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2022 will have the second highest amount of US oil production ever. 2023 is expected be the highest.
In July we just set a new record for the amount of oil we exported.

US oil production is not a problem. We are producing plenty.
When is everybody going to realize that it is all about oil companies greed . We can produce enough oil,if not why are we one of the top countries that export oil. Gas was cheap during the height of the pandemic because there was nobody on the road. After that prices sky rocket so that they can regain their losses . Make share holders happy.Then they level off the price and now raise up again. Complete con game by the oil companies that the consumers have very little control of.
 
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2022 will have the second highest amount of US oil production ever. 2023 is expected be the highest.
In July we just set a new record for the amount of oil we exported.

US oil production is not a problem. We are producing plenty.
We are producing more, but it's not enough to meet demand. So it is a problem.
 
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When is everybody going to realize that it is all about oil companies greed . We can produce enough oil,if not why are we one of the top countries that export oil. Gas was cheap during the height of the pandemic because there was nobody on the road. After that prices sky rocket so that they can regain their losses . Make share holders happy.Then they level off the price and now raise up again. Complete con game by the oil companies that the consumers have very little control of.
So are you saying that EV companies aren't greedy? Solar companies aren't greedy? Windmill manufacturers aren't greedy? All of their shareholders don't want to be "happy"? They all play in the same pool, so to just make oil companies the bogey man is just plain silly.
 
So are you saying that EV companies aren't greedy? Solar companies aren't greedy? Windmill manufacturers aren't greedy? All of their shareholders don't want to be "happy"? They all play in the same pool, so to just make oil companies the bogey man is just plain silly.

Oil companies are not the boogeyman for making money.

But there is a disconnect about why gasoline prices are high right now, and it has nothing to do with US oil production.
 
Electricity from renewable sources in China is 4x what it is in the US.
The share of renewable electricity generation as a proportion or all sources is 10% higher than it is in the US.
But it takes coal and other energy sources to produce electricity. They set a record for coal consumption last year.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...growth-energy-coal-use-since-2011-2022-02-28/
And we are the ones who care about the environment?
Everyone cares about the environment, however politics and agendas. France has taken many of their nuclear plants off line due to public pressure.
I don't know anyone who believes that. Part of the point of moving towards developing renewables in the US is to reduce our reliance on foreign sources of energy. No one wants to produce less here to buy more elsewhere.



I'm not as pessimistic. We could solve the problem if we really wanted to. The public just isn't on board with seeing it as a problem.
Oil companies are not the boogeyman for making money.

But there is a disconnect about why gasoline prices are high right now, and it has nothing to do with US oil production.
So are the costs of all the other energy sources not overpriced? Why the focus only on oil companies?
 
But it takes coal and other energy sources to produce electricity. They set a record for coal consumption last year.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...growth-energy-coal-use-since-2011-2022-02-28/

Right. They still have many parts of their county that are developing and have a lot of energy needs.
They will use whatever they need to to produce more.

Doesn't mean we should ignore that they have made massive investments in renewable energy.

So are the costs of all the other energy sources not overpriced? Why the focus only on oil companies?

Because you brought up the price of gasoline.
 
Right. They still have many parts of their county that are developing and have a lot of energy needs.
They will use whatever they need to to produce more.

Doesn't mean we should ignore that they have made massive investments in renewable energy.
I never said we should ignore. I want us to deploy a strategy that makes sense for the public good…not because something is the new shiny thing and demonizing other sources.

Because you brought up the price of gasoline.
I brought up the cost of all energy sources.
 
I never said we should ignore. I want us to deploy a strategy that makes sense for the public good…not because something is the new shiny thing and demonizing other sources.

Right... I was not talking to you. I was responding a different post when they said that China does not care about the environment. It's just not an accurate representation of what they have done in the last 10-15 years in that industry. They made a goal by 2025 to get 1/3 of their electricity from renewables and they are going to surpass that.

They are leading in the industry because they understand the long game.
We are too shortsighted and worry about "demonizing" other sources.

I brought up the cost of all energy sources.

No. You are the one who changed the topic to gas prices.

We have had gas prices skyrocket and expect to see prices go back up significantly very soon. We are not pumping enough oil on our own.
 
Right... I was not talking to you. I was responding a different post when they said that China does not care about the environment. It's just not an accurate representation of what they have done in the last 10-15 years in that industry. They made a goal by 2025 to get 1/3 of their electricity from renewables and they are going to surpass that.

They are leading in the industry because they understand the long game.
We are too shortsighted and worry about "demonizing" other sources.
I’m not demonizing China nor am I holding them up as a standard we should follow. We are shortsighted. I’ve been very clear on that.
No. You are the one who changed the topic to gas prices.
You’re being selective. I also raised the issue of other forms of energy.
 
So are you saying that EV companies aren't greedy? Solar companies aren't greedy? Windmill manufacturers aren't greedy? All of their shareholders don't want to be "happy"? They all play in the same pool, so to just make oil companies the bogey man is just plain silly.
I'm just making a point on gas prices and how the BS about pipe line will solve the problem .
 
I'm just making a point on gas prices and how the BS about pipe line will solve the problem .

