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...and vote to keep the state under Democratic legislative control in November, you are voting against your own self-interests. I don't care how you feel about Trump or Ciattarelli, NJ has been Democratically-controlled since 1993. Cost of living is out of control. We are top 5 in wages, and bottom 5 in disposable income. And now we have Phil Murphy (he of the botched COVID management, bail reform, record-setting spending, and "if taxes are your issue, NJ may not be the place for you") in a blonde wig with better teeth asking for your support.
 
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donnie_baseball said:
..And now we have Phil Murphy (he of the botched COVID management, bail reform, record-setting spending, and "if taxes are your issue, NJ may not be the place for you") in a blonde wig with better teeth asking for your support.
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He was at The Smithereens concert at the Wonder Bar in Asbury Park on Saturday night.
 
donnie_baseball said:
...and vote to keep the state under Democratic legislative control in November, you are voting against your own self-interests. I don't care how you feel about Trump or Ciattarelli, NJ has been Democratically-controlled since 1993. Cost of living is out of control. We are top 5 in wages, and bottom 5 in disposable income. And now we have Phil Murphy (he of the botched COVID management, bail reform, record-setting spending, and "if taxes are your issue, NJ may not be the place for you") in a blonde wig with better teeth asking for your support.
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Do you have a source for that disposable income metric?
I've seen us on the other end of that spectrum - Closer to top 5-10 in disposable income.

That said, Murphy was not a strong candidate 4 years ago and he won easily because NJ is too blue for an alternative that just isn't that compelling and Jack ran a bad campaign. You're not wrong at all in wanting to have a change in the dynamic of which party is governing NJ, I just don't think Jack is the guy that will get it done.
 
Moved to PA five years ago and the reduction in property taxes was astounding (not to mention utilities also being less). Property taxes from over $26k to $12k (we did downsize but a comparable home would be about 60-70% less in a good school district).

Christie had the right idea for property taxes deductions, but he became his own worst enemy.
 
donnie_baseball said:
...and vote to keep the state under Democratic legislative control in November, you are voting against your own self-interests. I don't care how you feel about Trump or Ciattarelli, NJ has been Democratically-controlled since 1993. Cost of living is out of control. We are top 5 in wages, and bottom 5 in disposable income. And now we have Phil Murphy (he of the botched COVID management, bail reform, record-setting spending, and "if taxes are your issue, NJ may not be the place for you") in a blonde wig with better teeth asking for your support.
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I know this poster doesn't care much for me but this post is not entirely true.

NJ has had 16 years of republican governor since the early 90s

There are 80 seats in the assembly and 40 seats in the senate.

The assembly was a republican majority in 91 93 95 97 99

The senate was a republican majority in 91 93 97

NJ was Red 94 to 01 at gov and legislature

I was a bit too young for CTW but truly feel that Christie did his best to work across the aisle and bridge gate is overplayed
 
NYShoreGuy said:
I know this poster doesn't care much for me but this post is not entirely true.

NJ has had 16 years of republican governor since the early 90s

There are 80 seats in the assembly and 40 seats in the senate.

The assembly was a republican majority in 91 93 95 97 99

The senate was a republican majority in 91 93 97

NJ was Red 94 to 01 at gov and legislature

I was a bit too young for CTW but truly feel that Christie did his best to work across the aisle and bridge gate is overplayed
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I don't have any problem with you, other than your views are skewed to the left. So the Repubs last had majority in the assembly 26 years ago, and in the senate 28 years ago. I'm no Republican, either. If the last 25 years had been run by the Republicans this way (and Christie had no majority in either chamber), I would be in favor of flipping it, too. Agree with you on Christie. In his 8 years, property taxes finally had the brakes put on after 8 years of +60% under McGreevey/Corzine.
 
Merge said:
Do you have a source for that disposable income metric?
I've seen us on the other end of that spectrum - Closer to top 5-10 in disposable income.

That said, Murphy was not a strong candidate 4 years ago and he won easily because NJ is too blue for an alternative that just isn't that compelling and Jack ran a bad campaign. You're not wrong at all in wanting to have a change in the dynamic of which party is governing NJ, I just don't think Jack is the guy that will get it done.
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Bridgegate was not a crime SCOTUS Determined It was a political charge by Dems who hated Christie and layers including my son told me it would be overturned
 
donnie_baseball said:
...and vote to keep the state under Democratic legislative control in November, you are voting against your own self-interests. I don't care how you feel about Trump or Ciattarelli, NJ has been Democratically-controlled since 1993. Cost of living is out of control. We are top 5 in wages, and bottom 5 in disposable income. And now we have Phil Murphy (he of the botched COVID management, bail reform, record-setting spending, and "huhif taxes are your issue, NJ may not be the place for you") in a blonde wig with better teeth asking for your support.
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Blanket statement by you. I am not a fan of Murphy. However, he did not usher in bail reform. That would be a republican Chris Christie. The state of NJ is not the issue with taxes Its property taxes is what you are really talking about. More than 50% normally 60% of your property taxes are due to your local schools. This has very little to do with governor. Covid response? I don’t know how he botched that. I do blame Murphy by instituting a terrible Attorney Generals Office. Their leadership is woeful and talentless.

