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Some of these cities will need to learn that they need to get out ahead when these decisions are handed down. Police, mayor, council and community leaders should have been meeting and coming up with an all-hands on deck plan and doing outreach. They also need to have a plan to deal with violence (residents and agitators from out of town).
 
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Can’t see criminal charges in this case against the police officers. They returned fire and the result was a tragic accidental death. In my opinion this is not a crime. Whether civil Dámages should be awarded is another and separate matter. Far too many people confuse civil wrongs with criminal liability.
 
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As predicted no criminal charges for the death of Briona Taylor. People have conflated civil wrongs with criminal liability. This leads to this outrage on the part of the community which if they were ever better informed by family lawyers, community leaders they would not have this false expectation.

This case was not a close call. But family lawyers stoked the flames of demanding that the officers be charged either out of ignorance or knowingly trying to incite things when this was properly decision by the grand jury not to indict. I thought the AG did a nice job trying to explain it, but no one listened.
 
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cernjSHU said:
As predicted no criminal charges for the death of Briona Taylor. People have conflated civil wrongs with criminal liability. This leads to this outrage on the part of the community which if they were ever better informed by family lawyers, community leaders they would not have this false expectation.

This case was not a close call. But family lawyers stoked the flames of demanding that the officers be charged either out of ignorance or knowingly trying to incite things when this was properly decision by the grand jury not to indict. I thought the AG did a nice job trying to explain it, but no one listened.
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Agree. Glad to see the system still works despite the nonsense and noise coming from some corners. All crimes are tragedies, but not all tragedies are crimes. Unfortunately many of our fellow citizens, our media and some of our politicians (that's what's most frightening) don't understand the criminal justice system.
 
shu09 said:
Agree. Glad to see the system still works despite the nonsense and noise coming from some corners. All crimes are tragedies, but not all tragedies are crimes. Unfortunately many of our fellow citizens, our media and some of our politicians (that's what's most frightening) don't understand the criminal justice system.
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And dumbass republican senators rubbing salt in the wound on social this morning. Rand Paul and Josh Hawley need to get off twitter.
 
Are you referring to these?




Nothing inflammatory there. I take it you don't care if the innocent officers shot last night recover? Quite shameful on your part.
 
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Our politicians are failing us big time with this issue. We have a President who pours gasoline on a powder keg that has exploded. Then I hear Cory Booker this morning say he was saddened about the Grand Jury's decision not to indict the officers for killing Taylor? Huh? The facts are not in dispute. Cops at door whether or not they announced their presence is irrelevant to this, Taylor's BF fired one shot hitting the femoral artery of one of the cops. That is life threatening. Cops fired back and tragically Taylor died. What did Booker expect the cops to do? Not fire back? Ridiculous. Let's say that the cop died as well in that incident. Believe it or not depending on whether a jury believed that the bf heard the police announce their presence, we could have two people dead and not have any charges based upon those deaths because both reasonably believed that they were acting in self-defense.

The BF is going to use that argument to justify firing first at the cops. And he may be right depending on the facts. Yes, one person or two people dead but it was a tragic mistake and not criminal acts. Politicians need to educate the public.
 
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cernjSHU said:
Our politicians are failing us big time with this issue. We have a President who pours gasoline on a powder keg that has exploded. Then I hear Cory Booker this morning say he was saddened about the Grand Jury's decision not to indict the officers for killing Taylor? Huh? The facts are not in dispute. Cops at door whether or not they announced their presence is irrelevant to this, Taylor's BF fired one shot hitting the femoral artery of one of the cops. That is life threatening. Cops fired back and tragically Taylor died. What did Booker expect the cops to do? Not fire back? Ridiculous. Let's say that the cop died as well in that incident. Believe it or not depending on whether a jury believed that the bf heard the police announce their presence, we could have two people dead and not have any charges based upon those deaths because both reasonably believed that they were acting in self-defense.

The BF is going to use that argument to justify firing first at the cops. And he may be right depending on the facts. Yes, one person or two people dead but it was a tragic mistake and not criminal acts. Politicians need to educate the public.
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Cern this is understood however what about the 2nd amendment, only white people can have personal guns to protect themselves legally when they think there is a break in.

