Nyre Leaving - Wow!
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Yes there was an embezzlement of nearly 1 million. Yet the law school ranking is 56 nationally. That is a reflection of perhaps poor oversight by the former Dean. However, you cannot argue with the success of the law school or its quality reputation. That reputation has been built successfully by being pretty autonomous from the University itself. I don't want the law school to come under the thumb of the University to damage the law school. The money can can be restored. However, once a reputation is gone, it is gone forever.
The money can be restored!? How so oh wise one!? Fundraising and marketing aren’t exactly our strong points here.
Just for context the $975K is a cumulative number dating back to the year 2000. You are talking about ~$45K/year over the course of 20+ years. This is not meant to be an excuse, but this was primarily one person. Sometimes it's difficult to catch that slow drip. When you have one bad person in the right position they can do some unethical things.
this is terrible news for iona. their president just started getting in the flow of things.
This role is always a critical one, but you’re beginning to wonder as to where they can actually go for a replacement?
Dan, your comment here is that in reference to Nyre, the board of regents, or someone else
I know it's a tired refrain but the current president of Iona is VERY impressive.
www.iona.edu
Office of the President | Iona University
Iona University President Seamus Carey, Ph.D.
Only those at least 65 will understand the analogy, but Iona to Seton Hall is like the Kansas City A’s to the Yankees.
AgreedI know it's a tired refrain but the current president of Iona is VERY impressive.
Office of the President | Iona University
Iona University President Seamus Carey, Ph.D.
Uh, reputation? Embezzlement hits a reputation pretty hard. And when stuff like this happens, outside oversight is needed.
Now how much oversight, well, that's a different debate.
Unfortunately, embellishment at Law Schools has hit a number of top law schools, Notre Dame, Texas and Vanderbilt beside SHU. Didn't seem to hurt the schools acedemic reputation one bit
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bhttps://www.reuters.com/legal/government/seton-hall-is-latest-us-law-school-face-embezzlement-scandal-2022-12-22/
Seton Hall is not the first U.S. law school to face an embezzlement controversy. A former University of Texas law school facilities director in March pleaded guilty to one charge of theft of property after a university investigation found he stole $1.2 million over nearly four years through fraudulent contracts, invoices, and the improper use of procurement cards.
A former administrator of the clinical program at the University of Notre Dame law in 2018 pleaded guilty to numerous counts of theft for embezzling nearly $200,000 from the clinic’s operating funds and from its IOLTA account—an account that holds client funds in trust and bears interest that can be used toward legal aid.
A former administrative manager at Vanderbilt University Law School in 2012 pleaded guilty in the theft of more than $535,000 from the school. He was accused of writing fraudulent checks and using a university credit card for personal purchases.
A former administrator of the clinical program at the University of Notre Dame law in 2018 pleaded guilty to numerous counts of theft for embezzling nearly $200,000 from the clinic’s operating funds and from its IOLTA account—an account that holds client funds in trust and bears interest that can be used toward legal aid.
A former administrative manager at Vanderbilt University Law School in 2012 pleaded guilty in the theft of more than $535,000 from the school. He was accused of writing fraudulent checks and using a university credit card for personal purchases.
And none of the articles you're quoting talk about what steps were taking after the fact. You would think that these schools would put some sort of oversight in place. And if there were not some sort put in place, shame on them, too.
These school are all top 26 (I wanted to put 25 in so badly) and it seems like there were single bad actors that were called out. This was a group effort that nearly cleared $1M. Its a bad look.
All I'm saying is that embezzlement at this level is a stain on the school and its not unreasonable for a University president to try to take action for something like this.
I agree it is a stain on the school.
I am not privy to what transpired between the BOR and Nyre and who wanted more control. Maybe the BOR felt he should have known and told him we won't renew his contract, so he resigned
I have been a victim of this kind of theft in my business more than once unfortunately. After the first time, we put a control in place and the person overseeing it circumvented the control so we went oh for 2 . Total loss, nearly $1m . Two people in Jail. We never publicized the details or fixes and keep everything close to the vest .
I am not privy to what transpired between the BOR and Nyre and who wanted more control. Maybe the BOR felt he should have known and told him we won't renew his contract, so he resigned
I have been a victim of this kind of theft in my business more than once unfortunately. After the first time, we put a control in place and the person overseeing it circumvented the control so we went oh for 2 . Total loss, nearly $1m . Two people in Jail. We never publicized the details or fixes and keep everything close to the vest .
As a recent graduate of the law school, I'm privy to the details, and I can say that the law school + Nyre handled it (almost) flawlessly.
Every time we think we have great leaders / moving in the right direction we end up just shooting ourselves in the foot.
It’s not a problem if you replace them with great leaders.
Seton Hall needs stability. Nyre was a good leader. They don’t grow on trees. I can’t be sanguine about this turn of events.
Not sure If Christie is a serious candidate, but graduates of the school of education including my wife would not be too happy with that choice.
Really makes you wonder what the BOR had a problem with especially since it seems Nyre wanted to make sure everything was taken care of the right way.
Too controversial. He'd probably do a good job and raise lots of money but its not worth it and he also has his hat in the ring for the Presidential primary. Not a realistic candidate to discuss or worry about right now.
Don’t confuse me with being happy about this. I don’t like the optics of his leaving. My point is successful organizations find good leaders. We have a spotty record in that regard. The BOR needs to do their job.
If the BOR wasn’t happy with a strong leader, what makes anyone think they would remotely want Christie?
There simply aren’t that many good college leaders to go around. It will be a difficult challenge and I fear that this BOG will struggle to get the right person. Any really good candidate is going to be very concerned with what just played out.
Any good candidate should be concerned. Two separate issues though. There are always good candidates who are either in the top spot or ready to step into the top spot. You just need to do your due diligence and find them. But if SHU just want a yes-man, that’s the bigger problem.
Nyre was a home run. We’ve had an overwhelming number of singles.
If the BOR let Nyre do his job we wouldn’t be in this position. Now we have to hope they don’t screw up the search.
Not to be argumentative but there are almost 3000 4 year colleges in the US. I doubt there are more than a few hundred outstanding leaders in academia. We can’t afford mediocre. And a college chartered and largely governed by a diocese isn’t an easy sell.
I hope I am ridiculously wrong and that we find the leader we need.
If there is that much of a leadership, dearth, then why are we sending our children to college? Is there only one good leader at Harvard for instance? There are a lot of good people out there.
Based on what just happened I think our BOR prefers mediocre.
History says that’s the exception.
We have a dearth of leaders in general not just in academia. When you find a good one you keep them not drive than away. We have in its aggregate a very mediocre Board. Yes I know we have some very good members. But in total, they don’t inspire any confidence
I was shocked by the news of Nyre stepping down. Have sent some messages trying to get to the bottom of what happened.
Good luck but I doubt anyone with first hand knowledge will be sharing any real information. We’ll only be told what they want you to know, or what they want us to believe.
I feel like it was tongue in cheek suggestion, but Chris would be an excellent choice. Former governor coming over to take the reins of Seton Hall? I think that is, in many ways, a perfect statement for the university and of its presence and value in the state. Plus, love him or hate him, Christie is hard to ignore. He'd make things happen. Eventually, he might flame out or in some kind of semi-controversy, but in the meantime he would make things happen.
There are plenty of true leaders in academia, but many of them are not serving in the president's office. Some of them are comfortable at the current level; many others just know better than to pursue that.
