Kavanaugh and #me too
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I don’t like it either but they learned from the repubs and vice-versa.
The U.S government as we know it does not work anymore thanks to both parties.
Rameriz is a complete scumbag and I hope she rots.
This event either did or did not happen.
If it did not happen, she is lying SOB motivated by political gain.
If it did happen, she is a duplicitous SOB motivated by political gain. I would like to hear her explanation as to why she continued to return to these parties, continued to maintain friendships with the participants, and then 40 years later when her political views differ, she decides to grass. If this happened, it happened when she was a freshman. She continued to participate for 4 years. She decided she wanted to fit in and she let it all slide. Now there's a moral compass to be followed.
Where is her concern for Kavanaugh's wife and daughters? None.
"She said she hadn’t spoken with Ramirez for about ten years, but that the two women had been close all through college, and Kavanaugh had remained part of what she called their “larger social circle.”
" she recalled that heavy drinking was routine and that Ramirez was sometimes victimized and taunted by male students in his social circle. “They were always, like, ‘Debbie’s here!,’ and then they’d get into their ‘Lord of the Flies’ thing,” she said. "
So we are all outraged at the behavior. OK. How about we sanction Yale University for allowing our best and brightest to carry on like utter juveniles. Let's take away their football trophies and limit their basketball scholarships.
But the fact is, no one is really outraged at the behavior. Everyone is delighted to hear this because it adds a fantastic twist to the political intrigue. We are all more now concerned about how this affects the nomination and what the next political move is.
If it did happen, we all know the environment under which it happened. The president of Yale knew and did not seem to care. How about we call for the resignation of the president of Yale and also call for the then President's name to be stricken from the annals of Yale history.
We really don't care that this might be a false allegation and that Kavanaughs wife and two young daughters will be wrongfully and irreparably harmed. Nah, they are just collateral damage.
I say we convict Kavanaugh without a hearing. Let's just assume he did this and can his nomination. Bring on Barret and repeal Roe V. Wade. Then we can all watch Elizabeth Warn shit a canoe.
This event either did or did not happen.
If it did not happen, she is lying SOB motivated by political gain.
If it did happen, she is a duplicitous SOB motivated by political gain. I would like to hear her explanation as to why she continued to return to these parties, continued to maintain friendships with the participants, and then 40 years later when her political views differ, she decides to grass. If this happened, it happened when she was a freshman. She continued to participate for 4 years. She decided she wanted to fit in and she let it all slide. Now there's a moral compass to be followed.
Where is her concern for Kavanaugh's wife and daughters? None.
"She said she hadn’t spoken with Ramirez for about ten years, but that the two women had been close all through college, and Kavanaugh had remained part of what she called their “larger social circle.”
" she recalled that heavy drinking was routine and that Ramirez was sometimes victimized and taunted by male students in his social circle. “They were always, like, ‘Debbie’s here!,’ and then they’d get into their ‘Lord of the Flies’ thing,” she said. "
So we are all outraged at the behavior. OK. How about we sanction Yale University for allowing our best and brightest to carry on like utter juveniles. Let's take away their football trophies and limit their basketball scholarships.
But the fact is, no one is really outraged at the behavior. Everyone is delighted to hear this because it adds a fantastic twist to the political intrigue. We are all more now concerned about how this affects the nomination and what the next political move is.
If it did happen, we all know the environment under which it happened. The president of Yale knew and did not seem to care. How about we call for the resignation of the president of Yale and also call for the then President's name to be stricken from the annals of Yale history.
We really don't care that this might be a false allegation and that Kavanaughs wife and two young daughters will be wrongfully and irreparably harmed. Nah, they are just collateral damage.
I say we convict Kavanaugh without a hearing. Let's just assume he did this and can his nomination. Bring on Barret and repeal Roe V. Wade. Then we can all watch Elizabeth Warn shit a canoe.
I hope you are as interested in the psychology of why men behave in these ways as you are in why women would go along with it.
Ramirez didn't even come forward. Yale grads were talking about it over e-mail and once democrats learned of it, they contacted her to come forward.
“So the story broke overnight but it dates back 35 years. People remember at the time who were -- a classmate at Yale remembers this, he heard it that night I think right after it or the next day And she didn’t come forward with it. What happened was, the classmates at Yale were talking to each other about it. They were e-mailing about it, we have seen emails back in July before Christine Blasey Ford came forward. And eventually, the word of it spread."
Merge curious what your source is on that info. Heard this morning that The NY Times refused to run the story because they could not find any witnesses. Thanks!
That was from an interview with the woman who wrote the New Yorker story, Jane Mayer.
She said that people were e-mailing about the alleged incident back in July wondering if it would come up and that someone from the same dorm corroborated the details of the story. Not an eyewitness but the story he heard matched the one Ramirez gave. That last part does seem a little sketchy to me.
Not at all, I’ve maintained that I have no idea what happened and it is entirely possible that the allegations are not true.
Your “if it didn’t happen” comments are fine. Your “if it did happen” comments are crap.
There could be many reasons why a woman would go back. From wanting to feel accepted, not wanting to be outcast, convincing herself that what they were doing was normal etc... whatever it is doesn’t really matter and should never excuse men who act like animals.
I think you misunderstood. "Rameriz is a complete scumbag and I hope she rots" was meant with love and an open mind.
One thing is for certain: none of these women would be coming forward, 35 years after the fact, if Kavanaugh was an Obama nominee.
This is a sad, sad precedent to set, and one can only assume it will become the norm for nominees to follow.
When I was at SHU, I played Rugby, and there was a guy who used to expose himself to everybody at every Rugby party. I only keep in touch with him via Facebook, but he seems to have a nice career and a loving family.
