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New Seton Hall Commit! Averaged a ROBUST 2 ppg and 1 rpg

I think the "dawg" thing gets overrated. Plenty of really talented players are hard-nosed competitors who give 1000% all the time. Likewise, plenty of kids with "egos" play their tails off and are easy to coach. Most every D-I prospect has an ego because they've been the best player pre-college almost everywhere they've been. Plenty of successful coaches have had no trouble getting talented kids to play hard, team-first basketball.

Dre Davis was a 4-star recruit, top 100-150 type coming out of prep, who committed to Louisville. Sure, he competed hard and played the undersized 4 well for us on a team where we had a hybrid PG who rebounded like a forward and whose game was living in the paint, which help offset some of the size issues. I don't think he fit a particular "mold" per se of some underrecruited, undervalued type.

Bediako did fit that mold and outperformed my expectations by a lot, but that was a grad transfer senior and seems more like an outlier the staff did a good job of evaluating and then maximizing on what he does well.

I still believe in Sha's ability to coach kids up and his old school philosophy, IMO, isn't a complete deterrent because plenty of super successful coaches still do that. Look how hard Tom Izzo is on his kids? Or Pitino? Or Hurley? But I think most every coach in the Big East and other high majors has the ability to "coach up players", so to me the "fool's gold" is thinking Sha is the only one who can do this or even that he can do this better than many other coaches who have been more successful than him (not saying you are implying this, nor do I think Sha is that naive).

Jury is out on this coming season. I'm not going to be overly negative from the jump, and like usual will wait until we get into the Big East schedule a decent amount to form my opinions.
Sha has a type for sure. Was he so frustrated that he wanted to clean house and start from scratch or is this all simply money driven? I think the former. Did he find better players with more money but in an inflationary environment? Are the players a better mix than last year in terms of mindset and roster balance? We’ll see. I hope. I’m surely not rooting from him to fail.

He took a lot of young players who were once highly touted last year and they mostly all failed. Plus the roster composition was a total mess with what happened at PG and PF. The team wasn’t good, but it also underperformed a bit. I mean we’re talking maybe 13-19 versus 7-25 so what’s the big deal, but still between the slew of injuries and whiffs it went from bad to worse.
 
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Sha has a type for sure. Was he so frustrated that he wanted to clean house and start from scratch or is this all simply money driven? I think the former. Did he find better players with more money but in an inflationary environment? Are the players a better mix than last year in terms of mindset and roster balance? We’ll see. I hope. I’m surely not rooting from him to fail.

He took a lot of young players who were once highly touted last year and they mostly all failed. Plus the roster composition was a total mess with what happened at PG and PF. The team wasn’t good, but it also underperformed a bit. I mean we’re talking maybe 13-19 versus 7-25 so what’s the big deal, but still between the slew of injuries and whiffs it went from bad to worse.
We were a bad team. Our best transfer did miss most of the BE and the guy slated for PG played a few more minutes than me. Maybe 3-5 more wins?

I am living in the real world and understand what to expect this season. And yet, I cant wait for the season to start.
 
nothing about his profile makes any sense. nothing special physically, awful numbers at every stop...and yet he manages to transfer to west virginia after being awful at robert morris? then has 2 good games in 2 years, with the rest being awful, and gets another shot at a high major at ok st? and he's awful there and gets interest from KANSAS? what the hell is going on
Because anyone 6’8” or taller is in limited supply and they cost a lot of money. In our current situation, this is what we can afford. We needed size, so we got size.
 
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We can’t compete in BE so the fans that want us to stay in the league will soon get any seat they want
 
The biggest statement is how little response the signing gets here. Just a few short years ago and the thread chain would be multiple pages. Lots of discussion and back and forth. Now it is just a yawn. Lots of indifference and flat out apathy in Setonia hoops land. A bad place to be. Resignation seems to be the defacto response among Pirate faithful. Leadership should see this as a signal of future support and attendance.
A big/huge problem is that the Signees are not promoted by the Program. If not for Jerry Carino, we would receive little to no information. Not way to create enthusiasm or establish any excitement. It is and has been about Sha -- I do not (or at least I do not want to) pay for tickets and contribute to watch Sha coach or to listen to his excuses.
 
