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Northam - Stay or go?

Are you taking the same stance with Fairfax as you did with Kavenaugh? A political hit job because of the timing?
What stance is that? Just pointing out what has happened.

Apparently the second rape by Fairfax has been corroborated, but let’s see if there is real evidence (unlike with Kavanaugh where there was none).
 
Are you taking the same stance with Fairfax as you did with Kavenaugh? A political hit job because of the timing?
I know I am. Nothing should happen to him until he gets his day in court. That's the way America works. It's a phenomenal country. Kavenaugh's case never went to court. This one looks like it might. I honestly hope they can prove this never happened just because I would rather hear about someone lying than hearing about rape. Like Kavanaugh I ask the question why now? Why when he is one step away from governor does this come about? He's not new to being a high ranked. For his sake he's lucky he's not guilty by accusation. People were on their high horse about Megyn Kelly having 0 understanding of blackface. Those people should be double if not triple appauled and even louder about what happened in VA.
 
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Context does matter. Is there an acceptable list of black people who I could dress up as in blackface?

How does one imitate a black rapper without being black or using black face? I am hardly one to defend liberal politicians, but in this particular case, what did Herring do that was so terrible? Did I miss something? I am really at sixes and sevens on this one. On the one hand it's amusing to see liberals hoisted on their own petards, but, gee whiz, fellows, if you're going to hang somebody, be sure the punishment fits the crime and in this case it doesn't.

In the case of Northam he should be canned for supporting infanticide but that doesn't appear to upset liberals. What have we come to in this country? BTW just today I read that since 1973 an estimated 16,000,000 black human beings have been aborted in the USA and yet, some call Trump the racist. Amazing.
 
How does one imitate a black rapper without being black or using black face? I am hardly one to defend liberal politicians, but in this particular case, what did Herring do that was so terrible? Did I miss something? I am really at sixes and sevens on this one. On the one hand it's amusing to see liberals hoisted on their own petards, but, gee whiz, fellows, if you're going to hang somebody, be sure the punishment fits the crime and in this case it doesn't.

In the case of Northam he should be canned for supporting infanticide but that doesn't appear to upset liberals. What have we come to in this country? BTW just today I read that since 1973 an estimated 16,000,000 black human beings have been aborted in the USA and yet, some call Trump the racist. Amazing.

Just out of curiosity....why is nobody going after the costume stores that have been selling this make up to go with these costumes for decades?
 
My original question was - has anyone here done the blackface thing?

The consensus answer was "no" but there are contextual ways to tastefully do it.
 
I have never done the black face thing. I lived at SHU in the 80s. I saw other people who did for skits and Halloween. Black people even laughed and we were all friends still. Should I give their names so we condemn them forever and hurt and their families? God help us. This goes both ways. Anyone remember Eddie Murphy in RAW. He made fun of of us honkies with the short skit of saving Reagan when he was hot, He made fun of us by turning into a tight-lipped uptight educated person when talking. He danced like a while man. I laughed my ass off.

Youtube Don Rickles also.
 
My original question was - has anyone here done the blackface thing?

The consensus answer was "no" but there are contextual ways to tastefully do it.

I've never done the blackface thing. However I was the devil one year for halloween. I was 8 years old. I might have to go find pictures to see if I had red make up on. I would imagine that's insensitive to Native American's. But I will check if I had a make up, a red mask, none at all, because I couldn't honestly tell you.
 
I've never done the blackface thing. However I was the devil one year for halloween. I was 8 years old. I might have to go find pictures to see if I had red make up on. I would imagine that's insensitive to Native American's. But I will check if I had a make up, a red mask, none at all, because I couldn't honestly tell you.

I'm not sure, but you sound defensive. As mentioned earlier, I've never done it and couldn't envision doing it but I can only speak for myself. However, don't be ashamed to be part of the one-third of Americans who say blackface is sometimes acceptable for Halloween.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...een-costume-is-acceptable-at-least-sometimes/
 
Every time Northam opens his mouth, he comes across as more of an idiot. The interview with Gail King today was about as insincere as you can get.
 
