No Reason to Overpay for Isaiah

[SHUHitman]

Coleman being heavily rumored to be headed to Georgetown.

He's as good as gone. This program, objectively, is in the gutter right now. Why would he stay unless he is significantly overpaid? This team is void of talent and cohesion, and it's a big ask to expect him to risk his junior year suffering through this same situation again.

Seems a more likely outcome that we keep a few of the underclassman that show some promise and try to round out the team with a legitimate PG and some other legitimate starting players.

 

[Hall Is Life]

It will matter, because Seton Hall will have a competitive bid to keep him. Trilly's list doesn't concern me. We either pay up or not.

Trilly’s list should always concern you.

 

[Piratz]

He's as good as gone. This program, objectively, is in the gutter right now. Why would he stay unless he is significantly overpaid? This team is void of talent and cohesion, and it's a big ask to expect him to risk his junior year suffering through this same situation again.

Seems a more likely outcome that we keep a few of the underclassman that show some promise and try to round out the team with a legitimate PG and some other legitimate starting players.

I guess we'll find out about this other stuff and how impactful it will be to attracting transfers. We've got a beautiful new facility, we've had a good track record of relevancy before this year, but how damaging has this been?

 

[ivyhillparkk1963]

Let's be honest
He's a decent player on a really bad team
I'd rather have a good player on a good team under utilized who is looking for maximum PT.

 

[hallstorm]

Let's be honest
He's a decent player on a really bad team
I'd rather have a good player on a good team under utilized who is looking for maximum PT.

Yeah but he’s the one player every other coach is doubling and telling his team to not let him go off.

He’s got a target on his back.

Just look at the year Kadary is having with all that talent around him. Same with Kalkbrenner and the outside shooting for Creighton.

it’s why Samuel was good with Florida: he didn’t have to worry as much about defense, had many more offensive possessions to have more scoring chances and had more talent around him so he was never double teamed. Plus Florida was a running team and he got out in transition for some easier buckets.

Coleman on a good team will be an efficient 17-18 ppg guy

 

[ivyhillparkk1963]

Yeah but he’s the one player every other coach is doubling and telling his team to not let him go off.

He’s got a target on his back.

Just look at the year Kadary is having with all that talent around him. Same with Kalkbrenner and the outside shooting for Creighton.

it’s why Samuel was good with Florida: he didn’t have to worry as much about defense, had many more offensive possessions to have more scoring chances and had more talent around him so he was never double teamed. Plus Florida was a running team and he got out in transition for some easier buckets.

Coleman on a good team will be an efficient 17-18 ppg guy

Good points

 

[dehere23]

Yeah but he’s the one player every other coach is doubling and telling his team to not let him go off.

He’s got a target on his back.

Just look at the year Kadary is having with all that talent around him. Same with Kalkbrenner and the outside shooting for Creighton.

it’s why Samuel was good with Florida: he didn’t have to worry as much about defense, had many more offensive possessions to have more scoring chances and had more talent around him so he was never double teamed. Plus Florida was a running team and he got out in transition for some easier buckets.

Coleman on a good team will be an efficient 17-18 ppg guy

He definitely might be more efficient surrounded by better players and certainly with another year of growth, experience and development. I think the situation will dictate how much he scores per game.

 

[ivyhillparkk1963]

Yeah but he’s the one player every other coach is doubling and telling his team to not let him go off.

He’s got a target on his back.

Just look at the year Kadary is having with all that talent around him. Same with Kalkbrenner and the outside shooting for Creighton.

it’s why Samuel was good with Florida: he didn’t have to worry as much about defense, had many more offensive possessions to have more scoring chances and had more talent around him so he was never double teamed. Plus Florida was a running team and he got out in transition for some easier buckets.

Coleman on a good team will be an efficient 17-18 ppg guy

Good points but what about his D?
He frequently gets beat , loses his man and gets beat off the boards.
There is more to it than just his offense if your gonna overpay..

 

[hallstorm]

Good points but what about his D?
He frequently gets beat , loses his man and gets beat off the boards.
There is more to it than just his offense if your gonna overpay..

His defense has gotten worse and I think it’s an absolute sign of apathy and looking toward another program. It’s been really bad.

But I do think his D would be better if SHU were winning.

So I suppose it’s worth meeting his asking price if we can get 1-2 other offensive-first players. I guess it comes with that caveat.

 

[ivyhillparkk1963]

His defense has gotten worse and I think it’s an absolute sign of apathy and looking toward another program. It’s been really bad.

But I do think his D would be better if SHU were winning.

So I suppose it’s worth meeting his asking price if we can get 1-2 other offensive-first players. I guess it comes with that caveat.

So guys now decide how hard they are gonna play based on if team is winning?

Todays game is on national TV with a first class broadcast team. If they aren't gonna give their all who needs them anyway. All the NIL money in the world can't give you that kind of exposure...

 

[MooneyHall07]

Fanta conveniently said that the day after Trilly posted it.

I have no idea how reliable Trilly or Fanta's intel is, but Fanta has been preparing for and is in DC this weekend for Marquette-Georgetown tonight on Peacock. Probably a good shot that is where he learned about Zay if in fact GTown has already secured his services behind the scenes for next year.

 

[MooneyHall07]

I guess we'll find out about this other stuff and how impactful it will be to attracting transfers. We've got a beautiful new facility, we've had a good track record of relevancy before this year, but how damaging has this been?