Way back when a guy named Jack Ciaterelli talked about merging towns in Somerset County which I was a fan of it in an effort to lower the vast amount of municipalities which leads to redundant positions and employees in municipalities. He never accomplished it as a Freeholder in Somerset County. He was moderate Republican and well spoken. However, his embrace of Trump and his policies have left him with being another politician with no internal principles.

That leads me to Mikey Sherrill who can’t answer simple questions asked of her. A terrible candidate. Jack should win the race unless Trump becomes super unpopular. If he governs as I knew him to be as a Freeholder, he would be a good governor. I fear that he has gone MAGA and will be terrible. I would have preferred Jon Bramnik as governor.
 
I live in a town (MIddletown - Murphy lives here too lol) dominated by Republicans. High local taxes and constant overdevelopment.

Murphy thanked Obama for he fed govt helping during Sandy, and the reaction to that picture explains the problems with US govt
 
New Jersey needs to consolidate municipal services to lower taxes. I have a friend from Michigan who told me that the State of Michigan announced it was consolidating schools, police depts. etc to lower taxes. Schools were closed, the unions and parents squawked. No one was happy until taxes were substantially lowered.
 
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Blanket statement by you. I am not a fan of Murphy. However, he did not usher in bail reform. That would be a republican Chris Christie. The state of NJ is not the issue with taxes Its property taxes is what you are really talking about. More than 50% normally 60% of your property taxes are due to your local schools. This has very little to do with governor. Covid response? I don’t know how he botched that. I do blame Murphy by instituting a terrible Attorney Generals Office. Their leadership is woeful and talentless.

Way back when a guy named Jack Ciaterelli talked about merging towns in Somerset County which I was a fan of it in an effort to lower the vast amount of municipalities which leads to redundant positions and employees in municipalities. He never accomplished it as a Freeholder in Somerset County. He was moderate Republican and well spoken. However, his embrace of Trump and his policies have left him with being another politician with no internal principles.

That leads me to Mikey Sherrill who can’t answer simple questions asked of her. A terrible candidate. Jack should win the race unless Trump becomes super unpopular. If he governs as I knew him to be as a Freeholder, he would be a good governor. I fear that he has gone MAGA and will be terrible. I would have preferred Jon Bramnik as governor.
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Wondering what you mean when you say Jack Ciaterelli has no internal principles since embracing Trump and his policies. What has he done differently since the last governors race when he came oh so close to beating Murphy. Certainly the amount of support that Jack will get from RNC this time will increase dramatically over last race.... they pooh pooped his chances.... to their regret. Now they are hand in hand. So any politician who supports Trump has no "internal"principles?

Hoping you are right though about Mikie Sherrill's chances though. I think it will be a tough no holds barred race.
 
HALL85 said:
Moved to PA five years ago and the reduction in property taxes was astounding (not to mention utilities also being less). Property taxes from over $26k to $12k (we did downsize but a comparable home would be about 60-70% less in a good school district).

Christie had the right idea for property taxes deductions, but he became his own worst enemy.
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Yeah…but you have to live in Pennsylvania.
 
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Any folks here with any issue with the messaging right wing activists have this morning regarding nyc mayor
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Been a full calendar day and no replies here. Regardless of how anyone feels about the nyc dem presumptive primary winner the messaging and fear mongering from right wing activities and even a president son is obscene. But those here wouldn't say it but actually trend to fall in line with such sentiments.
 
Just goes to show you, if you promise lots of free stuff anything can happen. I find it interesting that he lost the vote of low income people.
Very low voter turn out, can he actually win and become mayor? I believe he can win, right wing and current mayor is twisting some of his words on police and the role he sees them playing. Free buses never going to happen and he knows it, rent control never going to happen and he knows it. Another politician making promises they know they cannot keep. Brings lots of enthusiasm which never hurts, plus voters are tired of the same old politicians.
 
