Just like his boss

[Merge]

Maybe but at the same time Joe's got multiple offenses. Classified documents from my understanding found in multiple places. And he didn't fess up and say I got more in my garage. They had to be found. I would think he should be treated a little differently because of that too. Don't you? Doesn't the guy who gets caught speeding multiple times get a little more scrutiny? Might want to do an investigation of every place he's associated with. Or at this point should we just trust he's brough them all forward.

I'll admit I only go by what people tell me. Been watching too much sports and reading up on stocks lately. I have lost interest in this drama, but sounds like he didn't come clean and cooperate 100% so he really didn't act very differently.

It’s his team that is looking and turning over what they find. That’s the difference. That not only didn’t happen with Trump, but he also certified that things were returned knowing they weren’t, did not comply with a subpoena to return them and even demanded them back when the FBI took them.

This is just not a comparable situation here.

 

[Merge]

You are brave to challenge Merge's speeding ticket analogy. That was perhaps one of the most brilliant legal arguments I have heard in my life. Lol

Trying to dumb it down for those who can’t see through the red glasses.

They both kept classified material they had no right to keep. Only one did not comply with a subpoena to return the documents…

A reasonable person would not expect that Trump and Biden should be treated the same based on the facts as we know them to this point. Also Biden being president now and having the right to access all of those files makes this very different as well.

 

[HALL85]

Trying to dumb it down for those who can’t see through the red glasses.

They both kept classified material they had no right to keep. Only one did not comply with a subpoena to return the documents…

A reasonable person would not expect that Trump and Biden should be treated the same based on the facts as we know them to this point. Also Biden being president now and having the right to access all of those files makes this very different as well.

Files he’s had for six years and doesn’t seem to know where they all are?

 

[Merge]

Files he’s had for six years and doesn’t seem to know where they all are?

Some were in his garage.. doesn’t really seem like he is reading through this stuff anymore.

After a year and a half of the archive trying to get documents back, Trumps lawyers say they did a search and all classified documents were returned. They still had 300+.

2 months after finding 10 classified documents. Biden’s lawyers have been instructed to look everywhere and hand over everything and it appears they are.

Just not comparable here.

 

[Pirata]

Red glasses. Lol

Big time pot calling the kettle black.

Not sure why you are obsessed with restating ad nauseam that the situations are different. No one is saying they are the same. As usual you are inferring things that aren't being said.

Let the quoted messages begin.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

It’s his team that is looking and turning over what they find. That’s the difference. That not only didn’t happen with Trump, but he also certified that things were returned knowing they weren’t, did not comply with a subpoena to return them and even demanded them back when the FBI took them.

This is just not a comparable situation here.

So his team didn’t know about this for the last few years? And then when they found the original stuff, Joe didn’t say I got more stuff over here let’s turn it all in? Come on man. Do you believe not turning your shit over is bad or it’s only bad when someone or some agency asks for it. At this point because he didn’t give it all back when they found the first batch, it’s reasonable to suspect there’s more out there.

Funny part is none of this bothers me because I’m willing to bet hundreds of government officials have classified info they shouldn’t have. Politics is power and these people abuse it. If the only thing you’re upset about is the FBI demanded it back from one guy and he didn’t give it back, I think you’re missing the boat. How come the FBI isn’t demanding everyone leave their crap where it’s supposed to be when they leave office. Why don’t the American people demand that when politicians leave office under oath that they will leave in the manner they’re supposed to leave and potentially perjure themselves if they take such documents. We pay for these buffoons. Ones no better or worse than the next.

 

[HALL85]

Some were in his garage.. doesn’t really seem like he is reading through this stuff anymore.

After a year and a half of the archive trying to get documents back, Trumps lawyers say they did a search and all classified documents were returned. They still had 300+.

2 months after finding 10 classified documents. Biden’s lawyers have been instructed to look everywhere and hand over everything and it appears they are.

Just not comparable here.

