Lincoln

[HALL85]

This week marked the 150th anniversary of Abe Lincoln's Assassination, yet it got no attention by our political leadera, media or civil rights leaders given the impact his leadership and decisions (Emancipation Proclamation???). Sad

This post was edited on 4/19 11:06 PM by HALL85

 

[shu09]

I saw plenty of media coverage about this anniversary.

 

[Pirate6711]

Originally posted by shu09:

I saw plenty of media coverage about this anniversary.

Same here.

 

[HALL85]

Where? Seriously, I didn't see anything other than a newspaper article. Can't find one politician or leader that acknowledged it last week. If you've go links please pass them on.
This post was edited on 4/20 9:42 AM by HALL85

 

[Pirate6711]

Originally posted by HALL85:

Where? Seriously, I didn't see anything other than a newspaper article. Can't find one politician or leader that acknowledged it last week. If you've go links please pass them on.
This post was edited on 4/20 9:42 AM by HALL85

I was only referring to media coverage. There was a ton of it online. As far as politicians, I didn't see anything since, frankly, no politicians right now care about anything other than winning the next election. Winning elections = money and power.

 

[knowknow456]

President Obama declared April 15 a Day of Remembrance.

President Lincoln

 

[Pirate6711]

Originally posted by knowknow456:

President Obama declared April 15 a Day of Remembrance.

Of course, but his communications office makes official proclamations pretty much every day. I think what HALL85 was asking about was some political leader being part of a TV or online/newspaper feature remembering the 150th anniversary of the assassination. It's not surprising that nobody wants to take part in something like that in this political climate. The media within the inner-circles just publishes what they are given. Thankfully, there are tons of other options online with some interesting takes on the assassination 150 years later and how we (society) looks back at it now.

 

[knowknow456]

Originally posted by Pirate6711:

Of course, but his communications office makes official proclamations pretty much every day. I think what HALL85 was asking about was some political leader being part of a TV or online/newspaper feature remembering the 150th anniversary of the assassination. It's not surprising that nobody wants to take part in something like that in this political climate. The media within the inner-circles just publishes what they are given. Thankfully, there are tons of other options online with some interesting takes on the assassination 150 years later and how we (society) looks back at it now.

Personally, I had no problem finding media coverage on the day itself, and thanks to this thread I found a few more interesting things. I am not one who needs to hear from politicians on topics such as this but that is a matter of taste I suppose.

A Day of Remembrance is sufficient for me. Senate Republicans tried as well, but Twitter can be unforgiving

Senate Republican Twitter

 

[Pirate6711]

Originally posted by knowknow456:

Originally posted by Pirate6711:

Of course, but his communications office makes official proclamations pretty much every day. I think what HALL85 was asking about was some political leader being part of a TV or online/newspaper feature remembering the 150th anniversary of the assassination. It's not surprising that nobody wants to take part in something like that in this political climate. The media within the inner-circles just publishes what they are given. Thankfully, there are tons of other options online with some interesting takes on the assassination 150 years later and how we (society) looks back at it now.

Personally, I had no problem finding media coverage on the day itself, and thanks to this thread I found a few more interesting things. I am not one who needs to hear from politicians on topics such as this but that is a matter of taste I suppose.

A Day of Remembrance is sufficient for me. Senate Republicans tried as well, but Twitter can be unforgiving

That link made me laugh, thank you very much.

I had no problem finding media coverage either, but it was all vanilla until you got to the online media that fills in the gaps created by the mainstreamers doing what they're told to do. There were a lot of interesting things out there. I also wasn't looking for any prominent sitting politician to be part of any stories, but I can see why somebody would be disappointed by that.

 

[HALL85]

Originally posted by Pirate6711:

Originally posted by HALL85:

Where? Seriously, I didn't see anything other than a newspaper article. Can't find one politician or leader that acknowledged it last week. If you've go links please pass them on.

This post was edited on 4/20 9:42 AM by HALL85

I was only referring to media coverage. There was a ton of it online. As far as politicians, I didn't see anything since, frankly, no politicians right now care about anything other than winning the next election. Winning elections = money and power.

Thanks 6711...it also speaks to how our politicians value their own self interests against respecting the history and those who forged it. Yes, there was online media coverage, but I didn't see any TV coverage, national, local news. If we really want to set the right tone on equality, civil rights, etc., why not recognize someone who paved the way on the 150th anniversary of his passing?