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Been a full calendar day and no replies here. Regardless of how anyone feels about the nyc dem presumptive primary winner the messaging and fear mongering from right wing activities and even a president son is obscene. But those here wouldn't say it but actually trend to fall in line with such sentiments.
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Dems have shown more concern than the so called right wing activists as you call them. So you support his policies ? My predictio. Is that Adam's will win going awY. Curtis Sliwa should throw his support to Adams and Cuomo should just retire from politics.
 
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Dems have shown more concern than the so called right wing activists as you call them. So you support his policies ? My predictio. Is that Adam's will win going awY. Curtis Sliwa should throw his support to Adams and Cuomo should just retire from politics.
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I am not a nyc resident so I have no vote. I would say he is quite ambitious. However the right wing activists messaging since the other night in well dangerous.
 
NYShoreGuy said:
Been a full calendar day and no replies here. Regardless of how anyone feels about the nyc dem presumptive primary winner the messaging and fear mongering from right wing activities and even a president son is obscene. But those here wouldn't say it but actually trend to fall in line with such sentiments.
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The republicans are laughing at us dems. This does not in any manner help the majority of dems. I have not seen any fear mongering although I’m sure it’s out there. It’s being overshadowed by legitimate criticisms of socialism (what is “obscene”?) and the minority of dems going on TV saying things like New Yorkers can afford more taxes. I don’t see how this is good for the Democratic Party. Please, show me the light Professor X fka Tweeter
 
Shaheton said:
The republicans are laughing at us dems. This does not in any manner help the majority of dems. I have not seen any fear mongering although I’m sure it’s out there. It’s being overshadowed by legitimate criticisms of socialism (what is “obscene”?) and the minority of dems going on TV saying things like New Yorkers can afford more taxes. I don’t see how this is good for the Democratic Party. Please, show me the light Professor X fka Tweeter
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Mamdani is doing the Republican Party a huge favor in the run-up to the 2026 & 28 elections. His policies (if enacted) will drive up crime and continue the exodus from NYC that has been trending. Dems (and Reps) need more experienced talent that can connect with younger voters, but he’s not it. For NYC’s sake, I hope Adams can somehow get enough votes for a second term
 
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It would make for an interesting experiment, tax the rich and give to the poor. When some of the rich start to leave you can tax the ones remaining more until they leave as well. Mamdani was big on defunding the police, although now he is talking about letting the police do their job and adding social workers to help them with situations that are out of the scope of their job.(never know what he's going deliver after being elected) I also think Adams will win, he did what was needed for the people of NYC. However when you throw a bunch of people into the mix anything can happen. Mamdani is appealing to the middle and upper middle class working in NYC. AOC is in love and wants to marry him. That should be enough to get Adams the victory, but in our world today especially in the city its all about the glamour and appeal. Miami is taking over for NYC so when the rich leave that's where they will go.
 
NYShoreGuy said:
Any folks here with any issue with the messaging right wing activists have this morning regarding nyc mayor
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Anyone here with any issue with the messaging left wing activist "journalists" have regarding the incredibly successful military action taken against Iran?

I know... wrong thread... but couldn't resist.
 
HALL85 said:
Mamdani is doing the Republican Party a huge favor in the run-up to the 2026 & 28 elections. His policies (if enacted) will drive up crime and continue the exodus from NYC that has been trending.
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Continue the exodus?
There was an exodus during the pandemic but the population has been increasing for years now.

HALL85 said:
Dems (and Reps) need more experienced talent that can connect with younger voters, but he’s not it.
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He won by connecting with young voters though.

I’m not in favor of most of his policies, but running Cuomo was a mistake, so there was a path for someone who could connect with voters.
 
Merge said:
Continue the exodus?
There was an exodus during the pandemic but the population has been increasing for years now.
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Population increase last year was due to births exceeding deaths, but NY is in top three for net migration losses.
Merge said:
He won by connecting with young voters though.
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Of course, but he’s not the candidate you want to do that. It was a horrible slate of candidates.
Merge said:
I’m not in favor of most of his policies, but running Cuomo was a mistake, so there was a path for someone who could connect with voters.
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Nipples ran a 1970’s campaign. Still arrogant and no self awareness.
 
Merge said:
I didn’t see much other than Charlie Kirk trying to link the win to 9/11 which was pretty gross.
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I watched a Megan Kelly / Charlie Kirk discussion about. Mandani. Kelly mentioned that Benny Johnson went so far as saying something about 9/11. with rspect to Mandani. I'm not sure exactly what he said.. but Charlie Kirk didn't agree with Johnson on that point. Kirk has a pretty objective take on Mandani.... he doesn't like his policies and in general and doesn't paint all Muslims with the same broad brush. He is very clear in his disagreement with Mandani's policies and is wary of his motives.

