Prince and Chaunce were 15-17 FTs and hit 5-5 late when the game was still undecided. Ugly game but 10 new players will cause this. We started 9-10 FTs and ended the game 15-27, 64.9% for the game. We need to be over 70% every game. We were 77.3% last year, best season I've ever seen.
I'm a glass half full guy so...
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Chaunce and Aligbe did some good things. That’s about it for me.
Also Toumi did a good job on possessions late of staying upright to alter shots. Good individual defense. Hope he plays that way regularly.
And Godswill flashed. He’s going to be good eventually.
And Godswill flashed. He’s going to be good eventually.
Dual flashed some serious talent as well, although clearly very sloppy.
After watching that game, I had 2 full glasses.
We need to see more. Coleman, and other injured players. I missed Harmon's minutes. I believe he was limited do to injury?.
Harmon picked up 2 fouls in 3 minutes. I took it as more of a dog house situation. Disappointing because he’s the only attack the rim guard on this roster
a number of his drives to the hoop were uncontested from a bad defensive switch. Not happening in the big east
Well that’s not his fault. That’s what he’s supposed to do…see an opening and go for it.
Best part of last night's game was that it ended.
Also our best foul shooter.
Thought he’d be the guy with the ball in his hands at the end of games
A tough one to watch. After the dismal start, we were at 40% and 90% from 3 and ft at halftime, then a sloppy chippy second half. Lots to criticize. The TOs are most concerning. 9 guys with significant minutes, 3 of them had assists. Not good.
The positives, Chauce and Toumi. Aligbe, Scotty and Garwey showed a flash. I was happy with DAW. Tubek too
The fouls were bad too And Godswill picked them up quick, but he looked OK on the court.
We worked. Everybody. No one watched a loose ball and stayed on their feet. And they played their asses off on D. The offense in general looked Bad. Again. Yeah, I know, teaching offense is like teaching quantum mechanics while teaching defense is like basic math so d will always be ahead. At least, so it has been here for years and years.
Seton Hall Pirates, 1-0. Next.
The positives, Chauce and Toumi. Aligbe, Scotty and Garwey showed a flash. I was happy with DAW. Tubek too
The fouls were bad too And Godswill picked them up quick, but he looked OK on the court.
We worked. Everybody. No one watched a loose ball and stayed on their feet. And they played their asses off on D. The offense in general looked Bad. Again. Yeah, I know, teaching offense is like teaching quantum mechanics while teaching defense is like basic math so d will always be ahead. At least, so it has been here for years and years.
Seton Hall Pirates, 1-0. Next.
Comparing to the NJIT game last year, team much more connected on defense and an overall much better performance. The Nova, PC, X fans are all saying same things this morning.
Most disappointing thing to me that needs to change. Toumi and Dual esthetic had 1 rebound with 5 minutes to go to game.
Loved the way Godswill and Jenkens chased boards.
Most disappointing thing to me that needs to change. Toumi and Dual esthetic had 1 rebound with 5 minutes to go to game.
Loved the way Godswill and Jenkens chased boards.
What I did like was the defensive work ethic, They do need to streamline it a bit. Recalling last year's OOC Tournament the team was not playing with that intensity. Hopefully, they can play that way in Charleston. The free throw shooting must get better ASAP, Maybe some of it was do to first game nerves. Can't miss both at crunch tine.
So called better teams like providence and xavier trailed most of their games against lesser opponents than st Peter's.
It's not just the pirates. It's early and time will tell
It's not just the pirates. It's early and time will tell
Our offense was putrid. Our defense I thought was excellent. St. Peters made a lot of tough shots and if we played them again I think we win by 15+ just based on shooting percentages because some of those prayers aren't going in next time.
i wonder if the mid mid-majors have the same turn-over we and Depaul had?
I think Texas Southern is stronger than St. Peter's.
Even before Charleston, if we don't play better against Hofstra, we are in trouble.
When we first signed Chaunce I made a comparison to Souley Boum of Xavier a few years ago. Veteran guy who put up a lot of points for a mid-major.
I know it was only against SPU, but I really thought the Boum comparison rang true. Very althetic slashing from the wings and took the ball strong to the basket. Not to mention shot FT’s well and 2-3 behind the arc. No reason why he can’t be a 15-17 PPG guy if healthy.
I know it was only against SPU, but I really thought the Boum comparison rang true. Very althetic slashing from the wings and took the ball strong to the basket. Not to mention shot FT’s well and 2-3 behind the arc. No reason why he can’t be a 15-17 PPG guy if healthy.
More than just game 1. He led the team in scoring in both exhibitions with 37 combined points.
Best thing to say about the team last night is that they played hard from start to finish. They had to grind out a way to win that game. Would hope that Coleman would have been another key scoring option for us although hard to say how much so but I’d say he would be better than what I saw from Middleton last nigh who did not look good offensively speaking.
