guess who they see as their current #1?
http://www.vuhoops.com/2017/5/31/15...val-seton-hall-georgetown-saint-joes-big-east
http://www.vuhoops.com/2017/5/31/15...val-seton-hall-georgetown-saint-joes-big-east
Nova perspective on their "rivalries".....
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So they mention a negative incident by a Seton Hall player and a positive one regarding a Nova player. How about when Hart stepped on Delgado? I'll never like him for that reason.
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Weird to have an article about a team's rivalries, and then limit it to only teams they have played in the last 4 years.
The article is riddled with typos and grammatical errors, and of course no mention of IW's and 1 shot. Maybe one of the many highfalutin Nova grads can spring for an editor for this guy.
I can't imagine that if this years game is on a weekend at the Rock, it wont have less than 18,000. Electric
Yea pretty much stopped reading with this...
Recruiting Rivals - Villanova only faced Miami (FL) once in the last four seasons, a thrilling shootout in the NCAA tournament’s Sweet 16 during the Wildcat’s Championship run.
Nova won that game 92-69
Don't even read the comments. They are such high and mighty fans. Like they were born with a gold spoon in their mouths. They think their school is Ivy league similar to Rutgers. I love every time we beat them and enjoy every time they have to sweat every game out with us. I would never call a fellow Big East rival garbage and trash. I will call their fans uppity @#$%^&*, who need to be taken down a peg.
Haha what delusion. Must have forgot IW single handedly beating them for the BET TITLE. Also mention sterlings punch (which i maintain was accidental ricochet) and no mention of Josh Hart tripping and STOMPING on delgado.
i mean i get it its a nova board, but some selective memory there
i mean i get it its a nova board, but some selective memory there
Really? A very dark moment for The Hall MBB. And it was featured on a nonstop loop in Sports Center. Gibbs really sullied himself and us as well. Cue the "we all did dumb things when we were young" apologists. Not buying.
Not sure how he sullied the school. He was immediately removed from the game and suspended. Did he ultimately harm his own reputation, yes he did. However, his action had no bearing on the school's reputation as unlike Duke with Allen, KW immediately addressed the issue.
Lots of trash on the free board. Lots of respect for hall on pay board
Without clicking on the link, I would say that these are the main rivals right now
Temple
St Joe's
G-Town
Hall
Xavier
Temple
St Joe's
G-Town
Hall
Xavier
The article claims that SHU are the #1 rivals to the best team in the Big East. I would say that is rather complimentary to our school. Complaining about the SHU view of the good things in the rivalry is not getting the point of the article.
Not necessarily.
Bad blood, close proximity, past games of large magnitude, long standing history are all things that can lead to a rivalry even if in the short term or long term one team has dominated the other.
I would consider Rutgers as one of our best rivalries. Yes, we've dominated the series especially as of late but the close proximity, bragging rights, trophy, and high attendance are things that add to that rivalry.
all of those teams have been pretty good in recent and past history, including temple. Very elitist to think those teams wouldnt count towards a rivalry.
Article appears to have been written by new "flavor of the month" type fan. I find it to be best ignored. This "type" fan has come out the woodwork since run in 2016.
Villanova vs. Seton Hall is emerging as the rivalry of the new BE, IMO.
It definitely is and fox is realizing this. They should have both games on a Saturday at noon on the national Fox channel
It was a flagrant 2. He was thrown out of the game. He played the next game which was senior night. And he started if I'm not mistaken.
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Agreed. I've always felt that St. John's and Villanova were our true rivals dating back years. We've played so many games against Villanova through the decades. I'm glad that we're now sneaking up in their rear view mirror. A ways to go but we're getting there.
Read it again. I was wrong about my interpretation of what you said. Not sure what I was thinking. Sorry. Long day I guess.
That is not true Gibbs was suspended for two games by Willard the next day. In addition Gibbs immediately issued an apology to Arch. This issue was handled extremely well by the school and showed the difference between how Gonzo and Willard handle things. While the incident was a stupid thing to do by the player it was not a blight on the program due to the swift action of the staff.