 

[knowknow456]

So it appears there was coverage and the issue now is how much coverage each medium devoted to it and whether it was sufficient. I only sporadically consume news on TV so I cannot comment on whether the TV coverage was sufficient.

I will say that a politician making a statement commemorating the anniversary of the assassination wouldn't meet my definition of newsworthy. I think most people overwhelmingly consider it a sad day in American history. Using Lincoln's assassination to make a political point about race relations or anything else for that matter takes the focus off the anniversary and politicizes his death.Politicians can invoke Lincoln's name whenever they want to. On the anniversary of his death, I feel it would be best to leave out politics.

 

[HALL85]

I guess it's not in vogue to recognize someone who did more historically to advance equality and freedom at a time where we only seem to focus on those that are divisive to both.

 

[knowknow456]

Recognizing Lincoln for what he did historically to advance equality and freedom need not be limited to a sound byte on the anniversary of his assassination. If a politician has something meaningful to say about those items, it is not too late to make that statement today.

 

[Seton75]

Originally posted by knowknow456:

President Obama declared April 15 a Day of Remembrance.

85 does not recognize anything from Obam.a..lol

 

[SPK145]

Anything on Lincoln's disregard for the Constitution???
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[HALL85]

Originally posted by Seton75:

Originally posted by knowknow456:

President Obama declared April 15 a Day of Remembrance.

85 does not recognize anything from Obam.a..lol

Who said anything about B.O.?lol Haven't seen any Dem or Rep recognition....disregard is the only equal opportunity.

 

[Soyaqui]

I saw a ton of TV coverage.

 

[JIMSOULS]

I guess it's not in vogue to recognize someone who did more historically to advance equality and freedom at a time where we only seem to focus on those that are divisive to both.

Lincoln was seen as divisive in his time, just as LBJ was seen as divisive in 1965 and Obama is seen as divisive now. Over the passage of time, Lincoln's legacy improved immensely. Nowadays, you won't find many Americans with a bad thing to say about Lincoln. In 50 years, the same will be true of "divisive" Obama. Great leaders push the envelope. Lincoln did it then. LBJ did it with his civil rights legislation (though not with the war). Obama is doing it now. I laugh at some of these online articles that "rank the presidents" and include Obama. Legacies are built over time, and in the case of our first minority president, a whole lot of time is needed before we can truly evaluate him. Eventually, I suspect we'll be hard-pressed to find someone in this country who will admit ever disliking Obama.

Progress is painful to many, and sometimes division is needed to make true progress.

 

[HALL85]

Lincoln was seen as divisive in his time, just as LBJ was seen as divisive in 1965 and Obama is seen as divisive now. Over the passage of time, Lincoln's legacy improved immensely. Nowadays, you won't find many Americans with a bad thing to say about Lincoln. In 50 years, the same will be true of "divisive" Obama. Great leaders push the envelope. Lincoln did it then. LBJ did it with his civil rights legislation (though not with the war). Obama is doing it now. I laugh at some of these online articles that "rank the presidents" and include Obama. Legacies are built over time, and in the case of our first minority president, a whole lot of time is needed before we can truly evaluate him. Eventually, I suspect we'll be hard-pressed to find someone in this country who will admit ever disliking Obama.

Progress is painful to many, and sometimes division is needed to make true progress.

comparing Obama to Lincoln??? Where has BO pushed the envelope? Flozell?? Letterman appearances?? Tweeting?? Rushing to judgement on Brown, Martin, etc?? He has been essentially a vacant President. Comparing him to Lincoln and LBJ is a joke.

 

[JIMSOULS]

No it isn't. The problem with someone like you is that you won't acknowledge one single good thing he's done. You only see political party, if not something else. The man took over for a president with zero accomplishments in eight years; In case you've forgotten, Bush's main legacy is war, while his "signature" piece of legislation, No Child Left Behind, has been horrible for school children and teachers. Under Obama, the economy has consistently improved, unemployment has dropped, our international reputation has been restored, and we've made progress on a number of social issues. Those are impressive accomplishments, and have been done despite Obama being met with extreme racism every minute of his presidency. While we know about some of the racism he and his family have been subjected to, you can surely bet that that's only a tiny portion of it. Yet, for the good of the country, he hasn't lashed out, instead handling it with enormous grace and dignity. No president has ever served our country under those conditions. I can't wait to read his memoirs. Hopefully he drops the gloves and reveals everything about the racism. It certainly won't be a pretty picture of our supposedly great country.