BUT Mandani invites the type of comparisons you attributed to Kirk.... he s the one who espoused globalized intifada.... refuses to acknowledge Israel right to exist...... he needs to be questioned about his beliefs.
 
PiratePride said:
I watched a Megan Kelly / Charlie Kirk discussion about. Mandani. Kelly mentioned that Benny Johnson went so far as saying something about 9/11. with rspect to Mandani. I'm not sure exactly what he said.. but Charlie Kirk didn't agree with Johnson on that point. Kirk has a pretty objective take on Mandani.... he doesn't like his policies and in general and doesn't paint all Muslims with the same broad brush. He is very clear in his disagreement with Mandani's policies and is wary of his motives.

BUT Mandani invites the type of comparisons you attributed to Kirk.... he s the one who espoused globalized intifada.... refuses to acknowledge Israel right to exist...... he needs to be questioned about his beliefs.
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Charlie Kirk posted about 9/11 and then mentioned Mandani in the same tweet. Tarlov called him out. It always fascinates me how openly racist people can be to Muslims with no blowback. Honest question, what does the question about Israel’s right to exist have to do with the NYC mayoral campaign? He has answered it 100 times. Yes he believes in the right of Israel and he believes it should be a society of equal rights to all people. Would be the same answer if you asked him about Iran or Ireland. He never is asked about those countries though. NYC largest religious group is Catholics. I have never heard him asked if Italy has the right to exist. Italy exists. Israel exists.

Meghan Kelly did the classic I can’t pronounce his name correctly because it is scary. I have been so lucky in my life to travel to many places in the world and spend time with people of all faiths. Muslims have always treated me my family and my faith with the upmost respect while welcoming me with open arms. I always tell people who don’t know anyone Muslim to visit a mosques and just listen. The truth is all people want the same things, security (financial and safety) for themselves and their family and to live a life of dignity and purpose.

Mamdani won because he spoke genuinely to people. He talked to people from all 5 boroughs, he talked to Trump voters with the same respect he spoke to a recent college grad who had never voted before. He has a clear concise plan that, if you agree with or not, is being explained continually and compassionately. If busses, child care and some city run grocery stores for people to be able to afford healthy produce scares you I would imagine the teaching of Jesus Christ would really freak you out.

We are going to see a shocking about of xenophobic hysteria before November to discredit him but I don’t think it will sway the voters. Cost of living is really the number one issue among the majority of NYC voters and he is trying to address it. Some of feels optimistic but coming off the corruption of Mayor Adams I am willing to take side with positivity.
 
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Merge said:
Continue the exodus?
There was an exodus during the pandemic but the population has been increasing for years now.



He won by connecting with young voters though.

I’m not in favor of most of his policies, but running Cuomo was a mistake, so there was a path for someone who could connect with voters.
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Yea, people that pay the bulk of taxes are the people who are arriving to drive the population increase.
 
Mándami is a huge albatross for the Democratic Party. To me, his ridiculous promises of freezing rent and free busses is not realistic. His past statements are also a big problem. Considering he is a rich kid who comes from an academy award winning Mother, I find him completely disingenuous.
Look for Eric Adams to win this as an independent. The NYC choices are all pretty horrific.
 
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I’m not in favor of most of his policies, but running Cuomo was a mistake, so there was a path for someone who could connect with voters.
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See what I wrote above about republicans laughing. Democrats are in disarray. Two major, not fringe, factions are at total odds as far as strategy and for that matter messaging, although Mandami did a better job of not sounding like a squad member (but everyone knows he falls in line with them, there’s a reason why AOC supports). Running Cuomo and Mandami is exactly what all republicans want and democratic machine is a broken one. Sad.
 
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BUT Mandani invites the type of comparisons you attributed to Kirk.... he s the one who espoused globalized intifada.... refuses to acknowledge Israel right to exist...... he needs to be questioned about his beliefs
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Sure, question him.
I'd agree that he should be more cautious with the intifada term, and he should push back against it's use.
I don't like his answer on it but I don't agree that he refuses Israel's right to exist. He has been asked about that countless times and has answered it fine.

But like I said, bringing up 9/11 when talking about him is gross. Just complete islamophobia.
 
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Yea, people that pay the bulk of taxes are the people who are arriving to drive the population increase.
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There's been talk about the collapse of NYC here for years. It did just did not materialize the way they expected. Personal income and sales tax receipts are the highest they have ever been in the city.

Some people left and working remotely made that incredibly easy to leave during the pandemic, but at the end of the day, people still love that city regardless of any of our opinions. It costs an exorbitant amount of money to live there, but rent prices keep going up because people are willing to pay it. If vacancies are up and rent prices are down, then I will worry about NYC.
 
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