Like you know what he’s reading? Who else could have read them over the last six years? lol Another merge theory conspiracy….six years and miraculously they turn up now. Three different locations.

He’s “surprised”. Are there more documents? Who has been in the Biden Center or his home for the past six years. If he was “fully cooperating” he would be proactively telling the DOJ that information.

 

[Merge]

Red glasses. Lol

Big time pot calling the kettle black.

Not sure why you are obsessed with restating ad nauseam that the situations are different. No one is saying they are the same. As usual you are inferring things that aren't being said.

Let the quoted messages begin.

You’d just have to read the thread to follow along.

112 asked the question if they would be treated equally, I replied that they aren’t equal.. so no.

Then came people trying to find ways they are.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

So funny we’ve lost sight of the fact taking things that aren’t yours is stealing. But we’re doing everything right to give it back. The other guy didn’t. Talk about whataboutisms.

 

[Merge]

So his team didn’t know about this for the last few years? And then when they found the original stuff, Joe didn’t say I got more stuff over here let’s turn it all in?

But that’s what happened.

They found documents. Joe said search for any more (at the advice of his lawyers)

 

[Merge]

Like you know what he’s reading? Who else could have read them over the last six years? lol Another merge theory conspiracy….six years and miraculously they turn up now. Three different locations.

He’s “surprised”. Are there more documents? Who has been in the Biden Center or his home for the past six years. If he was “fully cooperating” he would be proactively telling the DOJ that information.

And you’re suggesting that other people could have accessed them is a Hall85 conspiracy.

Not quite miraculous. They are searching for them.

What you guys are missing here is that Joe is NOW allowed access to these documents. He could pack it all up and move them and there is no issue. Instead he is having his lawyers actually cooperate to look for anything and turn it over… and you’re acting like he is lying about his knowledge of these files. If he knew where they all were, he could just move them on his own and not disclose anything at all.

 

[SHUSA]

desperately trying to compare the two

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

But that’s what happened.

They found documents. Joe said search for any more (at the advice of his lawyers)

Come on man, I’ll bet his team has been in those places and in the presence of those documents for years. As I said I’m sure many politicians are guilty of the same thing. Nobody has cared over the years. You throw one man under the bus for it, you can almost guarantee a can of worms will open.

 

[Merge]

Come on man, I’ll bet his team has been in those places and in the presence of those documents for years.

Then they would have moved them to a secure facility and all of a sudden there is no evidence of any wrongdoing at all… why would they have just left them there?

 

[HALL85]

And you’re suggesting that other people could have accessed them is a Hall85 conspiracy.

Not quite miraculous. They are searching for them.

What you guys are missing here is that Joe is NOW allowed access to these documents. He could pack it all up and move them and there is no issue. Instead he is having his lawyers actually cooperate to look for anything and turn it over… and you’re acting like he is lying about his knowledge of these files. If he knew where they all were, he could just move them on his own and not disclose anything at all.

Allowed to access documents he stole? Interesting.

He said he was surprised they were even there. How do you pack up stuff you apparently didn’t know you had?

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Then they would have moved them to a secure facility and all of a sudden there is no evidence of any wrongdoing at all… why would they have just left them there?

Because they all think they’re invincible. And there are plenty of people who go through life keeping their mouth shut for a paycheck.

 

[Merge]

Allowed to access documents he stole? Interesting.

He said he was surprised they were even there. How do you pack up stuff you apparently didn’t know you had?

Yes. Biden is allowed access to classified documents now. If he had knowledge of these files, he could have just moved them to a secure facility until he was out of office and no one would have found out he ever had them.

His defense will be that someone else packed up his office. Not saying you should buy that or not.

 

[Merge]

Because they all think they’re invincible. And there are plenty of people who go through life keeping their mouth shut for a paycheck.

That’s a little ridiculous honestly. You wouldn’t just leave a liability out there for fun.

Biden would just have moved the files. His staff would have said, hey you should probably move those files now that you’re president.