If Breonna was a white woman involved with some Oxy pusher and a black cop did this and killed her, the narrative doesnt swing to the other side?
 
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cernjSHU said:
Our politicians are failing us big time with this issue. We have a President who pours gasoline on a powder keg that has exploded. Then I hear Cory Booker this morning say he was saddened about the Grand Jury's decision not to indict the officers for killing Taylor? Huh? The facts are not in dispute. Cops at door whether or not they announced their presence is irrelevant to this, Taylor's BF fired one shot hitting the femoral artery of one of the cops. That is life threatening. Cops fired back and tragically Taylor died. What did Booker expect the cops to do? Not fire back? Ridiculous. Let's say that the cop died as well in that incident. Believe it or not depending on whether a jury believed that the bf heard the police announce their presence, we could have two people dead and not have any charges based upon those deaths because both reasonably believed that they were acting in self-defense.

The BF is going to use that argument to justify firing first at the cops. And he may be right depending on the facts. Yes, one person or two people dead but it was a tragic mistake and not criminal acts. Politicians need to educate the public.
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Sad we have to wait so long for facts to come out. Meantime we have folks creating their own narrative base on no facts. We use to live in a country where folks waited for the story to be complete. Somewhere around 2008 we started convicting folks without any facts.
 
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HALL85 said:
Well they were shot last night....should they wait a week before tweeting?
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We knew this was going to happen. High emotional outrage, cops were gonna be out there, bound to likely be hurt or shot at. Again i do not condone targeting law enforcement for bitterness and fallout that a community feels they are biased against. Hall85 you thought we would wake up today and all is well in Louisville.
 
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Cern this is understood however what about the 2nd amendment, only white people can have personal guns to protect themselves legally when they think there is a break in.

If Breonna was a white woman involved with some Oxy pusher and a black cop did this and killed her, the narrative doesnt swing to the other side?
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No we would wait for the facts, police generally announce themselves at the door first. Bang bang on the door police open the door. Would most people open fire when they hear the police are at the door? These conversations are really as stupid as they come. The BF was inside gun in his hand waiting? Or heard it was the police had time to grab his gun and shoot? This is now the question in my opinion. White or black same stupid question.
 
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We knew this was going to happen. High emotional outrage, cops were gonna be out there, bound to likely be hurt or shot at. Again i do not condone targeting law enforcement for bitterness and fallout that a community feels they are biased against. Hall85 you thought we would wake up today and all is well in Louisville.
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We knew cops were going to be shot? Well if we expect that maybe we should be instituting Marshall law.

Two humans that put their life on the line to protect and serve were shot by a rioter. That’s a fact and there is no excuse for it nor should it be tolerated.
 
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SHallguy2 said:
No we would wait for the facts, police generally announce themselves at the door first. Bang bang on the door police open the door. Would most people open fire when they hear the police are at the door? These conversations are really as stupid as they come. The BF was inside gun in his hand waiting? Or heard it was the police had time to grab his gun and shoot? This is now the question in my opinion. White or black same stupid question.
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Well was this a no knock warrant or did the police and da twist the narrative to correct after the fact?
 
HALL85 said:
We knew cops were going to be shot? Well if we expect that maybe we should be instituting Marshall law.

Two humans that put their life on the line to protect and serve were shot by a rioter. That’s a fact and there is no excuse for it nor should it be tolerated.
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If you are uniformed PD in Louisville i think you had a reasonable expectation to presume you really need to be on heightened alert yesterday.
Moreso, again I point to the fact of access to black market guns on the streets. Guns are in the wrong hands.
 
NYShoreGuy said:
Cern this is understood however what about the 2nd amendment, only white people can have personal guns to protect themselves legally when they think there is a break in.

If Breonna was a white woman involved with some Oxy pusher and a black cop did this and killed her, the narrative doesnt swing to the other side?
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This is an absolute false argument. It has nothing to do with her race. This argument that you think it would be different t if Taylor was white is a reckless argument being pushed by some politicians. How can anyone be held criminally responsible after being shot at, you fired back. That goes for citizens and cops.