I'm not sure, but you sound defensive. As mentioned earlier, I've never done it and couldn't envision doing it but I can only speak for myself. However, don't be ashamed to be part of the one-third of Americans who say blackface is sometimes acceptable for Halloween.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...een-costume-is-acceptable-at-least-sometimes/
I’m anything but defensive that would put me and every other child who ever wore face paint on Halloween in the same spot. If I did wear it, it wasn’t to replicate any race of people. It was to be the devil. No different than any other child who wore green face paint to replicate the hulk.

This issue is getting out of hand. 50+ years later the NYT writes an article that Disney is racist because of blackface in Mary Poppins. Apparently chimney sweepers getting dust all over their faces is blackface.

Intentionally doing it is one thing. But people are looking to make something out of nothing in a lot of cases. And that hurts the cause to educate people.
 
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Every time Northam opens his mouth, he comes across as more of an idiot. The interview with Gail King today was about as insincere as you can get.

Is that the interview which he said 400 years ago that the first indentured servant arrived at Jamestown? Wow. This guy is just dumb. Interesting that there was a poll on black Virginians that 58% wanted him to stay. That was pretty surprising.
 
Is that the interview which he said 400 years ago that the first indentured servant arrived at Jamestown? Wow. This guy is just dumb. Interesting that there was a poll on black Virginians that 58% wanted him to stay. That was pretty surprising.
Yes, that was it...And he kept making an excuse that he is “still learning”.
 
I’m anything but defensive that would put me and every other child who ever wore face paint on Halloween in the same spot. If I did wear it, it wasn’t to replicate any race of people. It was to be the devil. No different than any other child who wore green face paint to replicate the hulk.

This issue is getting out of hand. 50+ years later the NYT writes an article that Disney is racist because of blackface in Mary Poppins. Apparently chimney sweepers getting dust all over their faces is blackface.

Intentionally doing it is one thing. But people are looking to make something out of nothing in a lot of cases. And that hurts the cause to educate people.

I'm sure you wore your devil costume with the best of intentions. Don't be ashamed to be part of the one-third of Americans who say blackface is sometimes acceptable for Halloween.
 
I'm sure you wore your devil costume with the best of intentions. Don't be ashamed to be part of the one-third of Americans who say blackface is sometimes acceptable for Halloween.
You just want to be a complete jackass and make a joke of the blackface topic. Stay classy.
 
You just want to be a complete jackass and make a joke of the blackface topic. Stay classy.

I see you have upped the rhetoric; and classy move with the name calling.

To repeat - I never did blackface and can't envision myself doing it. One third of Americans don't agree with me. You are in the 1/3 group but are ashamed to admit it.
 
I see you have upped the rhetoric; and classy move with the name calling.

To repeat - I never did blackface and can't envision myself doing it. One third of Americans don't agree with me. You are in the 1/3 group but are ashamed to admit it.
Keep patting yourself on the back for never doing it. I never did it either. Do you always know what's inside the mind and the heart of people you never met?
 
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I see you have upped the rhetoric; and classy move with the name calling.

To repeat - I never did blackface and can't envision myself doing it. One third of Americans don't agree with me. You are in the 1/3 group but are ashamed to admit it.
Why don't we discuss the NFL players who instead of wearing one strip of eye black under their eyes, end up using that eye black all over their face?
 
Why don't we discuss the NFL players who instead of wearing one strip of eye black under their eyes, end up using that eye black all over their face?

You are making this much harder than it needs to be. Are you part of the 1/3 of Americans who believe blackface is sometimes acceptable?
 
You are making this much harder than it needs to be. Are you part of the 1/3 of Americans who believe blackface is sometimes acceptable?

I'll glady answer your question, but you just simply ignore every question I ask and stick to one question like you're Joe McCarthy or you think you're better than I am. I'm not bowing down to you. If you're not going to answer either of my previous posts I'm not going to play your childish game.
 
Do you always know what's inside the mind and the heart of people you never met?

No, that's why I am asking you.

Why don't we discuss the NFL players who instead of wearing one strip of eye black under their eyes, end up using that eye black all over their face?