I’d believe he wanted to get caught as an excuse to drop out of 2024 over just leaving them there because he could get away with it… and that one is also pretty ridiculous.

 

[HALL85]

Yes. Biden is allowed access to classified documents now. If he had knowledge of these files, he could have just moved them to a secure facility until he was out of office and no one would have found out he ever had them.

His defense will be that someone else packed up his office. Not saying you should buy that or not.

So he stole documents and then claims to have knowledge of them. I’m not buying that either.

Then he stored some of them in a non secure area (and the ones that he claimed were in a locked room now….have they been locked up for six years?).

If I didn’t know about where these documents have been, I would be really concerned about who could have seen them over the last six years.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

That’s a little ridiculous honestly. You wouldn’t just leave a liability out there for fun.

Biden would just have moved the files. His staff would have said, hey you should probably move those files now that you’re president.

I’d believe he wanted to get caught as an excuse to drop out of 2024 over just leaving them there because he could get away with it… and that one is also pretty ridiculous.

Politicians are good, wholesome people. They’re such good people that they take things in the first place. Tell me why they take things in the first place. Most likely answer in my opinion is they’ve done it before and no one says no to them because of the power they have.

 

[Merge]

Politicians are good, wholesome people. They’re such good people that they take things in the first place. Tell me why they take things in the first place. Most likely answer in my opinion is they’ve done it before and no one says no to them because of the power they have.

No one is saying they are good. They aren’t.. and along with that, they would know how to cover their ass and in Biden’s case that would have been incredibly easy by just moving the files, whereas Trump did not have that option.

 

[Merge]

So he stole documents and then claims to have knowledge of them. I’m not buying that either.

Then he stored some of them in a non secure area (and the ones that he claimed were in a locked room now….have they been locked up for six years?).

If I didn’t know about where these documents have been, I would be really concerned about who could have seen them over the last six years.

Right. That’s why a special counsel was appointed. They will find out what was in the documents and what the exposure was.

That’s a problem, and we have agreed there. Doesn’t matter if the room was locked or not either.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

No one is saying they are good. They aren’t.. and along with that, they would know how to cover their ass and in Biden’s case that would have been incredibly easy by just moving the files, whereas Trump did not have that option.

Really how good are they at covering their ass? It seems there’s always a scandal. This isn’t about Trump.

 

[Merge]

Really how good are they at covering their ass?

Exactly. Occam's Razor here.

They either knew the documents were there and decided against the incredibly easy step of moving them to a location where they would be allowed to be stored, or they didn’t know they were there.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Exactly. Occam's Razor here.

They either knew the documents were there and decided against the incredibly easy step of moving them to a location where they would be allowed to be stored, or they didn’t know they were there.

Yeah and maybe the Clinton’s didn’t realize they took furniture from the White House. The big couch in the living room, it just looked the same as the one from the White House. These people don’t give a crap about doing wrong and they don’t care enough to cover it up unless it’s going to cost them big time. As I’ve said there are probably many officials who have classified docs, few if any ever got in trouble for it. This wasn’t probably ever a Biden concern.They all think they’re invincible. Is it possible someone in the Biden camp was disgruntled and threatened to use it against him. Or maybe Republicans found out about it?

 

[Merge]

Yeah and maybe the Clinton’s didn’t realize they took furniture from the White House. The big couch in the living room, it just looked the same as the one from the White House. These people don’t give a crap about doing wrong and they don’t care enough to cover it up unless it’s going to cost them big time. As I’ve said there are probably many officials who have classified docs, few if any ever got in trouble for it. This wasn’t probably ever a Biden concern.They all think they’re invincible. Is it possible someone in the Biden camp was disgruntled and threatened to use it against him. Or maybe Republicans found out about it?

Again… if anyone threatened to use it against him, he could have just moved it and there would be no issue and it would be entirely covered up. We would have never known he kept anything at all from his time as VP.

Your theory just doesn’t make sense.

