Kavanaugh and #me too
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Somehow I keep thinking this may have been one of the worst days in DC political history.
Was thinking about this post when I noticed the senators no longer needed a subject matter expert once they didn’t have to question Ford. Their claim that she was needed kind of falls flat once their grandstanding took over. They were just afraid of the optics.
Not sure where they go from here. Kavanaugh would already have been the least popular nominee to be confirmed even before these allegations same out. Confirming him now would be extraordinarily unpopular, though the GOP May feel there is a real chance to lose te senate and this is their only chance to get a justice on the court.
Unpopular but would set a dangerous precedent...that you can submarine a nominee on baseless accusations.
Right, I think they (Collins a murkowski most likely candidates) will cite his temperament if they decide to vote no.
I disagree....he has a track record as a judge with an impeccable rating. He needed to show anger to defend his reputation.
I don’t necessarily disagree with that, just saying there is a way for them to vote no if they feel the allegations are credible even though the process was a political shit show... and they don’t want to establish a precedent.
Kavanaugh also did not appear to be telling the truth regarding his drinking and his yearbook quotes which can be cooborates by classmates speaking out tonight.
This whole thing since the start has been nothing but grandstanding by both parties, today was just more of the same.
I thought Ford was afraid of flying, LOL???
I have anxiety, and have had to manage that through my life. I had to fly to Chicago 2 weeks ago for work. 8pm flight andit ruined my day because I got anxious about it.
I hate flying but I don’t let that hold me back from my love for travel.
Another thing I was thinking about tonight at my daughters school night as I was sitting in her classroom. I can’t picture my 1st, 3rd, 4th or 5th grade classroom. I can however picture my 2nd grade classroom because I put my teeth through my lip in that room. Trauma triggers something that helps us remember which is why it would be reasonable for Ford would remember specific details of that night but not all of them.
No shit?
I thought it was just a coincidence they picked an homely heavyset woman to interview a homely heavyset woman.
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I think you're full of sh_t !
I can picture all of them including kindergarten without the aid of any trauma to encode my memory. I remember my mother walking me down the street to my first day in Kindergarten and I am pretty sure she did not assault me.
Sorry about your teeth. Perhaps you have PTSD and should go to therapy. You could hold hands with the other kids that were traumatized in 2nd grade. Maybe walk across the coals or beat the shi_t out of a pillow to release your anger and having suffered.
With the flying, try jumping out of the aircraft with 80 pounds of gear and a rifle strapped to you. It cured me.
In the normal course of important jobs, when there is an accusation like this from what I believed was a credible person, you don’t nominate the guy to that position. There are other candidates to choose from and they may be actually worse for Democrats. I don’t believe Kavanaugh when he said he never passed out from drinking as a heavy drinker in high school and college. Well that’s not believable at all.
You have to look at the motivations of each person. What reason does Ford have to come forward and expose herself to this? There is no civil suit. What would be her motivation? Now, look at the motivation for Kavanaugh to not tell the truth. He has a job that he wants. He of course does not want anyone thinking of hi, in that way. He has a motivation to lie. Now is he? Not sure. Maybe he was too drunk and he honestly can’t remember.
This is too close of a call to allow him on the Supreme Court. Moreover, if you do not subpoena Mark Judge to testify, then this was not a truth seeking mission but just a show to push through the vote. He is the guy I want to hear from. How many times does an accuser actually name a witness?
Anyone can deny it in a letter, it’s another thing to be questioned. By the way, if I was Kavanaugh, I would want Mark Judge to testify on my behalf that I had nothing to do with this.
You have to look at the motivations of each person. What reason does Ford have to come forward and expose herself to this? There is no civil suit. What would be her motivation? Now, look at the motivation for Kavanaugh to not tell the truth. He has a job that he wants. He of course does not want anyone thinking of hi, in that way. He has a motivation to lie. Now is he? Not sure. Maybe he was too drunk and he honestly can’t remember.
This is too close of a call to allow him on the Supreme Court. Moreover, if you do not subpoena Mark Judge to testify, then this was not a truth seeking mission but just a show to push through the vote. He is the guy I want to hear from. How many times does an accuser actually name a witness?
Anyone can deny it in a letter, it’s another thing to be questioned. By the way, if I was Kavanaugh, I would want Mark Judge to testify on my behalf that I had nothing to do with this.
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So if all this is as credible as you are claiming, why not bring all this information to bear when they found out about seven weeks ago? It was a political stunt, nothing less nothing more.
And what’s stopping them from hiring an army of investigators to keep going after this alleged incident. If by chance, they turn up the Kavanaugh lied it would be immediate grounds for impeachment and no one would stand behind him.
Maybe Ford is one of the anti-Trump resistors and is doing her suicide bomber routine. Maybe it’s an opportunity to cash in on a book deal. Maybe someone behind the scenes is giving her a boatload of money. There are clearly potential motivational factors that easily can come into play.
