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I like Coleman and always thought he would be good but I must be watching a different Coleman then most of this board.
He frequently got lost on D and beat on the boards. That Luis put back dunk that changed the momentum was all him not boxing out...
Just my observations ...
 
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I miss the old school under the table ways haha haha, blue chips style, look at that fool who went to Rutgers Derkack everyone including us gushed over him because he scored a lot on MERRIMACK..... if he was so good he wouldnt have gone to MERRIMACK and I'm not even busting on him, I'm annoyed because til NIL came players who were top 200 players made it, and randomly someone above would transfer in and sit out a year 2do so, now me IronKaz can friggin play for you if I look the part......
You're preaching to the choir brother.

Seton Hall has been losing out on recruits because of money for 2 decades now. We were better off with it happening under the table. Now it's out in the open for everyone to see how the sausage is made and it's disgusting.
 
just funny how what Duke and UNC was doing forever with "good players" is now coming to fruition with players who aren't all that .....again RU Derkack NEC player of the year moved up in competittion and no bueno wasn't good enough but took a good paycheck ..... I miss the NCAA not this NBA NCAA
 
I like Coleman and always thought he would be good but I must be watching a different Coleman then most of this board.
He frequently got lost on D and beat on the boards. That Luis put back dunk that changed the momentum was all him not boxing out...
Just my observations ...

No one here is saying Coleman is a #1 but if the market is determining that as a #2 or #3 he can get 1+ mil that's what he will get no matter how much our staff, admin, or board scoffs.
 
You're preaching to the choir brother.

Seton Hall has been losing out on recruits because of money for 2 decades now. We were better off with it happening under the table. Now it's out in the open for everyone to see how the sausage is made and it's disgusting.
eh we did well I believe haha, players didn't transfer when their mother woke up with a cold like they do know ..
 
No one here is saying Coleman is a #1 but if the market is determining that as a #2 or #3 he can get 1+ mil that's what he will get no matter how much our staff, admin, or board scoffs.
a shame because someone like "John Allen" or "Andre Sweet" who played well for us stayed on our team didn't even contemplate leaving and ended up Seton Hall University Alumni
 
Look at Tae Davis now, he has 3 seasons in 1 with us 2 with Notre Dame, why would you leave Notre Dame now? That is an amazing school........ is that 1 season you leave for better than your UND degree Davis?
 
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they need to cap this crap already, I miss the recruiting class rankings , nobody likes these year by year teams even when your team is good, you think Saint John's liked watching this team whom they don't even know?
 
We’re going to have to pay at least 2 players more than $1M each in this cycle to have an impact. A PG being one, preferably. Add those 2 and a couple serviceable guys, then you can return a handful of this years players for cheap depth. That’s where the market is. If we don’t have the stomach for that it’s a problem. If we don’t think Coleman will be one then fine, then find another.

Wait until we get into bidding wars.
PGs and big man are at a premium. 2s and 3s not as much.
 
It is absurd to pay Coleman anything close to $1 million. He has lots of deficiencies and we can do better with that amount.
 
The amount of money being thrown at these college players is insane. I have pretty much come to grips that we might never be competitive again. I am still hoping but really having hard time envisioning it. Will be happy to be proven completely wrong. Too many schools out there willing to pay top dollars for average to slightly above average players. Don’t see how we keep up even with increased NIL. Others are still much higher. Even the average players might be so much we can only get a few. Crazy how fast this got out of control.
 
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Look at Tae Davis now, he has 3 seasons in 1 with us 2 with Notre Dame, why would you leave Notre Dame now? That is an amazing school........ is that 1 season you leave for better than your UND degree Davis?
Can't give too much info. But a highly recruited former BB athlete that has a ND degree who is basically a clean cut white dude like me who is very friendly and well spoken, and many years later has a low paying job with state issued Medicaid insurance. 10k people have walked thru the doors of my business and I honestly have not seen a correlation between your alma mater and financial success.
Personally I feel like 4 yrs at same school gives you the greatest chance of long term success on the court and off the court.
Tae transferred for all the right reasons and I hope he gets that degree.
 