You fail to see that the BF May have a genuine self-defense argument for firing first. He fired blindly. He was not fired upon and depending on the facts, he has a self defense argument and may avoid criminal liability. Otherwise, he is going to go to jail for using that gun unlawfullly, aggravated assault and probably attempted murder. The BF benefits from the same logic that the police do. But no one sees that.

Again, we are only talking about criminal responsibility.
 
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Well was this a no knock warrant or did the police and da twist the narrative to correct after the fact?
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Unlikely if you think about it. The BF had time to get his gun. If police came into the apartment unannounced the BF would not have the time to grab his gun unless he was sleeping or carrying it. Are Folks who carry or sleep with a gun usually innocent types? Have to ask this question since all the facts are not in yet. Sounds like race baiting situation but I personally want to wait until facts are discussed. I’m sure you also want the facts as well. Right?
 
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If you are uniformed PD in Louisville i think you had a reasonable expectation to presume you really need to be on heightened alert yesterday.
Moreso, again I point to the fact of access to black market guns on the streets. Guns are in the wrong hands.
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Nice job moving the goalposts (you have a habit of that). We have gone from
bound to be hurt or shot at" to now being on "heightened alert". No one takes your arguments seriously as evidenced by this thead.
 
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Hypothetical: intruder breaks into a house with intent to rob, its night, its dark, you as home owner has a registered licensed handgun, intruder lifts hands up and forward, you shoot in self defense, intruder later dies from injuries of the gun shot, what does the local DA do?
 
It was a no knock warrant but not served as such.

"(Attorney General ) Cameron said that his investigation shows that officers knocked and announced themselves as police before entering Taylor's apartment. He said this was corroborated by a civilian witness who was near Taylor’s apartment on the night of the shooting.

Other witnesses have said they did not hear police announce their presence.

“In other words, the warrant was not served as a no-knock warrant," the attorney general said."
 
NYShoreGuy said:
Hypothetical: intruder breaks into a house with intent to rob, its night, its dark, you as home owner has a registered licensed handgun, intruder lifts hands up and forward, you shoot in self defense, intruder later dies from injuries of the gun shot, what does the local DA do?
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Are you serious???? WTF do you think he will do.

A. Nothing.
B. Nothing.
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C. Nothing.

BTW,

"Intent to rob" - irrelevant
""handgun" - irrelevant

Also, could you enlighten us as to what "hands up and forward" is?
 
NYShoreGuy said:
Hypothetical: intruder breaks into a house with intent to rob, its night, its dark, you as home owner has a registered licensed handgun, intruder lifts hands up and forward, you shoot in self defense, intruder later dies from injuries of the gun shot, what does the local DA do?
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You aré failing to understand that the burglar has no legal right to be in that house. Whereas, the police have a judicially Approved warrant. So the two situations are not analogous. The home owner would not face any criminal liability.
In your scenario, it is likely that the homeowner could face civil liability.
And remember the bf may not have criminal responsibility either in this case even though the police were legally entering the house. This is a fact sensitive question. If the police did not announce their presence, the BF in no way can be facing criminal responsibility when he objectively believed that he was facing an intruder. However, if it comes out that the police did announce and he should have heard it, then he will be liable criminally.
 
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Nice job moving the goalposts (you have a habit of that). We have gone from
bound to be hurt or shot at" to now being on "heightened alert". No one takes your arguments seriously as evidenced by this thead.
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Let me ask you this, you were about 30 when the verdict came in with cops in la vs rodney king...at that time what did you think would happen in reaction to that?
 
NYShoreGuy said:
Let me ask you this, you were about 30 when the verdict came in with cops in la vs rodney king...at that time what did you think would happen in reaction to that?
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Just stop....Youve lost every argument in this thread. Quit while you’re ahead.
 
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Hardly the case. Its just morning after value hunting to their base/followers.
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huh? so your protesters can protest the day of but the other side can’t say anything? Get real

the Louisville “protests” were violent with our LEOs getting attacked. Civilized nations don’t allow attacks on LE

PS, Rand Paul is the answer to my question above re no knock warrants
 
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Cern this is understood however what about the 2nd amendment, only white people can have personal guns to protect themselves legally when they think there is a break in.