I think most of us will agree that Trump’s behavior is shameful, but many of those senators yesterday brought shame to a completely new level. A total embarrassment for this country.
And what’s stopping them from hiring an army of investigators to keep going after this alleged incident. If by chance, they turn up the Kavanaugh lied it would be immediate grounds for impeachment and no one would stand behind him.
Maybe Ford is one of the anti-Trump resistors and is doing her suicide bomber routine. Maybe it’s an opportunity to cash in on a book deal. Maybe someone behind the scenes is giving her a boatload of money. There are clearly potential motivational factors that easily can come into play.
I think most of us will agree that Trump’s behavior is shameful, but many of those senators yesterday brought shame to a completely new level. A total embarrassment for this country.
I think your criticism about why Feinstein did not come out with this information sooner has some merit. I think the timing of it was done purposely for delay. But that is what happens because what was done to Merrick Garland. I am not saying that was right. However, this does not take away the validity if you believe Ford.
Did you watch her testimony? Do you think she is that good of an actress? She came across very credible in my eyes. And the criticism from the Republican Senators seem more directed at Feinstein than Ford. But whatever Feinstein’s motives were is irrelevant to Ford’s accusations and the very believable way she testified to.
Right, which is why I suggested it was crap in the first place and SPK said they were right because she was a subject matter expert. Follow along.
I didn’t watch the testimony… This job thing happened to getting away yesterday… LOL. But what I did see it replays and what is being reported is that both were very credible.
If the strategy was for this to be a make up call for Garland, and nothing else, that’s pretty sad. And I think that was the point yesterday that Kavanaugh made. It’s despicable to destroy man’s reputation for a make up call.
I have no doubt that something happened to Ford, but I think what became evident yesterday was that she was used as a pawn by the Democrats.
Lol, I clearly don’t care what you think. I’m giving you perspective on something you do not understand. I wouldn’t make up that I have anxiety and almost no memories of elementary school. It’s weird. A therapist is actually the one who told me why they think I remember 2nd grade but not the others years ago. I was reminded of that last night in my daughters classroom.
The fact that it doesn’t make sense to you doesn’t make it not true.
Section 112 of the Rivals guide says we are not supposed to lower the bar of the debate; yet you are getting totally abused. Let's see if the people around here that decry the grandstanding and hypocrisy of DC will stand up for you or if they will remain silent because Pirata is one of their own.
Here is what I think is highly suspicious. Why wouldn’t Kavanaugh want Judge to testify to back him up? Judge not wanting to testify on behalf of his friend is highly suspicious. Without hearing from Mark Judge does not look good in my opinion.
Even if Kavanaugh is confirmed that won't be the end of it. Do Republicans think the Democrats will never gain control of the House or Senate again? When they do, get ready for many many investigations of Kavanaugh. Judges can be impeached.
If she testified 2 months ago, wouldn’t she still be ruining his reputation?
The timing while most likely politically motivated by the Democrats doesn’t change anything other than the timing.
And now the American Bar Association is calling for a delay on the vote until there is a full investigation. Would be a mistake moving forward now
Pretty clear why they don’t want him talking. They are afraid of what he will say. He will at a minimum confirm Kavanaugh was a heavy drinker.
Funny how someone can wonder if Ford has been paid to come forward (even through credible testimony) but not wonder if Judge was paid to hide.
Once again, instead of sitting on the information, Feinstein could have brought everything to the table two months ago and have the FBI interview Judge and/or anyone else. It's painfully clear that they know damn well that any further investigation would turn up crickets, which is why they sat on it.
Re: the ABA, both political correspondents on CBS this morning both said it was a nothingburger as it relates to potential votes and that Republicans anticipated the letter and actually were surprised why they sent it AFTER the testimony.
So if it will turn up crickets, finish the investigation and confirm him afterwards. There is nothing preventing that.
If republicans are convinced it will not turn up anything, let the investigation continue while screaming about the political gaming on the left.
They would still get what they want in the end.
The problem as I see it is if she reported this the day after it happened there would have been no charges and it would be he said she said. If the FBI investigated this in July when the letter came out, most likely nothing would come of it because it's he said she said and Ford would not be outed (which was her wish) and Kavanaugh's reputation would be fine.
Kavanaugh has a sterling record in his professional career and mentored many women who are now Federal judges. No one has ever come forward to say he has been anything other than a gentleman and professional in his career. He has had power over many women in his employ and never took advantage of that power like so many other scumbags outed by #metoo. This is different whether you believe he did it or not. His HS antics have nothing to do with him being an impartial Supreme Court judge - nothing. His professional career and record and personal dealings since he has been in the working world have everything to do with opining on if he would be a good judge.