Personally I have never seen a football player who wore so much eye black that I thought he might be "doing blackface" but presumably such a thing might exist. However, I don't see this as a big issue.


Your turn.
 
Personally I have never seen a football player who wore so much eye black that I thought he might be "doing blackface" but presumably such a thing might exist. However, I don't see this as a big issue.
The PAC-12 banned excessive face paint.

I don't believe people should wear anything including blackface that is going to be an insult to a large group of people.
 
Like Redskins apparel? MAGA hats?
Kaepernick also offended a large group of people, should he have given up his protest? While I disagree with the way he went about his protest, he doesn't have to back down just because people disagree.

All I'm saying is Halloween is one day a year, the right thing to do is pick a costume that won't offend people.
 
Are you going to stop eating meat to make all vegeterians happy? You have to use common sense but you can't make the whole world happy either.

I know it's hard to convey tone through text but I was just joking around on that last post.
 
I know it's hard to convey tone through text but I was just joking around on that last post.
Sure you were.....

But good news those vegeterians won't be offended much longer, in 12 years no more beef with this Green New Deal. Vote AOC!!!!!!!
 
Sure you were.....

But good news those vegeterians won't be offended much longer, in 12 years no more beef with this Green New Deal. Vote AOC!!!!!!!

I was busting your balls because we were just discussing MAGA hats here.

The green new deal isn't getting rid of cows.... Though cows do contribute to emissions, the goal of the green new deal is to have net zero emissions. Why is that a bad thing?
Outside of partisan politics, I don't get why people wouldn't support reducing our impact on the environment as much as possible while transitioning away from fossil fuels and investing in a new industry that will decrease on reliance on foreign countries to meet our energy needs and create a ton of new jobs.
 
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I was busting your balls because we were just discussing MAGA hats here.

The green new deal isn't getting rid of cows.... Though cows do contribute to emissions, the goal of the green new deal is to have net zero emissions. Why is that a bad thing?
Outside of partisan politics, I don't get why people wouldn't support reducing our impact on the environment as much as possible while transitioning away from fossil fuels and investing in a new industry that will decrease on reliance on foreign countries to meet our energy needs and create a ton of new jobs.
Net zero emissions is a good idea. So is the idea that we’re all going to be millionaires without inflation. But campaigning on it is ridiculous because it’s not feasible. There’s nothing that suggests this is possible. In 12 years we are going to have everyone driving electric cars? If people can’t afford a new car, is the government going to give them one? The idea of rebuilding all these city buildings to make them greener is insane. I don’t think anyone would object to a better environment, just stop putting together documents of non feasibles. Sacrifice your ideals and find a middle ground where things can be possible. Otherwise it’s just a waste of taxpayer dollars.
 
Net zero emissions is a good idea. So is the idea that we’re all going to be millionaires without inflation. But campaigning on it is ridiculous because it’s not feasible. There’s nothing that suggests this is possible.

Of course it's possible. We will get there, just a matter of when and if we are going to sit back and watch as other countries are investing into the necessary R&D, or if we will take a leadership role and reap the economic benefits of investing in the industry.

Sacrifice your ideals and find a middle ground where things can be possible. Otherwise it’s just a waste of taxpayer dollars.

The green new deal only establishes a non-binding commitment to legislate within a certain framework. There are no wasted dollars.
It's largely symbolic, and meant to set ambitious goals that we should be aiming for.
 
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Of course it's possible. We will get there, just a matter of when and if we are going to sit back and watch as other countries are investing into the necessary R&D, or if we will take a leadership role and reap the economic benefits of investing in the industry.



The green new deal only establishes a non-binding commitment to legislate within a certain framework. There are no wasted dollars.
It's largely symbolic, and meant to set ambitious goals that we should be aiming for.

We won't get there in our lifetimes, and it may be possible, but it's certainly not feasible. We're going to replace every building in the country? Maybe over the next 200 years. All those natural gas pipelines just run? Scrap em. They're going to do away with fossil fuels and come for the collectors' cars? Aiming for zero-emission power sources and in the same breath condemning nuclear power is as naïve and misinformed as it gets. The deal isn't a waste of money, but of paper and time.
 
