State sponsor of terrorism who has made direct threats against the U.S., the great satan:
Iran
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This isn’t just directed to the name caller. Who could fully support negotiations or bombing? Nobody here has all of the important facts. Support our country: should be easy. It’s not. It’s actually being debated!
This should not be partisan but its most about Trump. Our last president did what in response to Oct 7?
I’m not sure what Oct 7 has anything to do with Iran. What action did you propose the US to take on Oct 7?? Seems to me that Israel demolished Gaza under the last President. Should the US have nuked it as well?
But, with regard to Iran, the US did not have to do a thing. Israel would have taken out the Ayatollah all by themselves. That’s the thing. The US didn’t really need to get involved at all. All they had to do was let Israel take the Ayatollah out.
We have wanted regime change for the longest time and the US didn’t have to do a thing and let Israel do all the dirty work. Yet Trump said no. Now, he wants to get the US involved and get into a war? Why??
But he hasn’t gotten us involved yet. Could it be that the threat has brought Iran to the negotiating table this week?
Oct 7 had nothing to do with Iran? Really?
If Israel takes out the Ayatollah, there certainly would be consequences for the U.S. Especially with the Fordo nuclear site still intact. Israel can't take that site out, only the U.S. can. U.S. tales out Fordo, Israel takes out the Ayatollah. Still possible consequences for the U.S. but Iran would much, much weaker after all of this.
lol. Exactly. In the end no matter how it turns out, all of you will genuflect to whatever action Trump does and say how great was Trump. lol.
Btw, the US was negotiating with Iran prior to any bombing from Israel. They were still negotiating when Israel struck.
What are you even talking about? Iran already was at the negotiating table! Not to mention the agreement that already was in place before Trump reneged on the deal!
Israel's very obvious motive for their unprovoked attack was to torpedo negotiations.
Please show me where Iran was involved in Oct 7? Iran denied any knowledge and was surprised by the attack. At best, there are reports that Hamas tried to persuade Iran to join in on this plan years before the attack. US intelligence stated that Iran was surprised by the attacks. Hamas stated that Iran did not have anything to do with it. So please show what evidence you have that Iran was behind the attack of Oct 7th?
Or are you going to simply state that since Iran and Hamas are allies, they are part of the attack
Trump is in your head…lol
Yeah, so what? Iran seemed to be dragging their feet. Remains to be seen, but they are back.
I root for every President to do what’s in our best interest. You seem to want Trump to fail even if the outcome is good for the US. Sad.
This is incredibly lazy of you. No desire to discuss the facts. Just glib epithets from an unserious person.
You just say things that have no grounding in history. When Israel was bombing Lebanon in 1982, Ronald Reagan phoned Menachem Begin and told him to stop. The bombing was called off within 20 minutes of that call. Of course the US can control what Israel does.
It must be incredibly freeing to just say whatever you want without regard for the facts.
Best thing for the US would have been to let Israel take the Ayatollah out. That was the best. Why? No US involvement. Two, Iran now has the knowledge to build a nuclear weapons. That knowledge is permanent. Destroying nuclear facilities is a temporary set back of at most 5 years. Probably less. Take the Ayatollah out which has been thought about for decades, should have been the plan. Bombing the facilities will always be an option. You may only get one or two chance in a lifetime to take out the Ayatollah.
The regime in Iran is an oppressive one even to their own people. Best interests in the US is to get rid of the Ayatollah. I am sure the US has always been in touch with more moderate forces in Iran.
And that may still happen.
Two, Iran now has the knowledge to build a nuclear weapons. That knowledge is permanent. Destroying nuclear facilities is a temporary set back of at most 5 years. Probably less. Take the Ayatollah out which has been thought about for decades, should have been the plan. Bombing the facilities will always be an option. You may only get one or two chance in a lifetime to take out the Ayatollah.
Regime changes are always tricky. History shows that…the old saying “Never wish for a new king”. In this case it makes sense, but there will be competing factions.
You CONSTANTLY say that people glorify everything Trump does. It’s not true. I often disagree with the republicans here but I can be honest and say you’re not correct on that point. The party I am affiliated (dems) are getting SMOKED because we can’t stop railing on Trump and his supporters (think boy who cried wolf) and at the same time let people like Whoopi Goldberg or Mandami or AOC or Soros or Pelisi or Bruce Springsteen or any other of the gazillion limo liberal carry the message…. which is what, exactly?