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While I’d like to keep Coleman at a reasonable percentage of our NIL, if he doesn’t return I wouldn’t shed any tears.

As SPK has said, do we want good players from awful teams (like ours last year) or decent players from winning programs?

I would like to have Coleman, but I’d want him to have to work hard to earn his keep. Would he have the passion coming back and could he come to the season with a fresh outlook?

Or is he tainted from the past year?

I sorta got the feeling he coasted the last half of this past season and his heart was somewhere else.
 
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It will be interesting to see how many of these pros (formerly known as student athletes) actually earn a degree when they run out of eligibility.

Note to Agents: include clause in pro’s final contract that he will receive a diploma. (Whether he can put it to good use may be another story).
 
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I miss the old school under the table ways haha haha, blue chips style, look at that fool who went to Rutgers Derkack everyone including us gushed over him because he scored a lot on MERRIMACK..... if he was so good he wouldnt have gone to MERRIMACK and I'm not even busting on him, I'm annoyed because til NIL came players who were top 200 players made it, and randomly someone above would transfer in and sit out a year 2do so, now me IronKaz can friggin play for you if I look the part......
I’ll bet you miss it, when top ten programs only had to spend $50,000 to $75,000 a year to solve their problems. That doesn’t buy you the tenth guy on the bench anymore.
 
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Coleman with any competent players around him would be an absolute stud. Next year on a "real" team expect 12-15ppg, 6 rebounds, 1.5 stl, and an all conference nod.
To me “studs” are very very high level/potential 1st team conference players. I don’t see him ever approaching that level. Guess we’ll see in a few years.
 
It is absurd to pay Coleman anything close to $1 million. He has lots of deficiencies and we can do better with that amount.
So you think that’s going to be easy to replace a 15 point per game BE scorer? And he’s only a sophomore. We need at least three BE starters. If he stays then you only need two. It’s going to be incredibly difficult to get those two/three guys.
 
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The amount of money being thrown at these college players is insane. I have pretty much come to grips that we might never be competitive again. I am still hoping but really having hard time envisioning it. Will be happy to be proven completely wrong. Too many schools out there willing to pay top dollars for average to slightly above average players. Don’t see how we keep up even with increased NIL. Others are still much higher. Even the average players might be so much we can only get a few. Crazy how fast this got out of control.

The amount of money being thrown at these college players is insane. I have pretty much come to grips that we might never be competitive again. I am still hoping but really having hard time envisioning it. Will be happy to be proven completely wrong. Too many schools out there willing to pay top dollars for average to slightly above average players. Don’t see how we keep up even with increased NIL. Others are still much higher. Even the average players might be so much we can only get a few. Crazy how fast this got out of control.
Echoing your point, isn’t it funny that the Fab Five is often cited as a reason why NIL was necessary, yet the Fab Five could never happen today because no single school could afford to pay all of them?
 
there’s absolutely no chance keeping the program at the high D-1 level is worth it.

We’re talking a 4-5 million dollar payroll just to players in a few years. Another million or two in assistants and staff. Travel costs, arena rents, support staff.

At what point do students and faculty revolt as tuition climbs and climbs out of control.
 
I think it's the system that has everyone upset & they re taking their frustration out on Coleman because he's asking for a lot of $.
Is he worth it? I have no idea but why wouldn't he want to try & maximize his earnings. What I do know is that he is a highly skilled player who plays extremely hard & seems very likeable.
 
You’re worth whatever anyone is willing to pay you. Sometimes we might scratch our heads, but if someone wants to pay Player X $2 million, then Player X is worth $2 million. After the labor is exchanged, we can decide whether that was a good value or not.

Cooper Flagg is worth a gold mine. I imagine his base salary was astronomical and then he’s got such high actual NIL value. The kid is in every commercial, and is the face of college hoops this year. He’s as bankable as Eddie Murphy was in 1980s movies.
 
cooper flagg is worth more than lots of nba players so are a nunber of college players
Not really he has not proven himself to be a great or even good NBA player yet. There are a lot of kids coming to the NBA with great college credentials and they never ever translate to the NBA. Yes the potential is there. In the NBA it is a business and you get paid on your results and not your college stats.
 
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