This is a sad, sad precedent to set, and one can only assume it will become the norm for nominees to follow.
When I was at SHU, I played Rugby, and there was a guy who used to expose himself to everybody at every Rugby party. I only keep in touch with him via Facebook, but he seems to have a nice career and a loving family.
You're entitled to your twisted crap liberal opinion.
Horse-sh_t post of the year!
Go along to get along has been well established as lacking in principles. That is a sad ethos for you to subscribe to.
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That's not what I said at all. I'm not excusing abhorrent behavior in any circumstance.
I'm just not blaming the (alleged) victim because she didn't turn into a hermit in college after someone pulled their pants down and stuck their dick in her face.
Shouldn't it read as follows:
I'm just not blaming the (alleged) victim because she didn't turn into a hermit in college after someone allegedly and with no other corroboration whatsoever pulled their pants down and stuck their dick in her face.
My grandma, God rest her, told me when I went to college - "Be a good boy and don't embarrass your mother. What you do in college will follow you for the rest of your life."
Pirata's "if it did happen" starts with the presumption that it happened.
I just want to make sure you all understand that my opinions on this are coming from a place where I automatically believe Ramirez.
If it didn't happen. She is a horrendous person.
If it did, she is not at fault for someone sticking their dick in her face. She is not at fault for continuing to have a life in college. She is not at fault for not bringing this up earlier. She is not at fault.
So it wouldn't have mattered if she stuck her breast in his face also? There's this thing called context and if it did happen, no one knows the before and after of the event, which would be somewhat material.
Has anyone alleged that happened?
Again, I am not saying Kavanaugh did it... but we can't at least agree that what was alleged is not something a person should do?
That's my point. If you're missing the context that led to the alleged action, you can't say that it's absolutely something a person should or shouldn't do.
That is a no brainer. I agree. I never said anything to the contrary.
However, I will qualify the no-brainer relative to Hall85s comment about context.
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The following is based on the hypothetical that something happened.
Hall85 already made the excellent point about context. That refutes your first sentence.
Regarding your second sentence, she is at fault for continuing to stay with the group and then denouncing their behavior 40 years later for political reasons. She could have found another set of friends. Instead, she chose to compromised her principles for whatever reason. At that point, she owns the bad behavior along with whoever did it. I don't see how you conclude that she could not have a college life by choosing to not socialize with people doing bad things. I recall having a friend in college who at some point I found out was dealing drugs. I promptly disassociated myself. I had other friends. It is not that hard.
I agree with your third sentence. She was right not to bring it up earlier. However, she was wrong to ever bring it up. As I said, she owned it when she chose to go along.
I disagree with your fourth sentence. She is at fault. She compromised her principles. She comprised the trust of friends. Had this been a one time event and she disengaged from them immediately, she would have a legitimate basis to come forward. That ended when she chose to be part of the group. She is rat. A mole. A worm. A grass. History has shown where that cohort stands in society.
Again, the above are comments on hypothetical scenarios drawn out of one side of alleged incident.
Right. You didn't. 85 made up his own context thinking it would give that action better context where it would be ok.
I didn't make up anything. If this incident did happen, do you know all the facts leading up to it? Please share if you do, but until we know those facts, it's silly to make a blanket statement that it was wrong.
I knew a girl in high school who passed out drinking. A guy at the party put Nair in her hair.
I was 3 years older than the guy and told her I was going to beat the shit out of him when I found out who it was. She told me not to do anything because she was afraid of what would happen to her socially because he was one of the "cool" guys. I
She continued stay in the same circle of friends after that.
You saying if that dude is ever nominated to be a supreme court justice she would be wrong in bringing up what happened in the past?
We know what was alleged. There is a discussion of if those allegations are false and if they are true.
IF here allegations are true, (girl almost passed out drunk, looks up and someone is sticking their dick in her face) there is no context that makes it ok.
You usually post your daughters opinions on political topics... You get theirs on this one?
Not if they feel the allegations are true or not, but when it is ok for a man to stick their dick on a drunk woman's face at a party. Cause for me that is never.
Disagree....what if both parties are drunk and she initiates the action by grabbing his dick or exposing her breasts? Not saying that happened, but wouldn't that put a whole different context on it?
And we have had that discussion as a family and my wife and all of our daughters feel the same way...that this feels like nothing more than a political stunt to delay his nomination (and none of them voted for Trump, nor would they again in 2020.)
You're changing what was alleged.
She didn't allege that she grabbed his dick. She said she got up and saw a dick and it wasn't what she wanted so she pushed him away.
IF THAT IS TRUE... There is no context is that ok.
That's fine if they believe it is a stunt. It may be... but when do they think it is ok for a man to stick their dick in a drunk girls face at a party?
I haven't seen any complete report that stated what happened in totality...have you?... and you keep misrepresenting what I said. What part of "what if" don't you understand?
Your last comment doesn't make sense...typo?
I read the article.
She did not want his dick in her face.
There is no "what if" question you could possibly ask that would make it ok for him to stick his dick in her face because she didn't want it there.
No. It is never ok to stick your dick in someones face if they don't want it there.
Of course it’s not OK, Assuming this event happened, what if his version was dramatically different? you have just heard only her side.
If what she has alleged is true (her side of the story) then it is not excusable.
Even if he read the signs wrong, you can't stick your dick in a girls face at a party.
How can you say that when you haven’t heard his side of the story or the “signs” she may have given. She admitted to being completely inebriated. What if she said in her drunken state “show me your Dick”? You are dismissing the entire context and possible conditions of them being together. Is it too far-fetched for someone who is drunk on their ass to forget exactly what they may have said or asked for?
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