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https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/mlbs-arizona-restart-vision-fraught-with-logistical-nightmares/

Arizona restart vision fraught with logistical nightmares

By Joel Sherman

April 7, 2020 | 11:32am



MLB officials on Monday sketched out for the first time to the Players Association a vision of re-starting first spring training in May and then beginning a season a few weeks later, with all of the training and games played exclusively in Arizona with no crowds.

The Associated Press and ESPN were first to outline details, but officials from the commissioner’s office, team executives and union personnel cautioned the plan is in its infancy, not embraced by either side as gospel yet and facing many hurdles of logistics, finances, staffing and permission of medical and governmental institutions.

MLB put out a statement Tuesday that said it is “actively considering numerous contingency plans that would allow play to commence once the public health situation has improved to the point that it is safe to do so.” The statement acknowledged the one-locale plan as a possibility, but that no detailed elements have been formalized nor has there been approval with officials from the government, medical community or the Players Association on the plan.

What is fueling the energy behind the one-locale plan is concerns by both management and players that playing games broadly across the country during this coronavirus pandemic will be impossible. Thus, what might be in play for MLB and its players is to play in one region such as Arizona and isolate the personnel needed for this as much as possible, potentially for months — or not to play at all.

As one person briefed on the plan said, “It is imperfect. It may be impossible. But we should study this in every way possible because it could be a plan like this or no baseball in 2020.”

The obstacles, though, are significant and many. Here are a few key ones:

— What signal and from which medical and science professionals will it take for the league to say it will try this and then for players, coaches and whatever staff is needed to return en masse? What happens if a bloc of players on, say, the Phillies or Angels refuse to come back until there is a vaccine that brings the chances of contacting this coronavirus to near zero?

— How will players be paid? If there are no gate receipts, luxury boxes, concessions, parking, etc., MLB will be losing a substantial amount of its revenue for this season. Some of it could be made up if TV networks — hungry for live sports again — provide additional payouts to show a greater number of games. Still, owners are facing substantial losses either way.

One club official said, “Say a team is losing $70 million this year and to play it knows it would lose another $10 million to $20 million without fans and all that comes with that, why would they approve that plan without the players taking a cut?” Conversely, players could argue that by returning sooner than later they are playing a risk/reward game to help the institution and should not have to sacrifice pay.

MLB and the union already reached agreement on a plan that gives $170 million to 40-man roster players through May. But the arrangement is for no more than that without games. As opposed to NBA and NHL players who had received the bulk of their 2020 salaries because of how far their seasons have gone already, MLB players would not be in that situation. As a person briefed on the plans said, “It could come down to how many players are willing to accept fill-in-the-blank, 35, 40, 50, 60 percent of their salaries or zero the rest of the way.”

— What percentage of risk is acceptable? It is not going to be zero. There is not going to be a vaccine in the next month. Perhaps there will be wider testing or better understanding of who is now immune and who is not. But this will still entail putting a lot of people in one place at one time — and not just players. There is a need for coaches, umpires, TV crews, grounds crews, clubhouse attendants, doctors, trainers, workout specialists. Everyone will have to be fed and housed and commuted from one place to another, forcing an ever-wider pool of contact.

Can all of these people stay isolated from others?

There are a few players, for example, with diabetes. Will players, coaches and umpires with underlying health issues be told not to participate because they are more vulnerable to coronavirus and bad outcomes?

A player representative said, “There are significant medical and practical challenges ahead in this whole thing. Everyone wants to play as many games as possible, but only at the point that health and safety are adequately protected.”

How many people will agree what “adequately” means?

— What happens if a player, coach, clubhouse attendant, etc. tests positive for the virus? Does that force a team-wide quarantine and, thus, a shutdown of the sport again? After all, if, say, the Yankees need to quarantine, the other 29 teams can’t keep playing without them.