Yes, total lack of excitement. Well I think it is a combo of several things: the current state of the program, the fact that all of the current signings are transfers, pretty clear most of new players will not be here next season and the fact that several years ago we would have around 3 new player signings and they would be throughout the year, we are now adding 10+ players in several months after the season ends.
Well said.
 
Do you honestly think Sha wants low calibre players on his Team? Do you think he wants to fail and risk destroying his coaching career by not spending money on quality players? Can you glean any advantage to NOT spending money at his disposal?
Batts, congrats , spot on , Thank you for being for being practical and pragmatic. Face it, Sha wants to win more than us, just wish these pseudo conspiracy theories would die here: Oh, he doesn't want to spend, he's egotistical and doesn't see player's value, all bull sht... if you don't have the dough to buy , and that's what we're doing, buying thirteen guys, this is what you get. Gotta see how it plays out, If no dough ,well good luck, nobody will make us a winner in this paradigm. Just wish also the comparisons to Kevin would disappear, different world and KW went where the light was shining.... $$$$ to buy a good product. Hollaway and many other were a rung down ad are now given a difficult task.
I won't stop supporting and rooting.
 
A big/huge problem is that the Signees are not promoted by the Program. If not for Jerry Carino, we would receive little to no information. Not way to create enthusiasm or establish any excitement. It is and has been about Sha -- I do not (or at least I do not want to) pay for tickets and contribute to watch Sha coach or to listen to his excuses.
Well stated LBP43. It has always been about the rooting for the names on the front of the jersey, and then watching the talent progress (whether preferably over multi years, or in today's world at least over the pre-season through the post-season).

Watching the coaching antics was always secondary.
 
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He is a JUCO who committed to Memphis last December. But Penny has added multiple better players so he was released from his commitment.

He's a 6’4″ shooting guard from Eastern Florida State College who averaged 47.6% from 3 last year. But he played enough to attempt 145 from 3. Was second team all-conference. I get a Jamel Jenkins vibe from him. But I'm intrigued by anybody who shoots that well from 3.
 
I hope sha proves us all wrong but what does he see in these guys?

These aren’t the guys he wants. It’s pretty obvious Shaheen is the easiest coach to recruit against- no post season success here, no improvements for any players last year that transferred in, horrible sideline demeanor and no social media presence. No wonder why every big east coach is like, “Yeah Shaheen Holloway that guy sure can coach” they don’t want the hall to get another coach because recruiting against Shaheen is the easiest thing they have to deal with.
 
We were a bad team. Our best transfer did miss most of the BE and the guy slated for PG played a few more minutes than me. Maybe 3-5 more wins?

I am living in the real world and understand what to expect this season. And yet, I cant wait for the season to start.
wish I had that same enthusiasm 75..... after 40+ seasons, I seriously considered not renewing my tickets this year.... not because of anything that SHU OR SHA has done wrong IMO, but with this chaotic system we are now in our chances of ever getting back to contender level are slim and none. Other schools like us face similar futures ...... the charm of NCAA sports is lost forever .....

I did renew my tix... but somone PLEASE.... talk me off the ledge...

My only saving grace is that my other alma mater, as a Service Academy doesn't have to deal with NIL or its effects...AND we are projected to have a great football year coming up with most of our offensive skill guys returning..... there's a lot to be said for player development and school loyalty... BEAT ARMY.. so there's that.... I miss getting excited like this for SHU sports, hoops, especially.
 
wish I had that same enthusiasm 75..... after 40+ seasons, I seriously considered not renewing my tickets this year.... not because of anything that SHU OR SHA has done wrong IMO, but with this chaotic system we are now in our chances of ever getting back to contender level are slim and none. Other schools like us face similar futures ...... the charm of NCAA sports is lost forever .....

I did renew my tix... but somone PLEASE.... talk me off the ledge...

My only saving grace is that my other alma mater, as a Service Academy doesn't have to deal with NIL or its effects...AND we are projected to have a great football year coming up with most of our offensive skill guys returning..... there's a lot to be said for player development and school loyalty... BEAT ARMY.. so there's that.... I miss getting excited like this for SHU sports, hoops, especially.
We will have no chance of getting back if the fans don't renew their tickets
 
Sha has a type for sure. Was he so frustrated that he wanted to clean house and start from scratch or is this all simply money driven? I think the former. Did he find better players with more money but in an inflationary environment? Are the players a better mix than last year in terms of mindset and roster balance? We’ll see. I hope. I’m surely not rooting from him to fail.

