Well Trumps tweets this morning certainly aren't helping his chances .
"If the attack was as bad as she says"
"If the attack was as bad as she says"
Kavanaugh and #me too
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112, I'm not sure I agree. Just about every woman I've listened to sees this for what it is....a delay tactic. My wife who despises Trump and leans hard liberal on social issues (she watches Bravo..lol), is disgusted by this charade. Now with the information surfacing about Ford bragging about her H.S. promiscuity, it's not looking good. Let's not forget how women feel about Kav's wife and daughters.
and we wonder why victims of sexual assault don't come forward.
Republicans blocked Garland for over a year. We can wait an additional 4 days to see if Ford is credible.
Therein lies the problem. Will it only be four days? I think not. They say the earliest she will speak is next Thursday. That allows another week for the MSM to keep saying the words "he is accused of sexually assaulting her". And for their polls to grow in the number of people who think he is guilty - they know who to poll. In today's society for any high profile white male that is akin to being guilty. My first instinct when this hit the fan was that no matter how credible she is this is not happening and the more time that goes by ups the odds of that I believe.
And not to play Monday morning QB, I thought they should have gone with Coney Barrett in the first place exactly because of these types of issues.
We will see if confirmation happens or not, but this definitely seems to be the plan of Ford's people and the Democrats, delay as long as possible, be vague and keep spreading the word to make it seem that Kavanaugh is guilty.
When you choose to come forth at a time when your actions will be rightfully challenged due to the political implications, you have to be naïve to think that your character will not come into question as well.
Exactly...the drip, drip, drip. If Ford does speak on Thursday, she can suggest names of people that might have knowledge, which will create the demand to interview more people and stall the process even more. Where I disagree is that unless there is something there, public opinion will continue to turn against her and the Dems. That is already happening.
Oh the repubs definitely screwed over Garland no doubt but the timing and how this has all gone down certainly looks like a charade.
She sent an anonymous letter and didn't expect it explode like this? And she's a college professor? C'mon, this was a deliberate and calculated act by her and Feinstein.
Assume it's true and she doesn't want to go through this process where she is publicly ridiculed and slut shamed but feels that she should do something, is what she did that unreasonable?
If you want Kavanaugh confirmed, the only saving grace IMO is that no other women have come forward. I believe that the Dems were hoping that would be the case but it has not happened which is very different from just about all the other me too cases.
Yes,it was unreasonable. Because no one is going to take or should take an anonymous letter seriously or should an anonymous letter ruin someones career. She had to know that if she really wanted to make this public she was going to have to put her own rep on the line. It was her choice to come forward, no one to my knowledge forced that upon her or her family.
That is why I feel the whole thing has been planned out.
This is delay tactic to push the confirmation vote past the mid-terms with the hope by the Dems that they get control of the Senate.
Well played by the Dems.
Ford gets her 5 minutes of fame and goes down in history as someone who took a stand to protect Row V. Wade and woman's rights.
If they successfully delay and don't win the Senate, they have lost nothing. They will blow their horns about how they defended the helpless victim.
If the Repubs hustle the vote on the confirmation the Dem's can claim bullying etc and use that to pick up votes.
The Dem's home run is if they delay and then win the Senate at which point Kavanaugh will not get confirmed.
Rest assured no one, especially Diane Feinstein, cares whether anything did or didn't happen 36 years ago between Ford and Kavanaugh.
Well played by the Dems.
Ford gets her 5 minutes of fame and goes down in history as someone who took a stand to protect Row V. Wade and woman's rights.
If they successfully delay and don't win the Senate, they have lost nothing. They will blow their horns about how they defended the helpless victim.
If the Repubs hustle the vote on the confirmation the Dem's can claim bullying etc and use that to pick up votes.
The Dem's home run is if they delay and then win the Senate at which point Kavanaugh will not get confirmed.
Rest assured no one, especially Diane Feinstein, cares whether anything did or didn't happen 36 years ago between Ford and Kavanaugh.
Strategically I disagree slightly. I think the public won't support the idea of democrats stalling beyond next week.
The best case for dems would be that Kavenaugh drops out.
Entirely possible, but they should care and sometimes the right thing happens for the wrong reason.
IMO, the protection of Roe v Wade far outweighs any dissatisfaction with a delay.
Roe v Wade is much more strategic.
A very Noble thought but I can't imagine if Ford had no connection to Kavanaugh that Feinstein would give it a moment of her time to investigate an alleged 36 year-old groping by a high schooler.
I can't imagine a single district attorney in the country that would give it 5 minutes.
I think a very large percentage of American males have a little stinky finger on their conscious from high school.
The root of all problems in the U.S. is the corruption of the government. On behalf of corporations (and against the people) the government has decimated America. Half of the American population is either poor or low-income, and 40% of American adults say they can't afford a $400 emergency. America is becoming a failed state.
Trump was elected because he was going to drain the swamp. He was a billionaire, so he didn't have to take any corporate money and wouldn't be beholden to anyone. He was elected and gave an inspiring anti-establishment speech at his Inauguration. Trump, as an homage to his working-class supporters, ceased U.S. involvement in the TPP. Since then, almost all of his decisions have been in support of corporations. It's very similar to Obama - also elected on an anti-establishment platform, and then governed on behalf of corporations.