That is why MLB is asking its medical/scientific advisors can the person who tests positive be quarantined and the rest of the team continue playing under an even more watchful medical evaluation? Teams, after all, are used to having to put players on the Injured List all the time. But when a player sprains his ankle, for example, it is not infectious and it is not lethal to him or others. If someone associated with this venture of putting on games got very sick or — worse — died, what would that make the decision to return look like? Again, the chances to get to zero risk is not here. How much risk and potential damage to reputation is the league willing to take?

The answer is at least some. MLB recognizes that if it can get out first among sports leagues there is potential residual benefits both monetarily and in image in helping the country potentially feel more normal again.

— Where will teams play? There are 10 spring training facilities in Arizona housing 15 teams (five clubs share a facility), plus the Diamondbacks’ Chase Field plus some universities/colleges/junior colleges that have potentially suitable stadiums such as the University of Arizona, Arizona State and Grand Canyon University.

But think of the number of people it will take to get 15-ish fields prepped daily for baseball. If this goes for months, think of the daytime heat in Arizona becoming a factor. And think about how much governmental and public pushback there could be to increase risk in the name of playing baseball. No plan is going to get near 100 percent approval.

— How long will players and staff tolerate being separated from their families? Just how isolated is isolated and for how long? Just think of this example: Gerrit Cole and his wife, Amy, are expecting their first child in June. Can Cole return to his wife for that birth? If he does, will he have to quarantine for two weeks when he comes back? Multiply that by many players making similar situations for births, funerals and just general need to have proximity to loved ones.

— What is the imagery going to be? Yes, a lot of it is positive, just having games on again. But remember this is a sport in which — among other things — there is a lot of licking of fingers, spitting and reaching for some sweat to get a better grip. The ball is shared. Someone has to pick up and clean the uniforms. All of this would be true if MLB were playing widely in familiar sites. But it will become even more pertinent whenever they try to play next.
 
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MLB addresses reports of May relaunch in Arizona, says baseball is considering ‘numerous contingency plans’


By BRADFORD WILLIAM DAVIS


Don’t break your coronavirus quarantine and book a $12 one-way flight to Phoenix just yet.

Major League Baseball released a statement on Tuesday addressing reports about a proposed restart of the season in Arizona.

“MLB has been actively considering numerous contingency plans that would allow play to commence once the public health situation has improved to the point that it is safe to do so,” the league said in the statement. "While we have discussed the idea of staging games at one location as one potential option, we have not settled on that option or developed a detailed plan.”

Despite the statement, reports from ESPN and AP on Monday emerged detailing an Arizona-only relaunch that was viewed as the ideal solution by multiple parties towards bringing baseball back as soon as possible during the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.

“High-ranking federal public health officials” believed the league could safely resume play and relaunch the season, so long as players and sporting staff were quarantined within the area and restrict their travel to and from the handful of ballparks in the area, according to ESPN. The idea was “embraced” by both MLB and union leaders.

[More Sports] Could Gerrit Cole be with his wife for the birth of their first child and other issues the Yankees are talking about with regard to MLB’s reported Arizona plan »

However, Tuesday’s statement emphasized the importance of maintaining public safety as “paramount.”

“While we continue to interact regularly with governmental and public health officials, we have not sought or received approval of any plan from federal, state and local officials, or the Players Association," the statement read. "The health and safety of our employees, players, fans and the public at large are paramount, and we are not ready at this time to endorse any particular format for staging games in light of the rapidly changing public health situation caused by the coronavirus.”

The ongoing spread of the coronavirus, which has reached over 367,000 confirmed cases in the United States, has left most American sports on pause.
 
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/...0200407-gt4tf73o4nhobjqzllnqmxtlfm-story.html

MLB addresses reports of May relaunch in Arizona, says baseball is considering ‘numerous contingency plans’


By BRADFORD WILLIAM DAVIS


Don’t break your coronavirus quarantine and book a $12 one-way flight to Phoenix just yet.

Major League Baseball released a statement on Tuesday addressing reports about a proposed restart of the season in Arizona.