Whoopi one of the most ignorant people on TV remember her imploring Biden to name his wife Doctor Biden as surgeon general because she was a great doctor had to be informed during a commercial that she was not. a medical doctor. This comment is dumb even for her if that is possible.
I was hoping to come to this board and see any sort of humanity or compassion or at least rationality. Especially, in a group that I could only assume are Catholic. A few posters aside this is the most vile, uniformed, irrational group of humans who are the exact reason we got shoved into the costly, deadly Iraq war. Americas servicemen, not to mention the countless Iranian civilians, dying so a group of boomers can cosplaying as tough guys on a message isn’t enough for a war.
The lack of historical context or awareness is outstanding. I am almost jealous that I can’t go through life like that. It allows you to believe every nonsensical statement you type. Anyone not wholly against an unjustified, expensive, deadly war in a region of the country that we have been destabilizing for 80 years has been propagandized. I will pray for you. Be better humans. Be better Catholics. Learn from the departed Pope Francis. Learn humility,
The lack of historical context or awareness is outstanding. I am almost jealous that I can’t go through life like that. It allows you to believe every nonsensical statement you type. Anyone not wholly against an unjustified, expensive, deadly war in a region of the country that we have been destabilizing for 80 years has been propagandized. I will pray for you. Be better humans. Be better Catholics. Learn from the departed Pope Francis. Learn humility,
Depressing to ever have to link to a clip from ultimate garbage person Piers Morgan, but go to 25:48 for a detailed breakdown of exactly how that deal was structured, showing the absurdity of the notion that Iran ever was or is anywhere near making nuclear weapons, and almost certainly weren't even trying to, frankly. Note that Scott Horton is a well known libertarian, so decidely not a leftist voice that I, or you most likely, are generally eye to eye with.
Keep fighting the good fight here I guess. You're generally the only consistently good poster on LOTS anymore amongst these disgusting reactionaries & pathetic shitlib centrist equivocators.
I’d like to hear your historical context concerning Iran. What is your stance? Are you just anti war military or do you think the real comparison is Iraq (btw, here is a hint. It’s not even close). I understand you don’t like most of the posters views but please explain. It’s always good to get a fresh perspective.
I guess I view it through a different lens. I look at Russia as a state with thousands of nuclear missiles, all targeted at our country. Russia is possibly the only country that can end the United States if it ever made the disastrous decision to use them (of course, that also would mean the end of Russia too). Iran can disrupt, but not end, the US.
You have a long record on this board of supporting terrorists like Hamas and anything that's anti-Israel.
Citing something from 43 years ago (a completely different world situation) and comparing it to what's going on today? One has nothing to do with the the other. Israel has only become far more powerful since then, and the US hasn't been fighting the cold war for 35 years. Do better.
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Cernj - I am not anti-military. I am anti endless/senseless war.
In 1953, the US and UK orchestrated a coup to overthrow PM Mohammad Mosaddegh. He wanted Iranian control of the oil beneath its ground, and British and US oil interests were not interested in that. This is not disputable. The Shah was installed, and initially money flooded into Iran through US and British oil companies.
His reign was marked by widespread and growing economic inequality. His secret police force was brutal in shutting down any opposition, and through oil money the ruling class became extremely wealthy.
Like anywhere throughout history when you have a dictator—no political opposition, no freedom of the press, manipulated elections, military force against your own people—dissent rapidly grows among the population. By 1978, Iran was on fire: disillusioned populations being met by violent military response. That’s a recipe for people to cling to their religion and opens the door for a theocratic regime. Enter Khomeini.
Immediately, the US imposed sanctions on Iran, freezing $8 billion of Iranian assets. Then we gave full support to Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s. Who was the Iraqi leader? You guessed it: Saddam Hussein. You know how that ended.
The sanctions have remained. I was born in 1978. I am 46 years old. My entire life, Iran has been under sanctions—sanctions that don’t really hurt Iran’s ruling class but do hurt the people. I agreed with the 2015 deal that limited their nuclear capabilities. Someone can debate me about why that needed to be destroyed and why we’re on the brink of war right now.