 

[SHallguy2]

Yeah and maybe the Clinton’s didn’t realize they took furniture from the White House. The big couch in the living room, it just looked the same as the one from the White House. These people don’t give a crap about doing wrong and they don’t care enough to cover it up unless it’s going to cost them big time. As I’ve said there are probably many officials who have classified docs, few if any ever got in trouble for it. This wasn’t probably ever a Biden concern.They all think they’re invincible. Is it possible someone in the Biden camp was disgruntled and threatened to use it against him. Or maybe Republicans found out about it?

It just doesn’t add up, cannot help but feel something else is going or has gone on behind the scenes. Things are never what they appear in Washington.

 

[HALL85]

The biggest difference with these documents is that they’ve been out there for six years. The Penn Biden Center was opened in 2018. Where were the documents for the two years prior? Was it secure and who had access. Given Biden’s “surprise”, no one will ever know and if copies were made. No visitor logs for his residence? Although not required, another example of no chain of custody on classified documents. Incredibly sloppy, irresponsible and dangerous.

 

[ed odowd]

When you have lawyers moving your boxes and examining the contents you know you thought there may be classified docs there.Question I have is why now after six years Someone raised this to Biden handlers and wonder what prompted that.

 

[SHUHoopsFan]

Again… if anyone threatened to use it against him, he could have just moved it and there would be no issue and it would be entirely covered up. We would have never known he kept anything at all from his time as VP.

Your theory just doesn’t make sense.

You just don't want to admit people in Washington do things that just don't make sense. And maybe they do make sense if we had all the information that is behind closed doors, but we never have it all. So on the outside it may not appear to make sense to any of us, and that's okay because it just might make sense to the people in the arena.

 

[Pirata]

You’d just have to read the thread to follow along.

112 asked the question if they would be treated equally, I replied that they aren’t equal.. so no.

Then came people trying to find ways they are.

Treated equal was referring to the persons and the process. It didn't say that the situations were the same albeit, there was a common thread that classified documents were found in places they probably shouldn't be.

Why hasn't a subpoena been issued to Biden now that we have found documents in multiple locations. Where is the subpoena to search his house. You claim he is cooperating but how come we keep finding new documents. How about we rate his house and search all his bedrooms and see if there are any more documents?

Just read the thread and you can follow along too.

 

[Merge]

Treated equal was referring to the the persons and the process. It didn't say that the situations were the same albeit, there was a common thread that classified documents were found in places that they probably shouldn't be.

Why hasn't a subpoena been issued to Biden now that we have found documents in multiple locations. Where is the subpoena to search his house. You claim he is cooperating but how come we keep finding new documents. How about we rate his house and search all his bedrooms and see if there are any more documents?

Trump was asked to return classified documents by the archives in May 2021. Eight months later the archives gets 15 boxes, though not some of the items they knew Trump had and asked the DOJ to step in.

Three months later a subpoena is issued to retrieve the documents.
A month later Trump's team certifies that after a "diligent search" they had returned all items with classification markings. The DOJ knew they lied and obtained a warrant 2 months later...

You realize if Trump returned the files between the original request in May 2021 and January 2022 when they pretended to give everything back, there would have never been a subpoena, right?

They gave him plenty of opportunity to do it on his own, and the same is being granted to Biden.

It was what Trump did next which made these scenarios and the treatment from then on different.

 

[Pirata]

Your Blue glasses are obscuring your thinking.

You realize if Trump returned the files between the original request in May 2021 and January 2022 when they pretended to give everything back, there would have never been a subpoena, right?

Not necessarily.

You do realize that the raid, complete with lights and cars and guns, was a political stunt, right?

The good news and all this is that it is likely that the documents were not all that important and that neither of these two will run for office in 2024.

 

[Merge]

Not necessarily.

Nonsense.
The judge doesn't sign off on the warrant without evidence that the documents were there. They gave Trump time to correct the issue on his own. He didn't.

