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But Noah didn't attend Seton Hall... Is NBC going to give the college of attendance of all the athlete's parents? I certainly don't care to hear that for each.He was great. But they only showed his mother and never mentioned SHU. We need a better PR person
But Noah didn't attend Seton Hall... Is NBC going to give the college of attendance of all the athlete's parents? I certainly don't care to hear that for each.
Did they mention that he was committed to Florida before skipping college?
If FDU can expand their athletic offerings there is no reason that SHU shouldn’t be able to!I feel like restoring our track & field program is more appropriate. To this day, one of the more disappointing things the University has done IMO.
Agree 100%. The worst move by an Athletic Director in Seton Hall sports history. Seton Hall could once again rise to prominence in Track and Field, if they give the sport another chance. Perhaps this should be something that we ask Felt about.I feel like restoring our track & field program is more appropriate. To this day, one of the more disappointing things the University has done IMO.
Really? Where would the money come from?If FDU can expand their athletic offerings there is no reason that SHU shouldn’t be able to!
Simple. A lack of $$$$$I don't understand how you take a national program, with a world-class legendary coach, one that has both men and women compete, and completely burn it to the ground like that.
In no way do I mean to disparage another program at SHU, but how does co-ed cross country exist but co-ed (or even women's only) track & field does not? I'll never get it.
Simple. A lack of $$$$$
Additionally a lot of the kids on the cross country team also participated on the indoor and outdoor track teams!Understanding that I'm a layman in this case, what drives cross-country being drastically less expensive than track, given that we already had suitable track facilities at the time of closure, and the existing coach was kept on for cross country?
Was it cost of recruiting trips? Was it the cost of participation in events? I've heard this argument before but I've never really seen a proper explanation to support it and I'm unfortunately not familiar with either sport to this degree.
If you want something bad enough you work for it, if you don’t you make excuses.Really? Where would the money come from?
Additionally a lot of the kids on the cross country team also participated on the indoor and outdoor track teams!
Another thing people forget is that the day before the four track teams were unceremoniously cut they honored them and Coach Moon at halftime of a men’s basketball game the night before.
Certainly something that can be done without huge expense or North East disadvantage.Agree 100%. The worst move by an Athletic Director in Seton Hall sports history. Seton Hall could once again rise to prominence in Track and Field, if they give the sport another chance. Perhaps this should be something that we ask Felt about.
No, I wouldn't want to sit through that either, but it's relevant that his parents were both Division I track and field competitors at the same university. Seems like that's a tidbit that could be worked in, especially given how much NBC loves to present the personal side of the athletes.But Noah didn't attend Seton Hall... Is NBC going to give the college of attendance of all the athlete's parents? I certainly don't care to hear that for each.
With all due respect, that's ridiculous.He was great. But they only showed his mother and never mentioned SHU. We need a better PR person
Well, obviously no supporters want it enough to contribute adequately.If you want something bad enough you work for it, if you don’t you make excuses.
The university has to want it. There are numerous things alumni want and would support but if the university says ‘no’ then what recourse do we have? This could be a reason why alumni giving pretty much sucks.Well, obviously no supporters want it enough to contribute adequately.
What? Have you heard of circular reasoning? Athletics loses money today. A track program would significantly increase that deficit. What academic programs would you cut to reinstate the sport? “Find the money” is the equivalent of sprinkling pixie dust.The university has to want it. There are numerous things alumni want and would support but if the university says ‘no’ then what recourse do we have? This could be a reason why alumni giving pretty much sucks.
On NBC in their 730PM pre-Olympic show his parents were identified as former SHU All-Americans.Noah is in the finals.
He eased up at end and it almost cost him .
What? Have you heard of circular reasoning? Athletics loses money today. A track program would significantly increase that deficit. What academic programs would you cut to reinstate the sport? “Find the money” is the equivalent of sprinkling pixie dust.
Exactly! The university made a decision to cut the track programs with absolutely no notice or effort to save them. Maybe reaching out to Pirate Blue members and/or track alumni would have an idea. I was not on the track team but I am a Pirate Blue member and would have gladly donated to help save the teams. Seeing as the coach and team were honored the night before they were dumped it doesn’t seem like anyone outside a very small circle of people were aware this was going to happen. The university should be a lot more transparent on their plans and needs.In fairness, it's also a lot easier to "find money" if people knew what they are donating it for. From rich alums down to poor alums, the endless stream of generalized "please donate" loses its effectiveness when it's not specifically directed towards something.
I don't recall the University campaigning to "save the track program". If they had, perhaps the money "would have been found." The University made a shrewd, callous business decision that, to my knowledge, did not involve any outside-the-box thinking or attempts at targeted fundraising.
Have you heard of “return on investment”? How many alumni, track and otherwise, are not donating now because something near and dear to them was cut or dropped with little to no effort made to save it because the university did not want to save it and therefore did not let anyone know there was even a problem before it became insurmountable?What? Have you heard of circular reasoning? Athletics loses money today. A track program would significantly increase that deficit. What academic programs would you cut to reinstate the sport? “Find the money” is the equivalent of sprinkling pixie dust.
I do, but if that was intended as a joke imho it missed the markI guess you don’t have a sense of humor
If I remember right, there was a lot of support at Providence to save their baseball team. However, the decision makers at PC did not want to continue sponsoring baseball so it was cut and sadly it really didn’t matter what anyone else wanted.Don’t forget that St John’s also dropped sports, including men’s track & field (kept women’s) and football. Other schools have made similar moves as the ones at SHU and Providence.
If I remember right, there was a lot of support at Providence to save their baseball team. However, the decision makers at PC did not want to continue sponsoring baseball so it was cut and sadly it really didn’t matter what anyone else wanted.
I was told by an insider that in the history of the track program less than $50k cumulatively was donated. That is effectively zero. There is no support for the program.In fairness, it's also a lot easier to "find money" if people knew what they are donating it for. From rich alums down to poor alums, the endless stream of generalized "please donate" loses its effectiveness when it's not specifically directed towards something.
I don't recall the University campaigning to "save the track program". If they had, perhaps the money "would have been found." The University made a shrewd, callous business decision that, to my knowledge, did not involve any outside-the-box thinking or attempts at targeted fundraising.
Please do not take this as disrespectful but what was outreach like from the university to the former student athletes? Especially with track, we produced many Olympian’s. Did the school ask for support? If former student athletes, across all sports, are largely found to not be financially supporting the university on some level then I would think that is a huge problem that the university would want to investigate. What was their experience like as a Pirate and what could have made it better? What can be done now to repair that relationship so that they would support the university? These are questions that probably need to be asked.I was told by an insider that in the history of the track program less than $50k cumulatively was donated. That is effectively zero. There is no support for the program.
I was told by an insider that in the history of the track program less than $50k cumulatively was donated. That is effectively zero. There is no support for the program.