If Breonna was a white woman involved with some Oxy pusher and a black cop did this and killed her, the narrative doesnt swing to the other side?
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No. It doesn’t. It’s not a race issue!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cops DID knock on the door. <br>Breonna’s BOYFRIEND fired first. <br>She was NOT sleeping. <br><br>Black Lives Matter does not care about facts. They seek to riot and loot and are now holding America under siege. <br><br>Our DOJ should be investigating this DOMESTIC TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.</p>&mdash; Candace Owens (@RealCandaceO) <a href="">September 24, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There has not been a single black lives matter case this year in which the “victim” was not involved in criminality. <br><br>Not George Floyd. <br>Not Rayshard Brooks<br>Not Jacob Blake<br>Not Breonna Taylor<br><br>Philando Castile was a true victim. We have come a long way since then.</p>&mdash; Candace Owens (@RealCandaceO) <a href="">September 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cops DID knock on the door. <br>Breonna’s BOYFRIEND fired first. <br>She was NOT sleeping. <br><br>Black Lives Matter does not care about facts. They seek to riot and loot and are now holding America under siege. <br><br>Our DOJ should be investigating this DOMESTIC TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.</p>&mdash; Candace Owens (@RealCandaceO) <a href="
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You can be against the protests, feel nothing unjustified took place but candace owens tweet postings is not the hill to die on
 
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You can be against the protests, feel nothing unjustified took place but candace owens tweet postings is not the hill to die on
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Same goes for Lebron and Clint Eastwood hills.

curious which hill you’re on.

Majority don’t have problems with protests.

Majority have a problem with rioting and looting and killing cops, falsely described as protest, especially under the circumstances.
 
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Hallsome said:
Same goes for Lebron and Clint Eastwood hills.

curious which hill you’re on.

Majority don’t have problems with protests.

Majority have a problem with rioting and looting and killing cops, falsely described as protest, especially under the circumstances.
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Isnt Lebron one here many would support? He didnt grow up in a nuclear family. He now has multi generational wealth. He is a social justice/voter registeration advocate. He has arguably been at center of attention athletically and culturally the last 18 years. He gives back to youth, started a charter school in his hometown.

I forgot, he is black, an NBA player who should be on autopilot droid performance and has no right to display his thoughts and he has been virtue signaling this whole time.
 
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Isnt Lebron one here many would support? He didnt grow up in a nuclear family. He now has multi generational wealth. He is a social justice/voter registeration advocate. He has arguably been at center of attention athletically and culturally the last 18 years. He gives back to youth, started a charter school in his hometown.

I forgot, he is black, an NBA player who should be on autopilot droid performance and has no right to display his thoughts and he has been virtue signaling this whole time.
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Why are you the only one who has brought up race on this thread now at least two occasions? It is people like you that make race relations worse. Treat people based on their actions and not by the color of their skin.
 
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Isnt Lebron one here many would support? He didnt grow up in a nuclear family. He now has multi generational wealth. He is a social justice/voter registeration advocate. He has arguably been at center of attention athletically and culturally the last 18 years. He gives back to youth, started a charter school in his hometown.

I forgot, he is black, an NBA player who should be on autopilot droid performance and has no right to display his thoughts and he has been virtue signaling this whole time.
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No support from me for Lebron he’s done more damage from his own ignorance to the black community than anyone can realize. I will give him credit for starting a charter school. He’s sending a bad message to young People that they cannot get ahead because of the color of their skin when he already has achieve success. Unforgivable support to China for financial gain has caused me to write him off. Black or white he’s a bad role model
 
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He has an opinion, you disagree, its funny?

Is he virtue signaling as well?

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He’s entitled to his; I’m entitled to mine. Hard to believe it’s that hard to play basketball and earn millions after hearing the outcome. I was upset about the two cops being shot, but I went about my day and didn’t whine about it.
 
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Unlikely if you think about it. The BF had time to get his gun. If police came into the apartment unannounced the BF would not have the time to grab his gun unless he was sleeping or carrying it. Are Folks who carry or sleep with a gun usually innocent types? Have to ask this question since all the facts are not in yet. Sounds like race baiting situation but I personally want to wait until facts are discussed. I’m sure you also want the facts as well. Right?
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many people sleep with something under their bed, just in case of a breakin. even in the sleepy burbs my dad had a bat under his bed.
 
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