The good news and all this is that it is likely that the documents were not all that important and that neither of these two will run for office in 2024.

Trump is running. I don't expect Biden will.
I don't think any of us have any insight as to what was in the documents to say if they were important or not in either case.

 

[Pirata]

And so you honestly believe that the DOJ didn't consult with the White House before raiding a former president's house.

Flashing lights, sirens, guns.

Trump may run but he won't get the nomination.

I said likely not important, not that they definitely were unimportant.

How are we doing with getting those visitor logs? Remember you have to ask him nicely.

 

[Merge]

And so you honestly believe that the DOJ didn't consult with the White House before raiding a former president's house.

I didn't say that.

What I said was that there would not have been a raid if Trump returned the documents.
Without evidence he still had them, the judge doesn't sign off on the warrant.

Trump may run but he won't get the nomination.

Many better options, so I should hope not... but lets see who is willing to take him on.

I said likely not important, not that they definitely were unimportant.

Right, just not sure how you can have an opinion that they were "likely" unimportant.
I wouldn't say that for either of them.

 

[Pirata]

just not sure how you can have an opinion that they were "likely" unimportant.
I wouldn't say that for either of them.

Easy. I believe it would have been leaked by now.

Also, there is a temporaneous aspect to the importance of intelligence and secrets.

My gut is the stuff they had was along the lines of mementos that are no longer valuable and would be used in their respective presidential libraries.

If any of the stuff was truly active Top Secret I don't see it ending up at either Trump's or Biden's places in the manner in which it's being found.

Of all the people involved, I think the person that should be the most worried is Hunter Biden.

I don't see charges being brought against Trump or Biden. I do see it as a political football that will be played out to the hilt by both sides and the media.

I'll stress that I'm stating an opinion and I could be wrong. It happened once before. lol

 

[Merge]

Easy. I believe it would have been leaked by now.

Also, there is a temporaneous aspect to the importance of most, not all, intelligence and secrets.

My gut is the stuff they had was along the lines of momentos that are no longer valuable and would be used in their respective presidential libraries.

If any of the stuff was truly active Top Secret I don't see it ending up at either Trump's or Biden's places in the manner in which it's being found.

Of all the people involved, I think the person that should be the most worried is Hunter Biden.

I don't see charges being brought against Trump or Biden. I do see it as a political football that will be played out to the hilt

I'll stress that I'm stating an opinion and I could be very wrong.

Everything anyone here posts is just an opinion.

I did think Trump was facing some kind of charge, Obstruction of justice seemed relatively easy against Trump given the fact pattern of refusing to give the documents back. Not sure the DOJ can just let someone get away with failing to comply with a subpoena to return classified documents.

With Biden, they would still want to have evidence of intent before bringing charges. Not sure that exists or not but doesn't sound like it at this point.

I see your point about the risks from here are not great because of the temporaneous aspect which is good, but if there is a nefarious reason why they were keeping the documents and evidence that it was used for personal gain- that would change the dynamic here quite a bit.

 

[HALL85]

https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-biden-alleged-rent-payments-conspiracy-theories-1774476

If this is true about Hunter paying $50k a month in rent, the issue of reporting that income by Joe would be a bigger issue. Seems like a drip drip every day.

 

[Merge]

https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-biden-alleged-rent-payments-conspiracy-theories-1774476

If this is true about Hunter paying $50k a month in rent, the issue of reporting that income by Joe would be a bigger issue. Seems like a drip drip every day.

Took about a minute to find it.
The 50k is for a house which was owned by Hunter in LA.

3512 Multiview Dr, Los Angeles, CA 90068 | Zillow

3512 Multiview Dr, Los Angeles CA, is a Single Family home that contains 2012 sq ft and was built in 1961.It contains 3 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms.This home last sold for $2,199,000 in November 2013. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $2,718,100, which has decreased by $142,267 in the last...

www.zillow.com

You love those conspiracy theories though.