Had Isaiah Whitehead played one more season at the Hall, the rivalry would have grown by leaps and bounds. He was the player opposing fans hated to see have the ball in his hands. Players like that heat up rivalries. But even as things turned out, it's become a very good rivalry. Proximity, the # of NJ grads at Villanova. I think the rivalry continues to grow as we get more history in the new Big East.
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Living in Allentown, PA I have a bunch of friends, colleagues, and acquaintances that are either Nova alums or Nova fans. They all respect Seton Hall and many talk fondly of the BET and other good games. Many have relatives that went to Seton Hall. Some of this good karma is due to the Catholic bond the schools in the league share.
Age also has something to do with. I have found that as I got older, the perception of a rival school mellows.
I have posted before that I had a chance to talk one-on-on with Jay Wright last fall at golf outing. I believe his comments were genuine and he had nothing but respect for Seton Hall.
Age also has something to do with. I have found that as I got older, the perception of a rival school mellows.
I have posted before that I had a chance to talk one-on-on with Jay Wright last fall at golf outing. I believe his comments were genuine and he had nothing but respect for Seton Hall.
I saw you started a thread too on Hall's biggest rivals as well. Yes, Phi_Pirate, grammar, etc. could certainly have been better although I personally am not one of the highfalutin ones that could help him!
The author's premise was "most exciting" rivalry. I think most any long time Nova fan would say Georgetown and St. Joe's are probably the most historically relevant longer term rivals. Similar to the initial feedback on your thread that Rutgers is #1.
The recency bias of the article clearly drives the order he came up with. I happen to agree with his order for "exciting rivals". It really boils down to who has beat Nova the most over the last 4 years (which appeared to be his time frame)... Hall at 3-8 has had the most success, Butler and Creighton next with 2, X with 1 win(s), but highly rated. The aggregate Georgetown and St. Joe's games have not been really been competitive over that period.
Nova-Hall games are exciting, chippy, fairly close (especially at Hall and MSG), and usually important so they are great games. Personally, I take a heck of a lot more pleasure out of beating up Georgetown and St. Joe's---probably because I am an old timer!
The author's premise was "most exciting" rivalry. I think most any long time Nova fan would say Georgetown and St. Joe's are probably the most historically relevant longer term rivals. Similar to the initial feedback on your thread that Rutgers is #1.
The recency bias of the article clearly drives the order he came up with. I happen to agree with his order for "exciting rivals". It really boils down to who has beat Nova the most over the last 4 years (which appeared to be his time frame)... Hall at 3-8 has had the most success, Butler and Creighton next with 2, X with 1 win(s), but highly rated. The aggregate Georgetown and St. Joe's games have not been really been competitive over that period.
Nova-Hall games are exciting, chippy, fairly close (especially at Hall and MSG), and usually important so they are great games. Personally, I take a heck of a lot more pleasure out of beating up Georgetown and St. Joe's---probably because I am an old timer!
From talking to all the coaches either in the post games or via the biweekly telephone call in sessions I can say that there are no @#$%^ coaches in the league. There is a comradery between the ten men borne of admiration, respect and common goals. It's a rare power league that can say the same.
I truly believe that every coach roots for the other playing out of conference. And not just because it helps them from a selfish angle. I certainly know that Kevin Willard does because of his admiration for his fellow league coaches. .
Still very much a rivalry even when the teams are down. Look no further than last years Big East tourney game.
Agree 1000%. The tradition for some teams plus this being the only major hoops only conference creates that. And Ewing will only add to that. I think BE coaches want Ewing to succeed to some degree.
We stunk in the BE early days when the SJU, Nova , Cuse and GT rivalries were solidified.
We had a flurry under PJ but it did not last.
We need wins at their arenas to become a perennial and respected rival.
We are knocking on the door.
We had a flurry under PJ but it did not last.
We need wins at their arenas to become a perennial and respected rival.
We are knocking on the door.
I think this is another advantage of getting back to our roots with the current league. These schools share common principles, challenges, and objectives.
It's remarkably similar to what made the original league in the 1980's before the football greed crept in.
100 percent agree. I remember sitting in the student section and watching SHU security personnel standing at the end of their bench waiting to escort Hart out. The look of surprise on their face was very telling.
I remember he got heckled every time he touched the ball for the rest of the game. He didn't take that well.
I remember he got heckled every time he touched the ball for the rest of the game. He didn't take that well.
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