He knows that. He understands that oil companies take advantages situations to drive up their profits. Even said so here 11 years ago when the prices were increasing because of the unrest in the middle east.

I think the oil producing countries and oil companies will take advantage on any international situation to drive up the price of gas (and their profits).

But now, he buys into the talking points that it is US production that is the problem driving up prices.. mhm... ok...
 
That's just not true though. We are a net exporter of petroleum products. We more than meet our own demand.


Being a net exporter doesn't mean you are meeting demand necessarily. It only means you're exporting more than you're importing. An example on a most basic level would be we export 100 barrels and import 90. That's a net exporter, but it obviously doesn't meet demand if demand is more than that.

What HALL85 is saying is demand is higher than what we in America put out. Doesn't really have anything to do with exporting. We should be using more of that product in our own country to meet domestic demand and drive down prices.
 
Being a net exporter doesn't mean you are meeting demand necessarily. It only means you're exporting more than you're importing. An example on a most basic level would be we export 100 barrels and import 90. That's a net exporter, but it obviously doesn't meet demand if demand is more than that.

That doesn't make sense.

If there is a demand of 1,000, you import 90 and export 100 - That means you produced 1,010 and your production exceeds demand.

That is what it means to be a net exporter.

What HALL85 is saying is demand is higher than what we in America put out. Doesn't really have anything to do with exporting. We should be using more of that product in our own country to meet domestic demand and drive down prices.


I understand what he is saying. He is just wrong.

We could produce all of the gasoline we needed here without importing any at all.
That would increase the price of gas in the united states, it would not not reduce the price.
 
Electricity from renewable sources in China is 4x what it is in the US.
The share of renewable electricity generation as a proportion or all sources is 10% higher than it is in the US.

And we are the ones who care about the environment?
China has 4x the number of people we do


I don't know anyone who believes that. Part of the point of moving towards developing renewables in the US is to reduce our reliance on foreign sources of energy. No one wants to produce less here to buy more elsewhere.

First day in office, President Biden cancelled the keystone pipeline. He sent a message loud and clear directly to oil companies.

I'm not as pessimistic. We could solve the problem if we really wanted to. The public just isn't on board with seeing it as a problem.
Take ride down the GSP massive cars all over the road. Lots of folks want bigger cars and really don’t care. The politicians themselves don’t want to change.
 
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Electricity from renewable sources in China is 4x what it is in the US.
The share of renewable electricity generation as a proportion or all sources is 10% higher than it is in the US.

And we are the ones who care about the environment?
China has 4x the number of people we do


I don't know anyone who believes that. Part of the point of moving towards developing renewables in the US is to reduce our reliance on foreign sources of energy. No one wants to produce less here to buy more elsewhere.

First day in office, President Biden cancelled the keystone pipeline. He sent a message loud and clear directly to oil companies.

I'm not as pessimistic. We could solve the problem if we really wanted to. The public just isn't on board with seeing it as a problem.
Take ride down the GSP massive cars all over the road. Lots of folks want bigger cars and really don’t care. The politicians themselves don’t want to change.
 
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Keep on buying these big SUV and pay the price .
If that’s what you or I want to do, then we have the freedom to do so. I choose to drive a fuel efficient vehicle because it’s economical and better for the environment than a gas guzzler…you do you. The government shouldn’t force us to buy one over the other.
 
That doesn't make sense.

If there is a demand of 1,000, you import 90 and export 100 - That means you produced 1,010 and your production exceeds demand.

That is what it means to be a net exporter.




I understand what he is saying. He is just wrong.

We could produce all of the gasoline we needed here without importing any at all.
That would increase the price of gas in the united states, it would not not reduce the price.
But we are part of a global economy. Why wouldn’t we want to produce as much oil as we can to meet our domestic demand and export as much as we can? Better for our Konomi, and more jobs. If you call that “wrong”, I don’t wanna be right.
 
But we are part of a global economy. Why wouldn’t we want to produce as much oil as we can to meet our domestic demand and export as much as we can? Better for our Konomi, and more jobs. If you call that “wrong”, I don’t wanna be right.

You say like that we aren’t exporting more than we ever have and are on track to produce more than we ever have…
 
Not what I’m saying.

Hard to follow when you keep changing your point.
First it was that we need to produce more because gas prices are too high (not true) then it was that we’re not producing enough to meet demand (not true) now it’s we should be producing to meet our domestic and export demands (we are)

No one here is advocating abandoning oil right now. Just supporting that we invest in building out an energy infrastructure that is less reliant on burning fossil fuels for the future.
 
If that’s what you or I want to do, then we have the freedom to do so. I choose to drive a fuel efficient vehicle because it’s economical and better for the environment than a gas guzzler…you do you. The government shouldn’t force us to buy one over the other.
I agree but if you are buying a big SUV or any gas guzzler don't complain about gas prices
 
Hard to follow when….No one here is advocating abandoning oil right now. Just supporting that we invest in building out an energy infrastructure that is less reliant on burning fossil fuels for the future.
The problem is yours…I’ve said multiple times we need a long term strategy, not knee jerk politicized policies that pick winners and losers.
 
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