Does anyone really believe that Trump carefully examined multiple judges and decided that Kavanaugh would be the best for America? The answer is NO. Kavanaugh is the nominee because the corporate donors think he has the best chance of getting confirmed. There are dozens of corporate judges to choose from- they chose Kavanaugh because he's the cleanest and therefore has the best chance of getting confirmed. The donors know that the Democrats don't have a problem with corporate judges (even though corporate power is the cause of America's decline). They know that the Democrats and the Corporate media would never call out a nominee for overwhelmingly supporting corporations. The only reason a nominee would be derailed is if the nominee had an incident in the past and the public found out about it. In fact, Democrat Dianne Feinstein was informed about Kavanaugh being accused of attempted rape- and Feinstein kept that information secret- knowing that it may derail his confirmation.
This is what happens when the media and our politicians are beholden to corporate power. We should be organizing to stand up against our corrupt government. Instead, we're told to get up in arms about the #metoo movement.
Interesting thread. For me, the allegations if true are way worse than what I know of what guys did in high school. This is not just someone who keeps trying to go further as the girl seats his hand away during a makeout session. What really is troubling is the hand over the mouth which is an aggressive and threatening action.
Quite frankly, I tend to believe her allegations since she did reveal it years before at a therapy session. Any person who doesn’t believe it due to the sole reason of non reporting should be ashamed of themselve. How many men did not report sexual abuse by priests until 30 or 40 years later? It is very common not to report it.
Now, on the other hand. Does this action of a 17 yr old should mark him as unfit to serve as a Justice if the man changed his behavior and led an exemplary life? There is a balance that must be done.
Finally, for the Senate not to call the named person in the room, mark Judge, to testify is a joke. That person must testify. Not just Kavanaugh and Ford.
What's actually troubling about Kavanaugh is the way he rules in court cases.
I say stop this clown show now and vote tomorrow:
Third Named Witness Rejects Kavanaugh’s Accuser’s Allegations
By CHARLES C. W. COOKE
September 22, 2018 9:55 PM
In written testimony sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee, a third named witness has rejected the allegations made by Judge Kavanaugh’s accuser. Having been asked by a Senate staffer to comment on the charges advanced against the nominee, a lawyer for Leland Ingham Keyser wrote:
Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford.
Under 18 U.S.C § 1001, letters to the Judiciary Committee are subject to criminal penalty if false.
Ms. Keyer, whom CNN confirms is “a lifelong friend of Ford’s,” is the third named witness to deny any knowledge of the allegations. The other two, Mark Judge and Patrick Smyth, issued written statements to that effect earlier in the week. Thus far, nobody has backed up the account advanced by Kavanaugh’s accuser, while Kavanaugh and three other named witnesses have rejected it outright.
Third Named Witness Rejects Kavanaugh’s Accuser’s Allegations
By CHARLES C. W. COOKE
September 22, 2018 9:55 PM
In written testimony sent to the Senate Judiciary Committee, a third named witness has rejected the allegations made by Judge Kavanaugh’s accuser. Having been asked by a Senate staffer to comment on the charges advanced against the nominee, a lawyer for Leland Ingham Keyser wrote:
Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford.
Under 18 U.S.C § 1001, letters to the Judiciary Committee are subject to criminal penalty if false.
Ms. Keyer, whom CNN confirms is “a lifelong friend of Ford’s,” is the third named witness to deny any knowledge of the allegations. The other two, Mark Judge and Patrick Smyth, issued written statements to that effect earlier in the week. Thus far, nobody has backed up the account advanced by Kavanaugh’s accuser, while Kavanaugh and three other named witnesses have rejected it outright.
It was 26, and only 28% said they were not credible.
Both answers fell on party lines as you would expect but 46% said they were not sure or needed to hear more before deciding. Seems to me that the reasonable people won out here. It’s silly If you’re mind is made up before hearing from Ford.
Give it till Thursday. If we don’t hear from Ford, move forward. If we do, assess from there.
Go back and read it...only 25% of women...fewer than 28% of men. I agree that Thursday is important regarding public opinion but public opinion is waning.
I was surprised Trump didn't pick Coney Barrett. Picking her would have eliminated the "white male" criticism that is rampant in today's society and put the ball in the Democrats' court. Imagine a hearing with Democrats being tough on a woman. That would have been ironic and the shrewed political move. Instead he picked an insider connected to Bush. Goes against everything that Trump campaigned on.
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Dems need to be careful what they wish for...Barrett will be next up if Kav has to drop out.
Right but the optics of pushing this to a vote without hearing from Ford will have a large impact on those numbers.
We’re set for Thursday and we can reassess after that.
Now this:
Drudge Says Ronan Farrow and Jane Mayer Set to Break Report on Kavanaugh: ‘Another Woman?’
by Tamar Auber | Sep 23rd, 2018, 7:20 pm
On Sunday, the Drudge Report ran this blaring headline at the top of their page: “Another Woman?”
The “another woman” appears to refer to a potential — yet still unconfirmed — second Kavanaugh accuser.
According to the all red Drudge report, insiders claim Ronan Farrow and Jane Mayer are set to report on a late twist in [Supreme Court nominee] Brett Kavanaugh‘s confirmation that involves a new woman and a “dildo.”
The site further adds the woman is “Never Trump” and her best friend will say that the woman never told her.
Drudge Says Ronan Farrow and Jane Mayer Set to Break Report on Kavanaugh: ‘Another Woman?’
by Tamar Auber | Sep 23rd, 2018, 7:20 pm
On Sunday, the Drudge Report ran this blaring headline at the top of their page: “Another Woman?”
The “another woman” appears to refer to a potential — yet still unconfirmed — second Kavanaugh accuser.
According to the all red Drudge report, insiders claim Ronan Farrow and Jane Mayer are set to report on a late twist in [Supreme Court nominee] Brett Kavanaugh‘s confirmation that involves a new woman and a “dildo.”
The site further adds the woman is “Never Trump” and her best friend will say that the woman never told her.
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