“MLB has been actively considering numerous contingency plans that would allow play to commence once the public health situation has improved to the point that it is safe to do so,” the league said in the statement. "While we have discussed the idea of staging games at one location as one potential option, we have not settled on that option or developed a detailed plan.”

Despite the statement, reports from ESPN and AP on Monday emerged detailing an Arizona-only relaunch that was viewed as the ideal solution by multiple parties towards bringing baseball back as soon as possible during the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.

“High-ranking federal public health officials” believed the league could safely resume play and relaunch the season, so long as players and sporting staff were quarantined within the area and restrict their travel to and from the handful of ballparks in the area, according to ESPN. The idea was “embraced” by both MLB and union leaders.

[More Sports] Could Gerrit Cole be with his wife for the birth of their first child and other issues the Yankees are talking about with regard to MLB’s reported Arizona plan »

However, Tuesday’s statement emphasized the importance of maintaining public safety as “paramount.”

“While we continue to interact regularly with governmental and public health officials, we have not sought or received approval of any plan from federal, state and local officials, or the Players Association," the statement read. "The health and safety of our employees, players, fans and the public at large are paramount, and we are not ready at this time to endorse any particular format for staging games in light of the rapidly changing public health situation caused by the coronavirus.”

The ongoing spread of the coronavirus, which has reached over 367,000 confirmed cases in the United States, has left most American sports on pause.


Foolish to me. WAY too early....sends the wrong message to the country. Sure, it is fine to socially mingle again....on May 15th.....will just restart the virus clock...
 
Incredibly stupid. Yeah, let's play baseball in the summer in a climate where it's 100 degrees or more every day.

I don't have any problem with starting sports again as early as mid May. Maybe Memorial Day would make a nice opening day, actually. The country definitely needs to begin reopening by May. We can't let something that doesn't kill 98% of the people who get it completely shut down this country for much longer.
 
Yup, have to keep the corporations in business. No need to worry about 2% of the people in your country.

My faith in humanity is at an all time low.



Incredibly stupid. Yeah, let's play baseball in the summer in a climate where it's 100 degrees or more every day.

I don't have any problem with starting sports again as early as mid May. Maybe Memorial Day would make a nice opening day, actually. The country definitely needs to begin reopening by May. We can't let something that doesn't kill 98% of the people who get it completely shut down this country for much longer.
 
Incredibly stupid. Yeah, let's play baseball in the summer in a climate where it's 100 degrees or more every day.

I don't have any problem with starting sports again as early as mid May. Maybe Memorial Day would make a nice opening day, actually. The country definitely needs to begin reopening by May. We can't let something that doesn't kill 98% of the people who get it completely shut down this country for much longer.

You do realize that's potentially 6.4M deaths if we just open up and let it rip, right? And the % is actually much higher than 2% of the additional millions that would be shockingly compromised and bed ridden. That will be worse long term. You cannot have a society like that. It won't help the economy.

The country should not re-open until there is a proven treatment available in mass, with vaccine on deck for 2021. That's probably a month or two away, at most. It's bad enough we're chasing testing and are only testing those already extremely ill. You don't want a re-start and a relapse.

We in the 1st inning of understanding this virus. China is fearful they are seeing a secondary spike because of the asymptomatic people now being identified, particularly with Hubei opening. We are still miles behind that, only testing a small % of people who are already visibly sick, not to mention the virus was ripping around for probably 3 months.
 
Yup, have to keep the corporations in business. No need to worry about 2% of the people in your country.

My faith in humanity is at an all time low.

I would be more concerned about the food industry that’s harming 100%. They just kill us with a few grams of sugar every day.
 
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You do realize that's potentially 6.4M deaths if we just open up and let it rip, right? And the % is actually much higher than 2% of the additional millions that would be shockingly compromised and bed ridden. That will be worse long term. You cannot have a society like that. It won't help the economy.

The country should not re-open until there is a proven treatment, with vaccine on deck for 2021. That's probably a month or two away, at most.