We won't get there in our lifetimes, and it may be possible, but it's certainly not feasible. We're going to replace every building in the country? Maybe over the next 200 years. All those natural gas pipelines just run? Scrap em. They're going to do away with fossil fuels and come for the collectors' cars? Aiming for zero-emission power sources and in the same breath condemning nuclear power is as naïve and misinformed as it gets. The deal isn't a waste of money, but of paper and time.

Net zero =/= zero.

Not sure what year you are planning on living to, but America will get there in my lifetime.

The bill does not call for every building to be replaced.
The bill does not call for the elimination of gas pipelines.
The bill does not mention nuclear energy

All this bill does is sets a tone, and will be one of thousands of bills introduced. Will you be commenting about the waste of paper and time on the other 7,000 or so?
 
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Net zero =/= zero.

Not sure what year you are planning on living to, but America will get there in my lifetime.

The bill does not call for every building to be replaced.
The bill does not call for the elimination of gas pipelines.
The bill does not mention nuclear energy

All this bill does is sets a tone, and will be one of thousands of bills introduced. Will you be commenting about the waste of paper and time on the other 7,000 or so?

Never equated net zero with zero. Moving away from fossil fuels would eliminate the need for pipelines, correct? If presented with the opportunity to comment on another bill, yes, there is a good chance that I will.
 
Net zero =/= zero.

Not sure what year you are planning on living to, but America will get there in my lifetime.

The bill does not call for every building to be replaced.
The bill does not call for the elimination of gas pipelines.
The bill does not mention nuclear energy

All this bill does is sets a tone, and will be one of thousands of bills introduced. Will you be commenting about the waste of paper and time on the other 7,000 or so?
Trump got elected because all people do is introduce bills to set the tone and get the conversation started.
 
Never equated net zero with zero. Moving away from fossil fuels would eliminate the need for pipelines, correct? If presented with the opportunity to comment on another bill, yes, there is a good chance that I will.

If we get to a point where we no longer need fossil fuels, is the amount of unnecessary pipes really going to be a concern for you?
 
Of course it's possible. We will get there, just a matter of when and if we are going to sit back and watch as other countries are investing into the necessary R&D, or if we will take a leadership role and reap the economic benefits of investing in the industry.



The green new deal only establishes a non-binding commitment to legislate within a certain framework. There are no wasted dollars.
It's largely symbolic, and meant to set ambitious goals that we should be aiming for.
I don’t see the real value of “symbolic” legislation but that’s me. In addition although I think it is important to include environmental impacts for any initiative, we should not ignore cost implications and other important factors.
 
I don’t see the real value of “symbolic” legislation but that’s me. In addition although I think it is important to include environmental impacts for any initiative, we should not ignore cost implications and other important factors.

From my view, the value is that AOC promised to push this agenda if she got elected.
She is following through on a promise while trying to build public support on the platform. If she can do that, progress towards her platform will occur. If she can't, then she will fail.
 
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Nonsense. The republicans in the house literally voted to repeal Obamacare more than 60 times.
Most voters couldn't name 5 bills in the house over the last 10 years. They don't care about the quantity of bills.
The general point is people don't see stuff getting done whether they know of 1 or 1,000 bills voted on in the house
 
From my view, the value is that AOC promised to push this agenda if she got elected.
She is following through on a promise while trying to build public support on the platform. If she can do that, progress towards her platform will occur. If she can't, then she will fail.
Yes she’s doing what her constituents asked but they represent a very narrow view. Good luck to her but this will likely putter quickly.
 
The general point is people don't see stuff getting done whether they know of 1 or 1,000 bills voted on in the house

Right... so you think people watched congress not getting anything done with their Obamacare repeal votes and then voted for Trump?

The "getting stuff done" talk is about the president working with congress. They don't care what bills congress puts up, they want to see congress working with the president to accomplish something.

Building public support for a platform is part of the political process. The people of her district voted for her to get this conversation going and considering how it is dominating the news lately - it worked.
 
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