Another awful take. No complaints about "say her name" for months prior, when it was a pretty clear cut tragic accident.
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Another awful take. No complaints about "say her name" for months prior, when it was a pretty clear cut tragic accident.
Yeah nevermind what a POC who is a woman says, because she's not regurgitating the narrative. And that black AG is obviously a racist, too, per you. This thread hasn't outed you as an ignoramous, but it's certainly cemented it.
Overall this is just a sad situation for all. It is sad for Breonna Taylor's family because she was unarmed and she lost her life, its sad for the city of Louisville, and its sad for the police department because it creates a negative lights on officers that do follow policies and make the right decision.
This is an emotional case and people have a right to be upset. A young woman is dead at the hands of police. There are many facts I think the public needs to hear, but I think there are a lot of different holes in this investigation that perhaps with different leadership would have resulted in a different outcome. Multiple law professionals including judges said they actually would have indicted the officers. I actually had several questions that the AG didn't really address.
1. Did the Police actually announce themselves. Even though it is documented that they were granted a no knock warrant, they said that they actually announced themselves. If that's the truth then why of the 12 neighbors that were interviewed only 1 neighbor admitted to hearing the police. That 1 witness actually denied hearing the police initially and changed their answer after 3 separate interviews. So if 11 different people said they heard nothing including Taylor's BF, why is the word of 1 neighbor and of course the officers enough to go by.
2. If they truly made a genuine announcement that they were police why would her boyfriend Kenneth Walker shoot at them? He was arrested that night for shooting at them(I believe a poster here wasn't sure but he was arrested), but they dropped the charges. Why would they do that if they knew for sure that they announced themselves? That doesn't make a sense. Walker has actually never been in trouble before and he legally owns a handgun. One poster made a comment assuming that because he keeps a gun next to him he must not be innocent. That is a very bias statement. Just like many other white Americans he legally owns the gun and he can keep it wherever he likes and if his home was being burglarized(not by Police just giving a general example) he has the right to defend himself. Further evidence that he didn't know the police were there is that he called 911 for help after she was shot. Why would he do that if the police were already there and could provide medical attention. We are still awaiting documentation that the officers rendered aid, because reports are saying that did not provide medical attention for over 20 min which is a troubling issue for people who are trained first responders.
3. I could understand that it justified for officers to fire back at Walker, but why is gunfire towards Taylor justified. She did not have a gun and posed no threat to the officers. What is even more concerning is they shot all those rounds and not a single shot hit the man who fired the gun. Did they even know where they were shooting/ They charge the officer for firing bullets and hitting the apartment of individuals who were innocent, but not for firing at Breonna who has no weapon?
lawandcrime.com
These two articles summarize some important questions that hopefully will be answered within the coming days. I think it is necessary to provide some clarity on this case. I think it is also necessary to understand what the attorney general actually presented to the grand jury. It is well documented that one of the reasons that it is difficult to prosecute officers is due to the office's relationship with the Attorney General. It is not a secret and there is opportunity for bias.
This is an emotional case and people have a right to be upset. A young woman is dead at the hands of police. There are many facts I think the public needs to hear, but I think there are a lot of different holes in this investigation that perhaps with different leadership would have resulted in a different outcome. Multiple law professionals including judges said they actually would have indicted the officers. I actually had several questions that the AG didn't really address.
1. Did the Police actually announce themselves. Even though it is documented that they were granted a no knock warrant, they said that they actually announced themselves. If that's the truth then why of the 12 neighbors that were interviewed only 1 neighbor admitted to hearing the police. That 1 witness actually denied hearing the police initially and changed their answer after 3 separate interviews. So if 11 different people said they heard nothing including Taylor's BF, why is the word of 1 neighbor and of course the officers enough to go by.