We in the 1st inning of understanding this virus. China is fearful they are seeing a secondary spike now because of the asymptomatic people now being identified. We are still miles behind that, only testing a small % of people who are already visibly sick, not to mention the virus was ripping around for probably 3 months.

Read the posts since this whole thing started. He doesn't care, at all. Zero empathy.
 
Read the posts since this whole thing started. He doesn't care, at all. Zero empathy.

To me, in general terms (not anything to do with shu09) one of the biggest changes in society is dwindling of empathy, of community, shared values. We've always had our issues, fragmentation, sure, all going to happen in pluralistic society, but we've really become a country of mercenaries more than I recall.

<steps off soap box>
 
Yup, have to keep the corporations in business. No need to worry about 2% of the people in your country.

My faith in humanity is at an all time low.

It's 2% of the people who get it (and that's an overestimate on my end), not 2% of the population. Not everyone would get it because it will be snuffed out for the most part by the policies that are in place this month. Containment will be much easier after we get through this phase.

We can't let this virus hold us hostage for much longer or we won't have much of a country. It'll be absolutely ruined economically, which will cause a heck of a lot more deaths than the virus will.
 
Real containment will not occur without testing. Right now we have to take all of these #'s with a grain of salt. All we have done is try to freeze the virus. We don't know who has it or what the extent will be yet.

Have to take all of these numbers with a grain of salt.
 
You do realize that's potentially 6.4M deaths if we just open up and let it rip, right? And the % is actually much higher than 2% of the additional millions that would be shockingly compromised and bed ridden. That will be worse long term. You cannot have a society like that. It won't help the economy.

The country should not re-open until there is a proven treatment available in mass, with vaccine on deck for 2021. That's probably a month or two away, at most. It's bad enough we're chasing testing and are only testing those already extremely ill. You don't want a re-start and a relapse.

We in the 1st inning of understanding this virus. China is fearful they are seeing a secondary spike because of the asymptomatic people now being identified, particularly with Hubei opening. We are still miles behind that, only testing a small % of people who are already visibly sick, not to mention the virus was ripping around for probably 3 months.

No, it's not 6.4M deaths. Not everyone will get it. Stop with the hysteria and fear mongering.

The policies now in place are literally snuffing it out, much like snuffing out a fire by depriving it of oxygen. We are depriving the virus of hosts and it will burn out on its own within this country if the policies are kept in place for another 2-3 weeks. People who have it will be isolated and treated, people who don't have it will be relatively safe. It just doesn't reappear out of thin air, it would have to be brought in from somewhere else. That would be my biggest concern and something that needs to be discussed. I would be very cautious about opening up international travel and if I did, I'd have the strongest possible screening at every airport.
 
No, it's not 6.4M deaths. Not everyone will get it. Stop with the hysteria and fear mongering.

The policies now in place are literally snuffing it out, much like snuffing out a fire by depriving it of oxygen. We are depriving the virus of hosts and it will burn out on its own within this country if the policies are kept in place for another 2-3 weeks. People who have it will be isolated and treated, people who don't have it will be relatively safe. It just doesn't reappear out of thin air, it would have to be brought in from somewhere else. That would be my biggest concern and something that needs to be discussed. I would be very cautious about opening up international travel and if I did, I'd have the strongest possible screening at every airport.
Ok what if unionized labor all doesnt wanna participate what if players have wives that are due to give birth what if players have parents that are suffering from other terminal ailments are they just gonna stay in a bubble and not be human?
 
No, it's not 6.4M deaths. Not everyone will get it. Stop with the hysteria and fear mongering.

The policies now in place are literally snuffing it out, much like snuffing out a fire by depriving it of oxygen. We are depriving the virus of hosts and it will burn out on its own within this country if the policies are kept in place for another 2-3 weeks. People who have it will be isolated and treated, people who don't have it will be relatively safe. It just doesn't reappear out of thin air, it would have to be brought in from somewhere else. That would be my biggest concern and something that needs to be discussed. I would be very cautious about opening up international travel and if I did, I'd have the strongest possible screening at every airport.

