Of course it's political. There is justice and equality in America and has been for a long time now.
NCAA to allow social justice messaging
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Of course it's political. There is justice and equality in America and has been for a long time now.
Shouldn't that forum be called "Everyone Who Doesn't Agree 100% With Us Is A Racist, Just Ask Us" forum?
I've had a nice American experience, good and bad. Unlike your bubble where you rant and rave about supposed injustices and everything else that you think is wrong with the world.
Some people complain about injustice...some actually do something about it....tweeting doesn’t count.
Can you list your top 10 typical injustices, please. I saw a clip of a young black woman pulled over by a trooper for doing 70 in a 55 mph zone. He had a body cam and could not have been more polite. Afterwards, she went on a lengthy rant about how blacks face this treatment every day. It was ridiculous. I've been pulled over and treated worse. If this is what blacks are complaining about, I have absolutely no sympathy. So let's see your list. Make it good.
While I agree that BLM does play a role as politics as equality for all can only be created through support from the government it is still very much a human rights issue. The Big East has already stated they will be allowing BLM patches so it should certainly be expected that SHU players will be participating. I don't think its a wrong for them to express themselves because they are human beings before they are student athletes. They have minds of their own and I am sure Willard wants players who are intelligent and can think for themselves.
How do you think civil rights acts in the 60's were passed? They didn't ask politely or protest in ways that were acceptable to white people. If people of color didn't find ways to get their ideas out through marches, sit ins, and various other ways that disrupted American life, civil rights legislation would have never been passed.
What I am trying to understand from those who oppose the movement, what specifically do you not agree with? Is it the principles, the way they go about the message, etc. Instead of focusing on negativity why don't we discuss solutions. Part of being a Seton Hall Pirate is about servant leadership. What are some things you are doing in your community or would like to see others do to ensure people of color are given the same opportunities to strive and are also not mistreated by the police?
How do you think civil rights acts in the 60's were passed? They didn't ask politely or protest in ways that were acceptable to white people. If people of color didn't find ways to get their ideas out through marches, sit ins, and various other ways that disrupted American life, civil rights legislation would have never been passed.
What I am trying to understand from those who oppose the movement, what specifically do you not agree with? Is it the principles, the way they go about the message, etc. Instead of focusing on negativity why don't we discuss solutions. Part of being a Seton Hall Pirate is about servant leadership. What are some things you are doing in your community or would like to see others do to ensure people of color are given the same opportunities to strive and are also not mistreated by the police?
I’d actually like to understand the objectives of BLM. Equal justice? Who’s not for that? No police brutality? Check. The message IMO is all over the place and the organization BLM is a joke.
I don’t believe in using labels based on skin color, because it’s superficial and divisive. Most important thing we can all do is focus on education of our youth in our respective communities. I work/live in a community where inner city schools have historic poor graduation rate and are now going to face more funding problems. Cultural and economic challenges (25-40% Hispanic), but turning your back only leaves more kids with little opportunity as adults. Relatively small African-American population and there is zero interest in BLM (even the black community). Working on a public/charter school collaboration now all aimed at higher graduation rates and youth that have more options for careers. Get in the trenches....or you can tweet and virtue signal.
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Doubt you'll get a response to a great post
Why is the poster ok with being treated poorly by the police. This person just wrote they have been treated worse. No one deserves to be treated with anything less than a respectful manner by the police no matter what your background.
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His point was the police were professional and treated the person perfectly, yet the person claimed racism/unfair treatment.
I understand in the instance the poster was talking about the police were courteous but the problem I have is they acknowledged they were treated poorly by the police in another instance and that’s not ok. Some posters have written that these instances are rare but just because the instances are not reported regularly does not mean that they don’t happen more often then we think. Any instance where an officer is not being a professional there should be consequences.
Social justice is not just a race element, there is a gender element, sexual orientation element.
Let me ask you this...freddie gray, eric garner, george floyd do they die if they are white? Does trayvon martin die if he is white?
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6
Hall85 pro athletes are doing more than just tweets, slogans on uniforms and warm up jerseys you just choose to not aknowledge any of it.
More white unarmed men have been killed by police, so the answer is that it goes both ways.
On all honesty, if you were really curious you could google it and come up with a better example than a person complaining about being pulled over.
Go watch some ted talks on implicit bias and systemic racism. You don’t have to agree with everything they say, but you can at least understand what they are saying.
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Funny thing is he asked for the injustices you want to fight and neither you, NyShore or Bobbie Psycho can answer with anything of substance. Not surprising though when the fake ass politicians have nothing either
I can, but bluntly there are some people here who want to engage in actual discussions and I would be happy to have that discussion.
There are some posters which are not really going to listen, so not really worth the effort.
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Belluno asked you an easy question and this was your response? Its no wonder nobody here or professionally takes you seriously.
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He never answers a question with an original thought. Link, tweet, rinse, repeat....
This doesn’t boil down to a nice top 10 list. It is a multigenerational issue which is a part of our country’s history and we haven’t adequately addressed.
For example... Redline laws structured us into segregating our communities and prevented black families from building wealth and equity. White people have been more likely to be able to use that equity for things like college and were in a position to pass down wealth.
That results in lower upward mobility for black families and they are more likely to live in poor areas with higher crime.
Living in higher crime areas presents people with the implicit bias and leads to over policing. Drug crimes for example. Black people are not more likely to sell or use drugs than white people, but blacks people are arrested more often for drug related crimes. They are less likely to have the penalty reduced from a felony to misdemeanor which makes it more difficult to get a job, and they face harsher sentencing for the same crime.
