they are crappy to their fans i guess. they have no intention on really winning as they ship out anyone who becomes an all star. they are clearly the best moneyball team by a long shot right now. my point was more so how teams run more profit at the detriment of business. as long as shu doesn't get kicked out that's a sweet rev share deal. like the kid that does nothing for the group project
New Seton Hall Commit! Averaged a ROBUST 2 ppg and 1 rpg
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Well a point guard with 4 guys who have little offensive talent is about as bad as having 4 guy who can score the ball but no point guard to get it to them when they need it.
This season's roster will not be as talented and not able to put up points needed to win. I don't think the "D" will be any good either.
Although I find the recruiting puzzling from a position by position standpoint, its hard to tell what the offensive output will be. There may be a couple of players that can score in that backcourt. The new PG may create a more fluid offense and that's a positive. No idea about the team defense and how the frontcourt will produce points??
It's hard enough to have a fluid offense when you have 5 guys who never ever played together and they are offensively challenged on top of that. That is what hurt last year's team and there was more talent on paper. I think team defense is in the same boat. Same issues. If you have played together it is much easier to have decent team "D" knowing how the other guys play.
I agree with your points about chemistry. Rebuilding a roster year after year with no consistency leads to pervasive issues on and off the court.
Do you think that having more talent on paper is an important one? I agree that I was higher on the roster last year at this time, but that confidence was quickly lost before Thanksgiving. For that reason I try to not be overly negative until I see the parts working as a whole.
I hear what you are saying but probably a tad too negative, I think we certainly have a shot at equaling last years record. Shouldn’t be tough if we simply take better care of business in non con.
I do agree though, we probably wont be competitive enough to even sniff a chance at the ncaa tourney unless we get an impact PF and a multiple players step up and take big leaps.
The roster has a better offensive PG and I think our center rotation will be better overall with a sophomore Godswill and consistent and experience Payne (yes at lower level). I think we will be worse overall at 2,3,4 though unless someone surprises. IC is better than every player on the roster. IMHO, our season was doomed when we let him walk.
My guess with this current roster is around 11 total wins, 3 or 4 in conf. Technically an improvement with better roster design but still close to basement and still dismal.
I’m going to give Sha this season and early part of next offseason (to see who he keeps and gets) before I’m calling for a change at HC.
Yup. I saw some of the comments about them being a shitty franchise. I assume that meant certain aspects of the ownership, whether it be the stadium issues, lack of fan engagement/attendance or stuff like that. Their baseball operations is one of the best IMO and has been for a while. If you want to fault the ownership for not spending out of their own business money and based more or solely on "baseball generated revenue", well I don't know enough about the economics of the situation to have a strong opinion. Scouting, player evaluation and player development though has a long track record of being very good.
I hope we have a better offensive PG. Stuff I read on Clark has been good, but I didn't know that name from a hole in the wall before he popped here, and I follow college basketball pretty closely. The level of competition jump at his size will be a significant one. I was as critical as anyone on Dual's performance on the offensive-end of the court, but as I posted in another thread, I could easily have seen Dual have a similar stat line as Clark at Merrimack last year. So open question IMO though I'm optimistic based on what others here have posted about Clark.
The Rays don’t lose control of a guy after one season. It’s not a great comparison.
Nil in baseball would be the Rays identifying Junior Caminero, and as soon as he comes up the Yankees offer him a massive control and he goes to the Yankees.
Seton Hall could be elite in scouting and player development and it would not matter since any team can take their player.
Yes I think having more talent on paper is important just as having less talent on paper is a big concern! When you have a bunch of 4 star kids on the roster there is reason for optimism. Basketball pedigree helps. As opposed to 2 star and 3 star and no star kids who underwhelmed at their previous stops.
We built good teams with 3 star rated kids or less but they were here for 4 years and worked with the coach and the system to develop rapport with teammates. Refine their skills. That is not happening in today's environment. So I am not convinced things will be better this upcoming season. More likely worse.
