Sha bragged about him being a hard-working gym rat and didn't he play at St. Pat's? If hes bolting we are in trouble.
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I don’t think we have any money. You’d think the desperation would be high and we’d be going hard after top prospects. Not a peep. Only losing our good players.
Leads me to believe we truly have pennies in NIL, nowhere near the money reported here
I don't think this is much of a loss. He was a fringe starter on the worst team in the conference. He can be replaced, like pretty much everyone on last year's roster.
I’m losing interest after 50 plus years, couple more years more will follow. Still hoping Sha pulls a rabbit out of his hat but does any one find this fun to follow.
This is what I have been saying for weeks/months.
Unrelated to Middleton by the way who at the right price is a nice bench player to have on your team. He looked the part of 8th or 9th guy on the roster that can sometimes give you solid minutes. Probably worth about $250k these days to us...but if you have 7-8M in NIL you can afford to pay him 350-500 so we lose.
No it’s not. The fans who keep showing up, paying for it, and keeping this train going are the real joke
Not in the least. They’ve made a mockery out of this game.
And if we start winning you all will be back in those seats
I get the feeling our coach is committed to a system that constantly rotates 10-11 players per game. Personally, I’m not a fan of it, but I guess it worked once at St. Peter’s. On top of that, with NIL, the money can only be spread so far, which means our top-end players might not be the best
Reading numerous posts about our basketball program ( and posting some myself ) other than a few scattered positive comments about our new practice and development facility there is little to boast about . When you add the lack of success in attracting talent , plus a luke warm administration in recognizing the benefits a successful program can bring it’s understandable why there is such pessimism about the program and that’s not even counting our woeful record on the court.
It’s past time for someone to step up and lead the way and with full transparency start us back on the road to success.
It’s past time for someone to step up and lead the way and with full transparency start us back on the road to success.
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I have my doubts about Shaheen developing a roster even with having money, but this view that the sky is falling because someone who averaged 5 and 2 in his sophomore year is crazy.. it would be nice to keep Middleton another year and have another offseason to develop but let’s not act like this going to be tough to replace..
Still say you spend big money on a pg and a top pf/c…. I’d even say a pg and a sg…
Still say you spend big money on a pg and a top pf/c…. I’d even say a pg and a sg…
Exactly! The kid had a nice shot but....
He played 21 minutes a game this year and averaged 2.3 rebounds, .8 assists, .5 blocks, .9 steals, 1.1 turnovers and 5.8 points a game. Hardly filled up the stat sheet for a guy with his shot.
His stats were very similar to his first year at Ohio State. His shooting percentage went up (43%) and his 3 pt percentage (38.4%) went down. Slight improvement overall from his freshman to his sophomore year. He is a 63% FT shooter with long arms and only weighs 180 lbs. While I would have liked to keep him and develop him for the future, he would not start on a good BE team. His basketball IQ was lacking. He did not have a good nose for the ball. He did play hard on defense but other than his long arms, he didn't move his feet very well. He may have been a 4 star coming out of HS but he has not demonstrated that he deserved that ranking. I liked the kid and he cheered hard for his team. Sorry to see him go but this is OK. He was not going to make the difference for us next year. I wish him all the best.
Scotty Middleton Career Stats - NCAAM - ESPN
Complete career NCAAM stats for the Seton Hall Pirates Forward Scotty Middleton on ESPN. Includes points, rebounds, and assists.
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When you're 2-18 with losses to Fordham, Monmouth and Hofstra you shouldn't lose sleep about losing anyone on this roster. Period.
Good because there could be more to go……
And we couldn’t afford him…. So belittle him all you want but somebody worse is probably replacing him. So enjoyExactly! The kid had a nice shot but....
He played 21 minutes a game this year and averaged 2.3 rebounds, .8 assists, .5 blocks, .9 steals, 1.1 turnovers and 5.8 points a game. Hardly filled up the stat sheet for a guy with his shot.
His stats were very similar to his first year at Ohio State. His shooting percentage went up (43%) and his 3 pt percentage (38.4%) went down. Slight improvement overall from his freshman to his sophomore year. He is a 63% FT shooter with long arms and only weighs 180 lbs. While I would have liked to keep him and develop him for the future, he would not start on a good BE team. His basketball IQ was lacking. He did not have a good nose for the ball. He did play hard on defense but other than his long arms, he didn't move his feet very well. He may have been a 4 star coming out of HS but he has not demonstrated that he deserved that ranking. I liked the kid and he cheered hard for his team. Sorry to see him go but this is OK. He was not going to make the difference for us next year. I wish him all the best.
Scotty Middleton Career Stats - NCAAM - ESPN
Complete career NCAAM stats for the Seton Hall Pirates Forward Scotty Middleton on ESPN. Includes points, rebounds, and assists.www.espn.com
And who’s coming in? Crickets
At this point it seems like players would rather go to a successful mid major to look good than a bottom feeder power 5.
Don't care one iota. Worst Seton Hall team I've ever seen, including the Blaney, Gonzo & early Willard years.
Middleton was the 6th man on the worst power conference team in the country. A guy like that isn’t worth much more than a scholarship. I like his upside, and would have taken him back on a prove it contract, but if he wants more best of luck to him.
Hey wait a minute … yes they were stiffs … but they were our stiffs! Bye bye. This year made me appreciate the good years that much more .
Strengths/minutes were totally underused by the coach. 5 shots a game, what a joke.
Had hope for Middleton, but he appears to be a very overrated player with the ranking coming out of HS.
Shaheen hopefully can redeem himself this off season. If he doesn’t, we are going to need a change.
Shaheen hopefully can redeem himself this off season. If he doesn’t, we are going to need a change.
Everyone will know we need a change if next year is similar, but we're in no position to make a change. The people who will be making the change are exactly the people nobody here wants making those decisions.
If what you guys say is true that the whole team was bad (which it was given the results) then what does this say about the coach and his assistants who recruited and brought all of these players here from Scotty, to Gus etc..
Was it really the kids who were bad? Or how they were coached and actually used or not used maybe? I'm thinking these players were not all as bad as the results showed. Just not used properly in a system that was NOT a match for their playing skills, talents etc..
And of course injuries were a big factor too.
Was it really the kids who were bad? Or how they were coached and actually used or not used maybe? I'm thinking these players were not all as bad as the results showed. Just not used properly in a system that was NOT a match for their playing skills, talents etc..
And of course injuries were a big factor too.
We shall see when he lands and how he performs just how good he is. I don't think he had enough playing time here to judge. Miss used.
Where are you getting "we can't afford him" from? You criticize the coach for bringing these guys in, we go 2-19, then you're griping when they leave.
Will any of these new players really move the needle from what we had last year?
we need the needle to move so dramatically to be good. But I get th feeling that the PG will be a positive.
A huge positive. I'm not saying Budd Clark is a first-team All-America, but isn't just an upgrade at the point guard position; he is something we literally did not have at all this year. We had no point guard. We just had a series of guys who brought the ball up the court. We have been missing that for a long time. The kid who went to play at St. John's was a very good player and with some point-guard traits, but Clark is a classic PG. He fills such a tremendous need here.
We had a HM guy who would pair nicely with Clark. Either we didn’t want to pay him or he didn’t want to be here. Yes, Coleman.
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The Book says “don’t bet on it”. 🤪 After 60+ years of watching/supporting college b-ball, I have no interest whether we win or lose. It’s now all about “show me the money”. Not gonna happen anymore. 😰
YES. STOP ALLL OPTIMISM please.