Feinstein took the nuclear option and we are all worse for it today. People now think that mob rule gets to decide things instead of one of the tenants our country has been based on which is innocent until proven guilty. Both parties are complicit and the country is much worse off due to this ridiculous political theater and we don't know anything more today than we did yesterday.
Kavanaugh has a sterling record in his professional career and mentored many women who are now Federal judges. No one has ever come forward to say he has been anything other than a gentleman and professional in his career. He has had power over many women in his employ and never took advantage of that power like so many other scumbags outed by #metoo. This is different whether you believe he did it or not. His HS antics have nothing to do with him being an impartial Supreme Court judge - nothing. His professional career and record and personal dealings since he has been in the working world have everything to do with opining on if he would be a good judge.
Feinstein took the nuclear option and we are all worse for it today. People now think that mob rule gets to decide things instead of one of the tenants our country has been based on which is innocent until proven guilty. Both parties are complicit and the country is much worse off due to this ridiculous political theater and we don't know anything more today than we did yesterday.
From what I see, I think Judge has some pretty heavy personal issues. He either would either not be credible witness or he is just unwilling (too fragile?) to testify. Or both.
I am sure Kavanaugh would want his testimony if Judge was up to it.
Perhaps if Feinstein had turned the letter over when she should have the background checks would have expanded to include Judge.
I believe it's called Mid-Terms.
After they conclude their investigation which will add nothing new, it will give the Dems more time to gin up another baseless accusation which will of souse require another circus hearing and another investigation.
Its all about Roe V. Wade.
Not sure how you are so confident about that. His other friends have stated that he was the steady one of the group who never drank to the point where he could not be relied upon.
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The vote will go forward.
He will likely get passed committee today.
Tuesday is another story.
The impact of yesterday will have ramifications for both sides for years to come.
Like Bork and Thomas, Kavanaugh will be most remembered for yesterday.
He will likely get passed committee today.
Tuesday is another story.
The impact of yesterday will have ramifications for both sides for years to come.
Like Bork and Thomas, Kavanaugh will be most remembered for yesterday.
Even Kavanaugh didn’t claim that himself yesterday.
Several people have come forward talking about how drunk he would get.
His talk about “ralphing” being due to a weak stomach... come on.
He was young and having fun. I’m sure he drank in excess several times just as most of us have.
But you didn't come out publicly and ask for a delay because you are afraid of flying all the while you happily flew around the world. Goes to credibility and character of the witness.
Judge should have testified as should have Patrick Smyth and long-time Ford friend Leland Keyser who have all said they had no recollection of it..
This was nothing but a grandstanding exhibition on the part of all. Payback for Garland, I get it, but 2 wrongs do not make a right. Nobody was seeking justice yesterday, just power. A sad day for America.
I can't see ANY prosecutor moving to indict based on all the evidence we've seen and it's not right to destroy someone and deny them a position they are eminently qualified for.
If you watched her testimony, do you really think she did not appear credible?
It's not unreasonable to suggest that someone who has a fear of flying flies.
I understand why that doesn't make sense to you, but unless you have experienced something similar, you wouldn't understand it.
I didn't watch any of that circus, I thought Ringling Bros. went out if business. I only go on statements and actions.
Both Ford and Kavanaugh went through extensive coaching in preparation for their statements. This happens all the time with the hope that they will appear credible. You can't draw anything from their testimony whether they are credible or not without a full investigation. They both prepared well and there are flaws in both of their accounts so using your opinion that she seemed credible has nothing to do with what really happened. This was not about getting to the truth. This was about political grandstanding by both sides and was not a good day for the USA IMO.
Ford had two months to prepare and it’s pretty obvious that they kept her totally under wraps so there were no distractions or opportunities to compare her behavior before and during the testimony. Somebody scrubbed her social media etc. Kav had been preparing for this anyway. It was a circus designed so that one of them would trip up big time enabling the other to win. Reality TV...just like Trump.
Slightly disagree. Had she not appeared credible yesterday, this would be over.
If she is lying, the people who coached her should be working for Hollywood.
In any case... Pause it a week. Go forward with a full investigation of all alleged to be involved and move on.
We would have been much better off if republicans agreed to an FBI investigation instead of a public hearing.
Sometimes she was credible other times not so much. There were a lot of times she was looking to her lawyers asking how should I answer? I get you want legal counsel but a lot of the questions were not that hard. Also for someone who does not fly a lot seems she has flown a lot lately to Washington, to Delaware and NH and back to Cali. Again none of us really know but her story does not completely line up. Were there 4 people there or 2? Etc. etc. Now there are stories out there saying her friend who was at the party with her does not even know Kavanaugh. Watching on TV was to show she might be credible but has nothing to do with anything. And the investigation should have happened in early August after the letter was sent (and not held) by Feinstein who has a responsibility to the Committee and her role - she abdicated that responsibility for political gain.
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