Jenkins should be a consistent presence for us offense.. Toumi needs to be looking to score as much as possible although I’m sure Shaheens emphasis to him on defending and rebounding may limit how much of a contributor he will be. I’m assuming Addae-Wusu will be feast or famine like last year, but Shaheen is going to ask him to play multiple roles for the team.
I just hope we can avoid a DePaul type of season. Based on what I saw last night, you have to keep expectations in check to say the least.
Jenkins should be a consistent presence for us offense.. Toumi needs to be looking to score as much as possible although I’m sure Shaheens emphasis to him on defending and rebounding may limit how much of a contributor he will be. I’m assuming Addae-Wusu will be feast or famine like last year, but Shaheen is going to ask him to play multiple roles for the team.
I just hope we can avoid a DePaul type of season. Based on what I saw last night, you have to keep expectations in check to say the least.
My only expectation is to see this team get better game by game. It may not equate to wins all of the time but I want to watch our guys get better.
I LOLed.
But really, I'm not shocked that a team with so many new guys played like they did last night. I'm not pleased about it, but not at all surprised. I think the team will ultimately be pretty good. The drama will be whether they will be good enough soon enough to assemble a nonconference record they selection committee can't rebuke.
Kind of like last year, really. (Although I remain firmly of the mind that a team that is 13-7 in the Big East is a tournament team no matter what.)
I hope you're right, I just don't share your optimism. That group last year was with Sha for 12 months prior and that group had true All Big East caliber go to guy in the General Soreness. It still took them 8 weeks into season 2 to figure it out. What I saw last night was a good amount of guys with a poor handle and mediocre passers. Sha will break their bad habits but you don't break 15 years of bad habits in a month or sometimes even 6 months. Hope I'm wrong. The good news of last night is there were about 5 teams who all looked like 9th place teams.
I think the Fordham game will help them get right. They were playing with a whole bunch of lineups that they probably don’t practice that often with. A home crowd at Walsh in basically their practice gym all summer is exactly what they needed. It was the first game with a lot of jitters. No one probably feels worse than the players do with the exception of Sha but they have a few days to review some film, get some guys healthy and keep working. Hopefully they play a little faster and try to get some baskets in transition.
I get it, and that all makes sense. I just don't want to put too much stock into one early game. We've had some good teams struggle with Saint Peter's squads that weren't as good as Bashir Mason's current group. It's the dynamics of early-season basketball ... I hope.
I didn't see that at all. He played great defense & handled the ball well for a person his size. Definitely not a scorer yet though.
I didn’t see it this way but if you did, then that’s another reason his game can be compared to Kadary’s.
handled the ball well? 4 turnovers in 29 mins and dribbled the ball over his neck mutlipe times. Blue sunglasses baby!
It's one game on November 4. I didn't expect mid-season form but it was a little disappointing that we didn't appear to be in November 4 form.
Not having Coleman -- arguably our best player -- was a problem. I'd expect things go smoother if you have him for 25-plus minutes. I saw little from Middleton and Dual that indicate they will be important pieces but do expect that at least one of them develops into that type of player.
I remain optimistic that this will be a good team. I fear we will have to do so with Aligbe and Toumi providing most of our production from the five. I need to see more of Gus and Godswill to believe they are real answers of any sort and I have my doubts on Okorafor given his limited production at Louisville.
Free throws will be a problem. Most of the better free throw shooters from last year are no longer here. A major strong point is no longer a sure thing.
Again, it's one night, there should be some concern, but we shouldn't overreact. There is plenty of opportunity (and room) for improvement.
Not having Coleman -- arguably our best player -- was a problem. I'd expect things go smoother if you have him for 25-plus minutes. I saw little from Middleton and Dual that indicate they will be important pieces but do expect that at least one of them develops into that type of player.
I remain optimistic that this will be a good team. I fear we will have to do so with Aligbe and Toumi providing most of our production from the five. I need to see more of Gus and Godswill to believe they are real answers of any sort and I have my doubts on Okorafor given his limited production at Louisville.
Free throws will be a problem. Most of the better free throw shooters from last year are no longer here. A major strong point is no longer a sure thing.
Again, it's one night, there should be some concern, but we shouldn't overreact. There is plenty of opportunity (and room) for improvement.
I would say this game was much better than the NJIT effort last year which was with an established team.
A lot of sloppy turnovers that should improve.
On verge of a blow out toward end of first half but substitutions hurt.
Did not like Tuomi taking face up jumper down stretch when they were in the bonus. Sha did not either and I doubt it happens again.
A lot of sloppy turnovers that should improve.
On verge of a blow out toward end of first half but substitutions hurt.
Did not like Tuomi taking face up jumper down stretch when they were in the bonus. Sha did not either and I doubt it happens again.
I didn’t see that either. He had 5 assists and 3 steals so let’s be a little balanced. He did make a few sloppy passes but his tempo in offense was good as well as his defense.
Dawe's free throw shooting was excellent. Made some huge FTs down the stretch of games. So that will be tough to replace. Two years ago it felt like the team was missing 10 a game. Last year not so much. One game is not enough of a measuring stick. It can cost games or keep them too close.