The Iranian people are not the Iranian government. My experience is of people who are warm and welcoming. The country, if you know a little about it, is actually very westernized. Tehran has one of the largest shopping malls in the world selling luxury goods (albeit knock-offs because of sanctions). Before we bomb a city of 13 million like Tehran and push them further into an alliance with China and Russia, we need to create a diplomatic solution. Iran is NOT an existential threat to the US. We both know that.
Thank you for the reply. I know that tortured bad history of US involvement in Iran. As a matter of fact, I had at the Hall, a professor, Dr Sedehi, who was tortured under the Shah and always had an interesting and eye opening view of US foreign policy. You are right about the history. The people of Iran should be differentiated from the government.
What also cannot be denied is that Iran is the biggest State sponser of terror around the world. Hezbollah l, Houthis are under their control. Certainly a nuclear bomb in their hands is very troubling.
What to do about these issues now? What do you think we should do? If Iran insists in enriching uranium for nuclear weapons, what do we do? Apparently, that is where negotiations broke down.
I am not in favor of going to war. There is no reason for it. Some on here talk about limited bombing of only the nuclear site?
I am of the belief that there was no need for the US to get involved. Israel could have taken the Ayatollah out. That was the cleanest way in my opinion. Now that does not come without risks. Meaning the power vacuum that it leaves behind. Outright war would be a mistake. I think just bombing the site is kicking the can down the road of Iran eventually having a nuclear weapon and you leave in place an angry anti American regime who continues to torture and murder their own citizens.
Where were you when every other president did this?
I’m OK with this but any further involvement requires congressional approval.
The question is now, “Whst next?”. Regime change? Retaliation?
Iran’s poor air defense system has been decimated. If they retaliate against Israel, their remaining launch sites are sitting ducks.
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I know the guy who accuses everyone of having Trump Derangement Syndrome™ isn't disapproving of name calling on this forum. If anyone disagrees with anything Trump does, you say they have a mental illness!
You also recently insinuated I supported the guy who set fire to the PA governor's mansion, so spare me the self-righteous talk.
I have bad news for you if you don't like terrorists. Israel commits acts of terrorism all the time. The beepers in Lebanon? That was terrorism. Setting off car bombs to kill civilians in Iran? That's terrorism. It doesn't make it acceptable just because Israel does it.
But I guess maybe it does to you. Based on your simple analysis, if you don't 100% support Israel, then you're pro-Hamas or pro-Iran. This is the same sort of disastrous "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists" false framing that led us to the Iraq boondogle. Now we're trying to speed-run that year-plus lead up to the Iraq war, but this time, it doesn't have the support of the American public.
Based on your pro-Israel-or-pro-terrorists litmus test, I'm sorry to report to you that, by nearly a 4-to-1 margin, the American public is pro-terrorist. 😱
"First of all, Khomeini died in 1989." 😂
This is not the first time I've heard some talking head make that same mistake on live television this past week. Nobody knows what the hell they're talking about.
haha YET. you really trying to pretend this wasn't already happening?
trump voters should be livid. "the candidate of peace" kamala was the candidate for "endless wars" are we out of russia yet?
are you ready to start admitting that all the trump voters are so far up his ass they can't actually have an opinion of their own?
btw this is bad. let the defending continue.
YET lmao hysterical
did they ever get to who was behind the biggest explosion in the last 60 years in lebanon? my friend whose family left lebanon had an answer...
did i read it correctly that trump claimed the declaration of independence was related to the civil war? this guy just declared war in the idle east again. and you idiots have his name on your oversized truck.
I thought this was a one shot deal. What is Trump going to do next if Iran does not capitulate? More strikes on targets. Wait I thought this was just prevent IRAN from being able to enrich uranium to prevent them of obtaining a nuclear weapon ? What other targets would qualify? Is he thinking about sending in troops? Why in the world is he looking to escalate this operation into something larger? What is the goal here?
I don’t see being able to justify any further US actions with the only exception if Iran retaliated on our troops. Right now the retaliatory strikes are in Israel and they continue to take out Iranian missle launchers.
You really struggle to understand things. The entire administration is saying we are not at war with Iran. Nobody is talking about troops - only you.
This was a hit on Iran's nuclear sites. Nothing more. The US isn't bombing Tehran or sending in troops. Stop with the crazy talk!