Not if they have a contract. This is exactly my point. Instead of chasing everyone else we need to think outside of the box. Sort of how the Rays remain competitive.
the rays ship their best guys out first chance they get. they don't want to spend the money on the isaiah coleman's of the world.
what have they won? yes their scouting is great, it keeps them wildly competitive on low budget.. hence my comparison. they refuse to buy the winning pieces to put them over the top
The longer it lingers, have to question if it still happens. In any event, not a game-changer by any means. Since Trilly said it more than a week ago and theres nothing else to discuss, the guy is Kiree Huie from Miami.
Suffered a serious hand injury last year in the preseason. Had thumb surgery in October and didn't play his first game until mid-January. His season was pretty much a wash as Larannga had quit by then and the team was terrible.
Looking back at his prior season, he was an average starting big (11.3 points, 5.8 rebounds, 1.2 blocks, 53.6 fg%, 59% ft%) on a losing Big Sky team. Looking at his profile he's a bit different than our other 3 bigs.
He's probably got the best post game of the bunch which doesn't say much. His post moves were limited to mostly a basic left-handed baby hook over his right shoulder which was fairly efficient from 8 feet and closer. He looked solid at using his physicality to drive into his defender to create space to shoot his one-hander. The rest of his points were mostly from putbacks as he had solid offensive rebounding rates (10%). He had terrible metrics as a scorer rolling to the basic and does not take jump shots fom more than 10 feet.
Defensively, he's an average rebounder and decent shot-blocker but overall doesn't grade well as a defender. He's listed at 6'9" 228. Ironically all 4 of our candidates at the 5 are listed at 6'8-6'9" 215-230 pounds.
If we get him and he's healthy, he'd be another piece in our effort to get decent play from our platoon of bigs. All 4 have different strengths and weaknesses but none would be considered Big East starters. Have to pray that of the 4, one really overachieves, 1 is a solid reserve and 1 can play 6-10 minutes in the right matchup without hurting us. Then you have to hope they are healthy and Sha presses the right buttons and plays them in the right matchups. A lot has to go Right to have even mediocre play at the 5.
Comparing budding semi-pro franchise SH to the Rays clearly signals the end of student/athletes we once knew & rooted for. Thanks to NIL college semi-pro basketball is here to stay. RIP college student/athlete sports and many of your fans/supporters.
From what I read he is not a center. He is a power forward. Funny how we want to take undersized kids and make them what they are not. Seems to be why we fail at the game of basketball lately. Size matters in BB.
He’s terrible, graded very poorly at Idaho State. The number 1930 ranked transfer. Nothing more than a 13-15 player.
We go around and around here about the availability of the funds. Might it have been better to sign a PG( Clarke may be that player) and two other quality transfers with the money allocated to a bunch of these other players signed??
They don't spend the money because they don't have the money. Sounds familiar. The Rays offset this competitive disadvantage by investing in a great staff & front office rather than inflated salaries of over hyped players on the down side of their career. As an example, Cody Bellinger is the 4th highest paid Yankee yet he makes 2.5 times what the highest paid player on the Rays makes. Bellinger's batting .247 with an OPS of .747, just slightly above the MLB league average.
And hoping 1 of the 4 can play the PF position? Or do you think that is not in the cards?
PF is a big question mark in terms of someone who can make any sort of impact or contribution. Pretty much like most of the other positions.
There may be times when 2 of these guys are playing together due to matchups but if Sha puts 2 of these 4 on the court with any regularity our offense is going to be worse than last year.
Not only are they not good players, none of them have any ability to play away from the basket and would just clog the paint which would work against the strengths of your perimeter scorers. Clark needs room to operate, Fisher is a slasher, etc.
And who would these guys be able to defend playing the 4? Karaban, Bryce Hopkins, Jaxon McAndrew? Perimeter players with size. The old school PF position and old school Center position have morphed into 1 "Big" position and 1 Wing with some size.
