It’s time for resignations at SHU

[dehere23]

Sha gets no pass for this year.

1) When you don't play Godswill much and Okorafor not at all and say it's because the opposing team is too fast but play Yalden 17 minutes in that game, I'm thinking you lost something off your fastball.

2) Roster construction was horrible, this spread the wealth/quality depth thing is a huge failure, too mnay pl;ayers juist not good eneough.

3) His constant surliness is a real turn off for me and I'd bet the players too. Makes getting players in the future that much more difficult as Seton Hall is never going to outbid anyone.

4) His media unfriendliness is a sin. Seton Hall needs every inch of positive press it can get. Needs to be more open and approachable.

I'm still a fan but getting weary of his act. Can't be the same next year.

This +10000

 

[dehere23]

Any coach in the league loses with the players we put out there against Butler.

I agree with so much of what you said in all the immediate posts above, with one caveat (though maybe I’m misinterpreting).

There are other coaches in the Big East, let alone the country, who would have done better with this team this season. And that’s not so much of a knock on Sha, per se. It’s where he is in his career compared to others who have more (in some cases, massive) accomplishments and have proven repeatedly their ability at various programs of all stripes. Now any of them could have certainly lost an ugly home game against Butler just like we did the other night with who we rolled out. That’s true. But I think it’s also completely fair to think there are others who would be getting more out of this group - even just defensively, where we have been an abomination this year in conference for a supposedly defensive coach.

As others rightly pointed out, programs like ours need coaches to be promoters and do all sorts of outreach beyond simply coaching. Especially in this era. Sha needs to massively improve in that respect. Look at how Cooley constantly promotes Gtown in trying to rebuild that program. English with Providence trying to essentially do what Sha’s doing in taking over a program that was in solid shape for a while because of a coach who left and maintain a winning culture. Or the force of nature that is Pitino. All those programs get more attention than we do in normal times, often by a significant margin, and yet those are 3 examples of guys who are relentless on this front.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

No, it started with not retaining Samuel in a year when Richmond and Davis stayed because the immediately eligible transfer rule was not in play. We scoffed at the counter from Florida and put out suggestions that Samuel would never get that money. We should have matched that money instead of pretending NIL was not a problem.

Samuel was Bediako's AAU friend and helped recruit him to Seton Hall. Bediako at the 5, Samuel at the 4, Richmond at the 1, Davis at the 3 and Dawes at the 2 is an Elite 8 starting lineup. We make that run, you think we can't add more NIL money?

We undervalued the impact of NIL and severely underestimated the market to retain players. It is not what we think the players deserve, it is what the market will pay. We were left with a theory to spread decent money across more players and coach them up. We had to hit on a number of guys taking huge leaps stepping up in level of play. Hopefully, the lesson was learned.

Yes, for all those touting last year’s run keep in mind Sha’s stubbornness re Samuel was a major miscalculation.

 

[SHUSource]

The AD who everyone on this board criticized, wanted McKillip or the Vermont coach, and was blasted. Those choices were pretty good options in retrospect.

It's always hard to say what would've happened, but McKillop is a terrific coach and I believe he'd have done well here. Who was the Vermont coach, Lonergan? He did very well there, but wasn't he also involved in something bad somewhere else? GW, maybe? I forget the particulars and maybe I don't even have the right guy.

I was fully behind the Gonzalez hire, and I think if we got the guy we thought we were getting that it would've worked. But his family life changed at the same time he arrived and the way I heard it, he wasn't able to devote the same amount of time or effort he had been previously to chase recruits, and that hurt. He also, as some warned, didn't have the psychological makeup to be a head coach at this level, or at least not at Seton Hall. He was a bitter pill to swallow and I think we all learned something from that. I did.

 

[hallgrad80]

Until there is someone who will lead the effort to “ clean house “ and has the authority to make the changes and get support from all those who want SH to succeed not only in athletics but also in the educational side of the equation little will change.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

So….when has Seton Hall ever hired a coach that wasn’t MAAC level?

PJ
Blaney
Orr
Gonzalez
Willard

I wouldn’t call assistant coaches at power conferences (like Amaker) any better at trying to run a program.

It’s standard practice to hire coaches at lower level schools. It’s just the way it’s done.

And if they fired Holloway, bought him out and hired someone else it would be an MAAC level coach.

Who would immediately struggle here

PJ was not even in MAAC it was early NEC.

 

[donnie_baseball]

Give our same roster to each of the other coaches in the league. Almost all of them would deliver a less embarrassing record. It's coaching too

How could you prove or defend that statement? Cooley was lousy with what he had at GU last year, and arguably underperforming this year, too. Neptune's seat is scorching hot at Nova.

 

[hallgrad80]

PJ was not even in MAAC it was early NEC.

And PJ ‘s last season at Wagner before coming to SH he was 4 - 22.

 

[chickenbox]

How could you prove or defend that statement? Cooley was lousy with what he had at GU last year, and arguably underperforming this year, too. Neptune's seat is scorching hot at Nova.

I can't. It's all speculation about something theoretical.

 

[Seton75]

And PJ ‘s last season at Wagner before coming to SH he was 4 - 22.

The old joke back them. Two reasons why we hired PJ.

1. Everyone loved his Dad.

2. He would say yes.

 

[TheHall87]

Give our same roster to each of the other coaches in the league. Almost all of them would deliver a less embarrassing record. It's coaching too

If we had our full roster, we would be better than we currently are. I'd agree there are a few coaches who would be able to do more than Shaheen.

With the current roster (sans DAW, Jenkins and Middleton), John Wooden with a staff of Coach K, Dean Smith and Bob Knight wouldn't be able to do much of anything.