More Lincoln and Obama. Without question, Lincoln was the most divisive president in our history. People claimed he couldn't lead, and the country split in two while he was in office. What do people say about Lincoln now? That he was our greatest president. His legacy is beyond reproach. On some level, we'll see the Obama legacy also improve with the passage of time. In 10 years, you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who'll admit they didn't like Obama. In 50 years, his birthday will be a national holiday. Laugh if you want, but folks would have laughed in 1865 if someone had suggested that about Lincoln. Mr. Obama is a true pioneer in American politics. He is presiding over an important time in our history. While we have a long way to go, our country is back to moving forward after the unfortunate Bush years. Obama is the reason.

 

[shu09]

Every president's legacy improves as the years go on. People are more removed from the bitterness and passion of the moment.

While it is still too early to even judge George W. Bush's legacy, I believe both Bush and Obama will be looked at fondly by historians 50 years from now. Regarding Obama, I see him as a Truman-like figure. Very unpopular during his time in office but held in fairly high regard many years later.

I believe Bush was an average president. I see Obama as an average to slightly above average president. Neither comes close to the great ones, but both are far away from the worst.

 

[shu09]

No it isn't. The problem with someone like you is that you won't acknowledge one single good thing he's done. You only see political party, if not something else. .

JIMSOULS, while I generally agree with your feelings on Obama, your argument is weakened because of what I quoted here above. After saying that, you then went on a rant about Bush, not acknowledging a single good thing that he did. You can't have it both ways.

 

[JIMSOULS]

What did Bush do that was good? His signature piece of legislation is a colossal failure. The weak economy and our poor international reputation during his presidency are on him. And as far as I can see, Obama hasn't started any wars. The Obama years would have been even better had it not been for the Bush mess that was inherited.

 

[shu09]

And as far as I can see, Obama hasn't started any wars.

Maybe your definition of war is different from mine, but countless drone strikes and bombing campaigns in Iraq and Syria have been ordered by him.

I'd also argue that Obama would never have been president had it not been for George W. Bush. Bush, his policies and the desire for a change of course from those policies had a direct effect on Obama winning the 2008 election.

 

[shu09]

PEPFAR, the Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty, SOX and the emergency economic measures of 2008 were some of his better achievements.

I wasn't a big Bush fan but I respected him and don't think history will bury him at all.

 

[HALL85]

No it isn't. The problem with someone like you is that you won't acknowledge one single good thing he's done. You only see political party, if not something else. The man took over for a president with zero accomplishments in eight years; In case you've forgotten, Bush's main legacy is war, while his "signature" piece of legislation, No Child Left Behind, has been horrible for school children and teachers. Under Obama, the economy has consistently improved, unemployment has dropped, our international reputation has been restored, and we've made progress on a number of social issues. Those are impressive accomplishments, and have been done despite Obama being met with extreme racism every minute of his presidency. While we know about some of the racism he and his family have been subjected to, you can surely bet that that's only a tiny portion of it. Yet, for the good of the country, he hasn't lashed out, instead handling it with enormous grace and dignity. No president has ever served our country under those conditions. I can't wait to read his memoirs. Hopefully he drops the gloves and reveals everything about the racism. It certainly won't be a pretty picture of our supposedly great country.

More Lincoln and Obama. Without question, Lincoln was the most divisive president in our history. People claimed he couldn't lead, and the country split in two while he was in office. What do people say about Lincoln now? That he was our greatest president. His legacy is beyond reproach. On some level, we'll see the Obama legacy also improve with the passage of time. In 10 years, you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who'll admit they didn't like Obama. In 50 years, his birthday will be a national holiday. Laugh if you want, but folks would have laughed in 1865 if someone had suggested that about Lincoln. Mr. Obama is a true pioneer in American politics. He is presiding over an important time in our history. While we have a long way to go, our country is back to moving forward after the unfortunate Bush years. Obama is the reason.

Someone like me?? If you've read any of my posts, I have no use for people that vote blindly along party lines. I've also stated on multiple occasions that the best thing for this country would be to actually have TWO strong candidates for President in 2016. Look in the mirror...your first defense of Obama is to criticize Bush. Who's the blind partisan?

Funny you state things that improved during his Presidency, but I don't see the things that he did to improve them. I could make the similar argument that the wealth gap is significantly greater today than any time in our history. That improved economy that you give him credit is not helping those he claims to want to help. When Obama was elected in 2008, he had a great opportunity to unite the country with populous support and a Democratic Congress and he failed miserably. He has been divisive from Day One...name one thing he had done to bring Congress, the races or country together?