2. If they truly made a genuine announcement that they were police why would her boyfriend Kenneth Walker shoot at them? He was arrested that night for shooting at them(I believe a poster here wasn't sure but he was arrested), but they dropped the charges. Why would they do that if they knew for sure that they announced themselves? That doesn't make a sense. Walker has actually never been in trouble before and he legally owns a handgun. One poster made a comment assuming that because he keeps a gun next to him he must not be innocent. That is a very bias statement. Just like many other white Americans he legally owns the gun and he can keep it wherever he likes and if his home was being burglarized(not by Police just giving a general example) he has the right to defend himself. Further evidence that he didn't know the police were there is that he called 911 for help after she was shot. Why would he do that if the police were already there and could provide medical attention. We are still awaiting documentation that the officers rendered aid, because reports are saying that did not provide medical attention for over 20 min which is a troubling issue for people who are trained first responders.
3. I could understand that it justified for officers to fire back at Walker, but why is gunfire towards Taylor justified. She did not have a gun and posed no threat to the officers. What is even more concerning is they shot all those rounds and not a single shot hit the man who fired the gun. Did they even know where they were shooting/ They charge the officer for firing bullets and hitting the apartment of individuals who were innocent, but not for firing at Breonna who has no weapon?
Daniel Cameron Got Law Wrong in Breonna Taylor Case: Adil Haque | Law & Crime
Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron (R) got the law wrong when explaining why Louisville Police Sgt. Jon Mattingly and Detective Myles Cosgrove were not charged in the shooting death of Breonna Taylor, a Rutgers Law School professor says.
lawandcrime.com
The 'very troubling' questions Kentucky's attorney general isn't answering on the Breonna Taylor decision
Why wasn’t Brett Hankison charged with endangering Breonna Taylor? Did the grand jury even vote on homicide charges? A look at unanswered questions.
www.usatoday.com
These two articles summarize some important questions that hopefully will be answered within the coming days. I think it is necessary to provide some clarity on this case. I think it is also necessary to understand what the attorney general actually presented to the grand jury. It is well documented that one of the reasons that it is difficult to prosecute officers is due to the office's relationship with the Attorney General. It is not a secret and there is opportunity for bias.
They charged the one officer because he fired blindly into the apartment.
If you look at the photo below, you can see the patio door. The apartment was first floor. The charged cop fired 10 shots through the patio door when he heard Walkers shot.
The other two officers had entered the apartment and returned fire while inside.
It seems pretty straightforward from either side.
Cops. They knocked, announced, waited, then battered the door down. Two cops enter and one is outside guarding the patio exit. A shot goes off and all three return fire.
Walker and Taylor: They are in bed. They here a loud banging. Walker grabs his gun. He suspects intruders. The door is knocked open. He fires a round in self defense. They are met with 32 rounds returned. Taylor is hit 5 times, 1 is fatal.
Tragic.
If you look at the photo below, you can see the patio door. The apartment was first floor. The charged cop fired 10 shots through the patio door when he heard Walkers shot.
The other two officers had entered the apartment and returned fire while inside.
It seems pretty straightforward from either side.
Cops. They knocked, announced, waited, then battered the door down. Two cops enter and one is outside guarding the patio exit. A shot goes off and all three return fire.
Walker and Taylor: They are in bed. They here a loud banging. Walker grabs his gun. He suspects intruders. The door is knocked open. He fires a round in self defense. They are met with 32 rounds returned. Taylor is hit 5 times, 1 is fatal.
Tragic.
3. I could understand that it justified for officers to fire back at Walker, but why is gunfire towards Taylor justified. She did not have a gun and posed no threat to the officers. What is even more concerning is they shot all those rounds and not a single shot hit the man who fired the gun. Did they even know where they were shooting/ They charge the officer for firing bullets and hitting the apartment of individuals who were innocent, but not for firing at Breonna who has no weapon?
Daniel Cameron Got Law Wrong in Breonna Taylor Case: Adil Haque | Law & Crime
Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron (R) got the law wrong when explaining why Louisville Police Sgt. Jon Mattingly and Detective Myles Cosgrove were not charged in the shooting death of Breonna Taylor, a Rutgers Law School professor says.
