New Seton Hall Commit! Averaged a ROBUST 2 ppg and 1 rpg
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He's tall enough to be a PF. Can't shoot FTs and doesn't seem to rebound much. Hard to get excited unfortunately but maybe Sha can coach him up? 
Visted Kansas so maybe the see something that this message board doesn't see?
Doing the best he can with the limited resources he has at his disposal.
trying to have a gun fight while given a knife
um...looks like he's already played 4 years, so....did he get a red shirt? 5th year "challenge" player?
Or did I just miss something...?
He can get his 5th covid year, since he played 20-21 at Robert Morris, then went to Juco for 21-22 season, before returning to D1 at WVU for 22-23.
His first year was 2020-21 which was the Covid year that didn’t count against eligibility.
He did not play in the 2021-22 season.
Perfect fit for Sha’s system!He's tall enough to be a PF. Can't shoot FTs and doesn't seem to rebound much. Hard to get excited unfortunately but maybe Sha can coach him up?
This is the Sha Playbook though, isn’t it? Find a bunch of guys below the attention line so you don’t get egos or expensive types, then get more out of them by being hard on them and “coaching them up”. Create value through numbers. Get a bunch of “dawg” types? It worked with Davis and Bediako, didn’t work with anyone last year.
He’s going into his 4th season as HC at The Hall. If you look at the transfers he’s taken, they’re all basically that except for Dawes, a legit 10+ PPG scorer from P6 he had a personal relationship with. It’s gotten a little worse because of the money where you go from Odukale and Ndefo to Harmon and Toumi, but you get the point.
He’s going into his 4th season as HC at The Hall. If you look at the transfers he’s taken, they’re all basically that except for Dawes, a legit 10+ PPG scorer from P6 he had a personal relationship with. It’s gotten a little worse because of the money where you go from Odukale and Ndefo to Harmon and Toumi, but you get the point.
Do you honestly think Sha wants low calibre players on his Team? Do you think he wants to fail and risk destroying his coaching career by not spending money on quality players? Can you glean any advantage to NOT spending money at his disposal?
He’s ranked the no. 978 transfer.
Well, not a lot to like here. Anyone can look at his production and see he's not going to be a savior for our frontcourt problems. The one positive is he has 87 games of B12 experience. He has good overall strength and holds his own on the defensive end against 5s. Offensively, he's similar to our 2 other bigs. Virtually no post moves, but has decent agility to get points around the rim on putbacks and pick and rolls.
The only ray of hope in Suemnick's past is he had a 7-game stretch at West Virginia in 23-24 in which he started 6 games and played 21+ minutes in each game. During this stretch he averaged 9.7 points & 5.3 rebounds in 28.1 minutes per game against good B12 opponents. His best games were in a Win vs Kansas where he had 20 pts & 6 rebs and 16 & 6 in a Win over Texas. I watched a good part of the Kansas game and he played Hunter Dickinson straight up nearly the whole game. Dickinson had 19 & 5 but Suemnick more than held his own banging against the 7 foot 1, 255 pound All-American. I definitely don't think he'll be a big scorer, but I was encouraged with his ability to hold his own in 35 minutes against the best Big in college basketball.
We now have 3 Bigs on the roster, none of whom profile as a BE starter but can they combine to get us enough quality minutes to get by? Possibly. Suemnick gives us a strong body with B12 experience. Payne gives us a rim-runner with good agility and speed. Godswill gained valuable experience and showed some glimpses that he could find ways to positively contribute. If we can get 10-18 minutes out of each of them that may be the way we go.
The only ray of hope in Suemnick's past is he had a 7-game stretch at West Virginia in 23-24 in which he started 6 games and played 21+ minutes in each game. During this stretch he averaged 9.7 points & 5.3 rebounds in 28.1 minutes per game against good B12 opponents. His best games were in a Win vs Kansas where he had 20 pts & 6 rebs and 16 & 6 in a Win over Texas. I watched a good part of the Kansas game and he played Hunter Dickinson straight up nearly the whole game. Dickinson had 19 & 5 but Suemnick more than held his own banging against the 7 foot 1, 255 pound All-American. I definitely don't think he'll be a big scorer, but I was encouraged with his ability to hold his own in 35 minutes against the best Big in college basketball.
We now have 3 Bigs on the roster, none of whom profile as a BE starter but can they combine to get us enough quality minutes to get by? Possibly. Suemnick gives us a strong body with B12 experience. Payne gives us a rim-runner with good agility and speed. Godswill gained valuable experience and showed some glimpses that he could find ways to positively contribute. If we can get 10-18 minutes out of each of them that may be the way we go.
Kansas had him in for a visit so he must have something good about him no?
I think the "dawg" thing gets overrated. Plenty of really talented players are hard-nosed competitors who give 1000% all the time. Likewise, plenty of kids with "egos" play their tails off and are easy to coach. Most every D-I prospect has an ego because they've been the best player pre-college almost everywhere they've been. Plenty of successful coaches have had no trouble getting talented kids to play hard, team-first basketball.
Dre Davis was a 4-star recruit, top 100-150 type coming out of prep, who committed to Louisville. Sure, he competed hard and played the undersized 4 well for us on a team where we had a hybrid PG who rebounded like a forward and whose game was living in the paint, which help offset some of the size issues. I don't think he fit a particular "mold" per se of some underrecruited, undervalued type.
Bediako did fit that mold and outperformed my expectations by a lot, but that was a grad transfer senior and seems more like an outlier the staff did a good job of evaluating and then maximizing on what he does well.
I still believe in Sha's ability to coach kids up and his old school philosophy, IMO, isn't a complete deterrent because plenty of super successful coaches still do that. Look how hard Tom Izzo is on his kids? Or Pitino? Or Hurley? But I think most every coach in the Big East and other high majors has the ability to "coach up players", so to me the "fool's gold" is thinking Sha is the only one who can do this or even that he can do this better than many other coaches who have been more successful than him (not saying you are implying this, nor do I think Sha is that naive).
Jury is out on this coming season. I'm not going to be overly negative from the jump, and like usual will wait until we get into the Big East schedule a decent amount to form my opinions.
nothing about his profile makes any sense. nothing special physically, awful numbers at every stop...and yet he manages to transfer to west virginia after being awful at robert morris? then has 2 good games in 2 years, with the rest being awful, and gets another shot at a high major at ok st? and he's awful there and gets interest from KANSAS? what the hell is going on
PLease tell me this roster didnt cost 6M. If these giys cost 6M, we are gonne need 15M next year
Sight unseen, it’s not a downgrade.Does soothe the loss of Toumi
Probably needed close to 15 this year.
The biggest statement is how little response the signing gets here. Just a few short years ago and the thread chain would be multiple pages. Lots of discussion and back and forth. Now it is just a yawn. Lots of indifference and flat out apathy in Setonia hoops land. A bad place to be. Resignation seems to be the defacto response among Pirate faithful. Leadership should see this as a signal of future support and attendance.
Wait until you see the next commit......
Yes, total lack of excitement. Well I think it is a combo of several things: the current state of the program, the fact that all of the current signings are transfers, pretty clear most of new players will not be here next season and the fact that several years ago we would have around 3 new player signings and they would be throughout the year, we are now adding 10+ players in several months after the season ends.