The one thing I don't see mentioned is that the DMV is home for him.

 

[chickenbox]

Hard to tell how good or not he is playing on this train wreck of a team.

 

[ivyhillparkk1963]

Hard to tell how good or not he is playing on this train wreck of a team.

This is very true.
What does his game look like if he was on st johns for example?
Probably 7th or 8th man averaging 5 ppg
Commanding much less$$$

 

[chickenbox]

This is very true.
What does his game look like if he was on st johns for example?
Probably 7th or 8th man averaging 5 ppg
Commanding much less$$$

Not the angle I was thinking

 

[radecicco]

Good points but what about his D?
He frequently gets beat , loses his man and gets beat off the boards.
There is more to it than just his offense if your gonna overpay..

And what is SHU’s biggest need? Offense, somebody who can score. He’s a sophomore averaging 15+ in the BE. we want/need him back. So we’ll see.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

For those that put coleman on a pedestal here...he just has a lazy nonchalant play that leads to a 1 on 0 run out dunk...a P4 school giving him loot would be SHU getting off cheap

 

[Jcordasco1952]

Not sure it’s all about money. I don’t think he wants to be here.

I don’t want him here either.

 

[ivyhillparkk1963]

And what is SHU’s biggest need? Offense, somebody who can score. He’s a sophomore averaging 15+ in the BE. we want/need him back. So we’ll see.

I'm just saying if your watching this game

And what is SHU’s biggest need? Offense, somebody who can score. He’s a sophomore averaging 15+ in the BE. we want/need him back. So we’ll see.

Agree but you can't cost us more points then you give either.
If your watching this game Coleman has gotten beat on a back door, on an offensive put back and a bad Turnover

 

[radecicco]

I'm just saying if your watching this game
Agree but you can't cost us more points then you give either.
If your watching this game Coleman has gotten beat on a back door, on an offensive put back and a bad Turnover

Don’t disagree about the D but man we need guys to put the ball in the basket also.

 

[JTSHU]

You pay for guards in college BB. If u dont pay isaiah u just got worse overnight. Pay for a 1,2,3 move godswill to the 4 and coach him up. Scotty is a backup 3 pt shooter. Felton still a young backup. Both of those 2 shouldnt get any significant $ yet. Dual must go. I dont wang him even aa a backup

 

[hbkmyr]

He would be a good secondary scorer but you need to bring in a player who is a higher level bucket getter.

 

[radecicco]

He would be a good secondary scorer but you need to bring in a player who is a higher level bucket getter.

Agree but wouldn’t it be great to have Coleman plus this other great scorer that we can supposedly get in the portal. We need two/three guys who can score. It would be great if Coleman was one of those guys.

 

[JTSHU]

He would be a good secondary scorer but you need to bring in a player who is a higher level bucket getter.

Lol ur broke and wana drive a bmw

 

[NYShoreGuy]

People say what is shu's biggest need...having a system of players that can do fundamentals at a high level...middleton and dual were coveted in the NIL transfer window? Dual thinks he has a better handle than what reality shows...Middleton was a top 100 kid out of HS?

 

[hbkmyr]

Agree but wouldn’t it be great to have Coleman plus this other great scorer that we can supposedly get in the portal. We need two/three guys who can score. It would be great if Coleman was one of those guys.

Yes. In an ideal world you’d like to keep him in that role.

 

[hbkmyr]

Lol ur broke and wana drive a bmw

Just sayin that would be the ideal role for him. I am also realistic that if the best they can do, moneywise etc, is bring back Coleman and build around him as the centerpiece they will not be any good next year.

 

[JTSHU]

Need more guys who arent afraid like coleman. Too many guys w no confidence

 

[Gohall129]

I have no idea how reliable Trilly or Fanta's intel is, but Fanta has been preparing for and is in DC this weekend for Marquette-Georgetown tonight on Peacock. Probably a good shot that is where he learned about Zay if in fact GTown has already secured his services behind the scenes for next year.

No his source is continuously Trilly. All of his scoops are the day after Trilly mentions it.

 

[Seton75]

Need more guys who arent afraid like coleman. Too many guys w no confidence

i whsh zay was more selfish.

 

[JTSHU]

THey collapse on him on drives. Hard to. Oh btw isaiah better numbers than RJ luis as a soph. But 4% pts less on fg.

 

[ivyhillparkk1963]

I guess I'm watching a different Coleman than you guys.
The game is more than offense !
He has gotten beat badly on the boards several times costing us points...

 

[JTSHU]

Guys averaging 17.5 in the BE

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Guys averaging 17.5 in the BE

This season entering today 36% from field 30% from 3 in league play

 

[JTSHU]

Hes the focus of defenses becasue we have nobody else

 

[JTSHU]

I guess u wana keep dual who racks up more fouls than points

 

[Piratz]

Dual is not a starting PG on a good BE team.

 

[JTSHU]

Hes not even a backup

 

[SPK145]

I only want these guys back (in order):

Coleman
Erheriene
Aligbe
Dual
Felton

 

[BucBloc]

I only want these guys back (in order):

Coleman
Erheriene
Aligbe
Dual
Felton

I’d go along with that. Can’t give up on Felton- on a real BE team he’d be 11-12 off the bench. He and Godswill played way more than anyone expected but it should help next year.