Etc. etc. etc... again this is a long and complicated discussion which would require research into our history, reading studies about implicit and familiarity bias. Reading about the psychology on the impact of growing up as a minority where implicit and familiarity bias exist.
This is an area where my belief has changed as an adult. When I was younger, I didn’t think any of it was real. If you want to know more. Do the work and read about it.
Amen I used to laugh this off as a kid growing up in Manalapan.
Once I got out of my bubble and into the real world i smacked me in the face, inequality is real.
I've had the opposite experience. Grew up in suburbia and was told we need to have compassion for those who are less fortunate, unemployed, etc.
My real world experience has been that most people work hard and appreciate what they have. Then there are others who always find something to complain about, are lazy, looking for a handout and/or work the system for their own benefit. Any combination of those traits.
I'm all for helping people who are truly put in poor circumstances through no fault of their own. But for those who aren't? I have zero sympathy.
If you got out of your bubble you would realize there is a lot of inequality, not just limited to the black community. Hispanic space very different challenges some which are greater than the black community. Talk to someone from the Syrian Christian community one day. Limiting social justice to one category that is based solely on skin color strikes me as pretty narrow and a bit divisive.
You completely lost me here. My post was not discussing race, it was saying there is inequality and because of where I grew up it took me almost 20 years to see it and believe it with my own eyes. Whether you are black white spanish Chinese afghani there is inequality, inequality seems not to profile it can strike anyone at almost anytime.
I mean shit I’m just a kid from Amarillo Texas whose mom and dad were over the road truckers and drug addicts. Most of the kids who grew up where I was born don’t graduate high school and are dirt poor, many of them never had a shot. The large majority of them are white so again inequality can happen to anyone.
Many would have written me off just from being from there. But I grabbed my bootstraps put myself through college (which I just finished paying off) worked my ass off started my own business and here I am.
just because I was lucky enough and got some breaks along the way doesn’t mean everyone has those opportunities, and that my friends is why this hits me hard.
Maybe I’m wrong maybe I’m looking at this the wrong way, or it’s just different from y’all views. But I see people hurting right now, people I love, people I respect. And I’ll be dammed if I won’t be standing next to them through this all.
at the end of the day I honestly think many of us agree. It’s just this shitty climate right now that’s hypersensitive and this is why we have insane threads like this.
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I work as an ER physician in NJ so healthcare is something that I am very passionate about and in general our healthcare workforce needs to a do a better job of including members that reflect the diversity of the United States. In my spare time I serve as a mentor for students of color who are interested in medicine. I give them tips on how to improve their grades/test scores, create opportunities for them to work in the hospital, read graduate school applications etc. In the coming months I will also be supervising students at a student run-free health clinic and help many patients(with a majority being people of color) who have poor health literacy or lack of insurance. Additionally I return to my alma mater Seton Hall on a yearly basis to speak to their pre-meds as well as donate to multiple scholarships.
Excellent examples of giving back and I applaud you for that in addition to the great work you are doing as an ER doc. It’s what I said earlier about digging in. Tweets, virtue signaling are weak. If you truly care, dig in. I’m sure you do it not for accolades, but because it’s the right thing to do. Keep up the good work.
Sorry if I misinterpreted your intent and looks like we agree that inequality stretches across all races, genders and even religions. Also congratulations on overcoming the challenges you have and creating a successful career.
It is a shitty climate and IMO, social media and the MSM have amplified divisiveness and discord. Quite frankly I tune out all the extreme language (ie outrage, bombshell, etc.). Vast majority of people were horrified to see the Floyd video, and vast majority also horrified by the riots. Why don’t we start there instead of letting those that are using both to advance an agenda. We can all work to fix some of these wrongs, but if people are going to yell at each other, I’m not standing with them or anywhere near them.
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and now we are in agreement. If only the rest of the world can have a civil discussion then we are on to something !!
It's not a matter of being OK with it, but I can handle it; most of us can. It is recognition that none of us is perfect and sometimes we act in a less than perfect way. We can't go crying the blues over every little affront, real or imagined and I suspect there are lots of imagined wrongs making headlines in today's world.
The social justice warriors have danced around my question, so I will note that in 2020 America, a country some say is systemically racist, a country that some claim was never great, we have had a black President, black senators and congressmen, black mayors, black admirals and generals, black cabinet members, black chiefs of police, black millionaire actors and sports figures, and black governors. I'd say that's pretty good for a racist country. But for those who would destroy our form of government, the economic system that did make us great, and our history none of this counts.
Bro, sorry you are completely lost. You’re using logic in an upside down world. That’s not going to work.
I just watched the first splashdown in 45 years and I should add black astronauts to my list.
I just read the headline in my local paper. RACIST The story was a black student at a local junior college several years ago saying his white classmate leaned towards him and asked "do you want to hear a joke?" Yes, says the black. "Black lives matter." says the white. RACISM charges the black and it makes the front page. Funny thing is on the inside page the black student is shown with his white wife, a testimony to how things have changed but one that is lost on this guy. When I was at SHU, I was called the blue eyed WOP. Wrong on two counts. My eyes are green and my grandparents had papers. It was not a big deal for me then and it isn't now. Young men will carry on. Save this stuff for the serious problems, please
False emytology from the 1900s...could it also be work on pavement?
Keep on keeping on.
It originates from soutnern italians dialects where they would swallow the final vowel in pronunciation, thus anglo or americanized a WOP and dumbass insensitive idiots from the 1900s gave it with out papers