The 'very troubling' questions Kentucky's attorney general isn't answering on the Breonna Taylor decision
Why wasn’t Brett Hankison charged with endangering Breonna Taylor? Did the grand jury even vote on homicide charges? A look at unanswered questions.www.usatoday.com
These two articles summarize some important questions that hopefully will be answered within the coming days. I think it is necessary to provide some clarity on this case. I think it is also necessary to understand what the attorney general actually presented to the grand jury. It is well documented that one of the reasons that it is difficult to prosecute officers is due to the office's relationship with the Attorney General. It is not a secret and there is opportunity for bias.
Figures that it is a Rutgers law professor who loudly claims that the Kentucky AG got it wrong. This is not a big apartment. And while I don't have any facts, it just makes sense that Taylor and her boyfriend were in the same general vicinity of each other when the police started to shoot inside the apartment. Therefore, you can't be reckless in shooting blindly when she was in the same general vicinity.
It is not like Taylor was on the second floor of a house and the shots came from the first floor which would be the basis for the Rutgers professors theory on how the cops could get indicted. The one cop did get indicted on this theory except that none of his bullets could be identified as the bullet that his Taylor. His shots recklessly risked the lives of the neighbors. Clearly, the two cops at the door, and let's not forget one of them was shot, shot inside the apartment in the direction of where the shot came from. Unfortunatel, Taylor was in that area and died. It is a horrible tragedy but in no way is this a crime.
I think that one of the big questions is did they knock and announce themselves. Out of 12 witnesses that live in the apartment only 1 person actually heard them. I would assume that before they consider breaking down a door their announcement should not be subtle. This 1 person actually said initially they did not hear them multiple times and only recently changed their answer. I think that is a big issue that needs clarification.They charged the one officer because he fired blindly into the apartment.
If you look at the photo below, you can see the patio door. The apartment was first floor. The charged cop fired 10 shots through the patio door when he heard Walkers shot.
The other two officers had entered the apartment and returned fire while inside.
It seems pretty straightforward from either side.
Cops. They knocked, announced, waited, then battered the door down. Two cops enter and one is outside guarding the patio exit. A shot goes off and all three return fire.
Walker and Taylor: They are in bed. They here a loud banging. Walker grabs his gun. He suspects intruders. The door is knocked open. He fires a round in self defense. They are met with 32 rounds returned. Taylor is hit 5 times, 1 is fatal.
Tragic.
Let’s assume that that the police did not knock and announce. The warrant allows them to enter without knocking. the police were lawfully inside the apartment. The boyfriend fired thinking it’s an intruder, which I have doubts. The BF then had the legal right to fire because he reasonably believed that they were intruders. Also, the police now encountered deadly force and they are entitled to return fire. in terms of criminal liability, it is a non-issue.
Now your question may be relevant in civil liability on whether the police were negligent in some way.
Yes you are right negligence but falsifying a police report and lying in court would be criminal offenses. I am very curious to see the results of the FBI investigation in the coming months.
They have one person saying the knocked and announced. If other people did not hear it because of a variety of reasons, how far they were, was the TV on, were they sleeping. So many factors could be the reason that other residents did not hear the police announce. Whether it’s true or not, it almost unprovable unless there is video.
Looking at the layout of that building in the photo from my previous post it appears there are two downstairs apartments in two upstairs apartments.
The entrance is to the apartments face each other in the breezeway. I would think the person in the other downstairs apartment would be the most likely person to have heard something. That provides a plausible explanation why only one person heard
I think it's reasonable that people in the upstairs apartment did not hear it.
if the other people are questioned or in a different set of four apartments it would also seem reasonable that they didn't hear it.
we also don't know if they're saying that they didn't hear it or that they're just not cooperating as in I know nothing I see nothing I hear nothing.
The entrance is to the apartments face each other in the breezeway. I would think the person in the other downstairs apartment would be the most likely person to have heard something. That provides a plausible explanation why only one person heard
I think it's reasonable that people in the upstairs apartment did not hear it.
if the other people are questioned or in a different set of four apartments it would also seem reasonable that they didn't hear it.
we also don't know if they're saying that they didn't hear it or that they're just not cooperating as in I know nothing I see nothing I hear nothing.
The city agreed to $12M
I would assume if they accept that, they will waive any rights to future litigation.
