whenever Wusu does anything on offense. But if you don't have much of an offense in place it's hard to blame players for trying to create offense on their own. What would Sha or anyone else expect that they do?
One day I"ll go back and look at the games from the St.Peter's run. The defensive philosophy is probably the same. Obviously, those players were on max focus and an elevated intensity level. Not sure now in the third year what the offensive system is? It appears he wants big physical players to improvise and attack the rim. That's the gist of the formula. Everything else is gravy. Not to say guys don't heave up shots from the perimeter. Dre Davis was excellent because he could attack the rim, create his own sometimes difficult shot and also hit some threes. The other recruits can do some of that, but no consistency at all.
It seems his offense is "go play offense!" and that's it.
It'd be like when you were in high school your English or history teacher saying: "Go write an essay!" but never teaching you how to write the essay properly and then getting upset when the essays are garbage.
It'd be like when you were in high school your English or history teacher saying: "Go write an essay!" but never teaching you how to write the essay properly and then getting upset when the essays are garbage.
Grant with a 1Mil salary and a 3Million dollar NIL budget would go further than the 2.5Mil salary for Sha with 1.5NIL
If that were his directive, I doubt the guys would always stand around the three-point line / do the weave until there's less than ten seconds on the shot clock.
At this point, "go play offense" could be an upgrade
Sha had the best offense of his career last year. Why is that? Because he had a bunch of guys who could create a shot for themselves (and convert it) and played well together with continuity. And the addition of Bediako was gold, unlike this year’s transfers.
Who on this team is backing down an opponent ? Who is driving the lane to score? Who is exploiting a mismatch? These guys – outside Coleman who is improving in that area – usually have no clue what to do with the ball (see tempo), let alone having a plan. Dual is moving a bit better too. Middleton and Jenkins could be nice catch-and-shoot types, but you’d have to pass the ball for that. How many times has Okorafor gotten the ball and blew it? A far cry from Bediako. Watching Aligbe try to drive and spin is a real trip, not exactly Dre Davis.
Sha has a high tolerance for players on offense who operate like mad men. How many crazy things did we see from Dawes over the years? Does anyone watch Addae-Wusu play?
Who on this team is backing down an opponent ? Who is driving the lane to score? Who is exploiting a mismatch? These guys – outside Coleman who is improving in that area – usually have no clue what to do with the ball (see tempo), let alone having a plan. Dual is moving a bit better too. Middleton and Jenkins could be nice catch-and-shoot types, but you’d have to pass the ball for that. How many times has Okorafor gotten the ball and blew it? A far cry from Bediako. Watching Aligbe try to drive and spin is a real trip, not exactly Dre Davis.
Sha has a high tolerance for players on offense who operate like mad men. How many crazy things did we see from Dawes over the years? Does anyone watch Addae-Wusu play?
He knows they stink, he also knows the rest of the team stinks. There’s really not much he can do. He’s not a magician.
Is it your assertion that no other coaches in the country or even just our conference could be doing better with these players than Shaheen has done?
I think that's a wild take when you consider the caliber of some of the coaches in the Big East alone. And that's no knock on Sha. It's also hard to gage because player evaluation is part and parcel of coaching, how certain players are utilized, how certain players are developed, and what they are being asked to do as part of an overall scheme.
Shupat, did your English or history teacher fail you? This is a very specific analogy that you've conjured up. Time to let it go! LOL
Nope, I can write a hell of an essay. Trust.
I agree. I know I've raised this in another post but how can all of these players brought in, whether it be in the basket of players who were 4-star recruits out of high school with potential (Middleton, Dual, Yalden) or the basket of players brought in with some modicum of success at a lower level (Jenkins, Toumi) or Aligbe who came over from BC having played some significant minutes there, not show any improvement or, worse, taken steps back from last year? I think it is fair to at least ask whether Coach Sha is putting them in the best position to succeed. This is not a team that should be run out of the gym by Monmouth. I'm sorry.
To me, it seems Sha took the best athletes who wanted to work hard. But that’s not really a team of players that addresses each component of a defensive and offensive scheme.
I know good shooters tend to carry an attitude or are stubborn, but they’ve earned it and you need them.
I don’t think Sha took players he needed. He took the players he thought he could mold and ones he liked.
And there’s a difference.
I know good shooters tend to carry an attitude or are stubborn, but they’ve earned it and you need them.
I don’t think Sha took players he needed. He took the players he thought he could mold and ones he liked.
And there’s a difference.
Gotta recruit guys who can hit from the charity stripe. Ok not every player, but please a majority.
Even as limited as we are offensively, we would look much better on that end if we had anybody capable of running an offense.
Dual is serviceable at best (though improving) but far from someone who can make the offense flow well enough to cover for all of the issues we have offensively.
And he appears to be the best of the lot. I'm not sure that is Felton's role eventually and anybody else we use in that spot simply isn't effective enough.
Dual is serviceable at best (though improving) but far from someone who can make the offense flow well enough to cover for all of the issues we have offensively.
And he appears to be the best of the lot. I'm not sure that is Felton's role eventually and anybody else we use in that spot simply isn't effective enough.
It would make a huge difference in creating space, lanes, and flow, it would improve the tempo, and it would out guys in their normal roles. I am surprised we whiffed so badly to think running DAW out there was a good idea.
This team also misses so many shots it’s unreal.
Do you guys watch basketball other than Seton Hall? Nobody runs some sort of great offense anymore. The PG position has been largely eliminated.
Everything nowadays is a pick n roll, drive and finish or kick for a 3. Should it be this way, no. But that’s what just about every team does. Read any other message boards or articles and all you’ll see is complaints about lack of offense and the coach being clueless.
Each team has maybe 5 plays they run randomly throughout a game but long gone are the days of coming across half court and setting up a play.
With that said, our PG play could definitely be better but it’s far from the biggest issue.
Really because next season the school is allowed to allocate $s and I was responding to a posters question
Spot on. What makes our offense so inept is we're horrible at setting & using picks both on & off the ball. We also rarely drive & kick.
The best drives (going home after a game) and kicks (by the cheer leaders) are better than this teams offense, which is very offensive. 😵💫