He took a lot of young players who were once highly touted last year and they mostly all failed. Plus the roster composition was a total mess with what happened at PG and PF. The team wasn’t good, but it also underperformed a bit. I mean we’re talking maybe 13-19 versus 7-25 so what’s the big deal, but still between the slew of injuries and whiffs it went from bad to worse.
we've said for years, even during the willard years how important a true PG is. how it changed everyone. the one difference this year is we apparently have a true PG. can he play at this level is to be seen.

but if our past years lamenting over a PG is really true, then maybe we're overlooking next years roster. the zion move backfiring was a bigger deal than people make it out to be imo.
 
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we've said for years, even during the willard years how important a true PG is. how it changed everyone. the one difference this year is we apparently have a true PG. can he play at this level is to be seen.

but if our past years lamenting over a PG is really true, then maybe we're overlooking next years roster. the zion move backfiring was a bigger deal than people make it out to be imo.
I think a true PG does make everyone better.

No reason to think Zion would have been able to play in the Big East though.
 
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From the limited time I saw Zion on the court last year I always got the impression that it was a total waste of time & resources to have ever recruited him in the first place. Clear as day he did not belong in the Big East.
 
I think a true PG does make everyone better.

No reason to think Zion would have been able to play in the Big East though.
he didn't even play. like at all.

not sure if clark can play in the big east but i surely expect him to actually play
 
he didn't even play. like at all.

not sure if clark can play in the big east but i surely expect him to actually play
I know he didn't play. My point is there is no indication he would have been any good. I don't buy it as an excuse for last year. Dual was brought in the door to play major minutes at PG, and while he was a capable defender, the reason Providence seemingly had no issue with him leaving was reflected throughout the year by his inability to be an effective PG on the other end of the court.
 
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I think a true PG does make everyone better.

No reason to think Zion would have been able to play in the Big East though.
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Especially when you have the offensive philosophies of guys like Willard and Holloway; and Holloway is even more extreme. You need a strong creator.

Again, Dylan Addae-Wusu was the best PG on the team for most of last year. Let that sink in for a second. It’s ridiculous.

There’s a reason Sha is 22-12 with Richmond, 3-23 without him in the BE.
 
we've said for years, even during the willard years how important a true PG is. how it changed everyone. the one difference this year is we apparently have a true PG. can he play at this level is to be seen.

but if our past years lamenting over a PG is really true, then maybe we're overlooking next years roster. the zion move backfiring was a bigger deal than people make it out to be imo.
I agree re: Zion. And I agree having a true PG is important. I'll even go a step further and say having a true PG who can shoot the three ball is even more important. That's the one shortcoming of Clark that concerns me.
 
I agree re: Zion. And I agree having a true PG is important. I'll even go a step further and say having a true PG who can shoot the three ball is even more important. That's the one shortcoming of Clark that concerns me.
not too many true PGs that can shoot the 3 and we will surely never be able to afford one.
 
A big/huge problem is that the Signees are not promoted by the Program. If not for Jerry Carino, we would receive little to no information. Not way to create enthusiasm or establish any excitement. It is and has been about Sha -- I do not (or at least I do not want to) pay for tickets and contribute to watch Sha coach or to listen to his excuses.
the players all suck, realistically what would happen if they promoted these guys? they'd get shit on, which we sorta do after each signing lol

but perhaps that's the opportunity. marketing /media could put together a little primer with combine numbers and simply any reason to be optimistic. maybe a guy sucks and got no minutes but has crazy hops, or bench, or whatever . tell us that. make us believe.
 
Wait until you see the next commit

Still waiting on this...
sounds like this will be a stinker. what is the reality that shu leadership in more interested in having a guy like sha field a crap team to middle of the pack and pocket the money for themselves (or other things?)

this is what crappy pro sports franchises do like the marlins, rays, etc.
 
sounds like this will be a stinker. what is the reality that shu leadership in more interested in having a guy like sha field a crap team to middle of the pack and pocket the money for themselves (or other things?)

this is what crappy pro sports franchises do like the marlins, rays, etc.
Nit picking here but in what world are the rays a crappy pro sports franchise?
 
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