It's not fear mongering. It's science. We have an unleashed pathogen right now and all the U.S. has done is chased the problem to date because we initially downplayed it for political purposes. It's going to blow past the annual flu numbers when all is said and done, and lap H1N1 by 10.

1. Robust testing (we do not have). We have no idea where it is or where it is still spreading. We only have some meager data from epicenters that is changing daily.

2. Nationwide lockdown without any interaction (we do not have) for at least 1 month. We have not done that. Those hosts are still out there roaming around. It was like pulling teeth for certain states to shutdown. 12 still haven't at all. All you need is one person.

3. There are millions of people out there who have no idea they have an underlying medical issue that this could potentially trigger since it is a new pathogen.

Even with #1-3 all you do is freeze the pathogen. It's not burning out because it's a global pandemic. There's no way you could restrict the flow of people. Nobody did that better than China and they are having a re-emergence.

The economic activity that everyone is fearful of losing will pop right back. It's not like we're the only ones shutdown.
 
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Ok what if unionized labor all doesnt wanna participate what if players have wives that are due to give birth what if players have parents that are suffering from other terminal ailments are they just gonna stay in a bubble and not be human?

What?
 
You want the sport back...say the union agrees with owners on parameters but not all the union members feel safe about doing it or it comes with being sequestered for above reasons i gave?
 
2. Nationwide lockdown without any interaction (we do not have) for at least 1 month. We have not down that. Those hosts are still out there roaming around.

The country is locked down. 42/50 states have chosen to destroy their economies because of this. A very difficult decision I'm sure, but I don't like how they all got in line like sheep after the first few states gave them cover.

Even states that aren't officially locked down have measures in place, such as Nebraska, where gatherings are banned. What works in New York City doesn't work in Lincoln, NE, and vice versa. Let the states make their own decisions. I can assure you that eight rural states not locking down won't have a major impact on virus transmission in this country.
 
You want the sport back...say the union agrees with owners on parameters but not all the union members feel safe about doing it or it comes with being sequestered for above reasons i gave?

Then the league and the unions can hash that out. Not my problem.
 
Where are you getting sugar? I only get high fructose corn syrup. I would kill for some sugar products again!
I would be more concerned about the food industry that’s harming 100%. They just kill us with a few grams of sugar every day.
 
The high end stuff. Only the rich can afford real sugar. My Barq's and Mug are killing me and the peons.

Sidenote, Mexican Coke has real sugar. In Mexico it is inexpensive, but when shipped here, it is very pricey per bottle.





Stewart’s root beer.
 
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The country is locked down. 42/50 states have chosen to destroy their economies because of this. A very difficult decision I'm sure, but I don't like how they all got in line like sheep after the first few states gave them cover.

Even states that aren't officially locked down have measures in place, such as Nebraska, where gatherings are banned. What works in New York City doesn't work in Lincoln, NE, and vice versa. Let the states make their own decisions. I can assure you that eight rural states not locking down won't have a major impact on virus transmission in this country.

They are making their own decisions. People in this country like yourself and many others do not want a Federal response to address this, so we haven't had it. And it will cost us time. You'll see. Unfortunately this is something we have to deal with as an aggregate. A rare time where even Libertarians need Federal guidelines for our country.

Those areas are already seeded. I hope they control it themselves and it evaporates, but unlikely. Once the travel re-opens (as needed to start the economy), we'll go another few rounds with this start-stop since we only want to deal with this regionally despite it having seeded every state.

Should've bitten the bullet with a full Federal lockdown for 45 days. We'd already be halfway through it.
 
The country is locked down. 42/50 states have chosen to destroy their economies because of this. A very difficult decision I'm sure, but I don't like how they all got in line like sheep after the first few states gave them cover.

Even states that aren't officially locked down have measures in place, such as Nebraska, where gatherings are banned. What works in New York City doesn't work in Lincoln, NE, and vice versa. Let the states make their own decisions. I can assure you that eight rural states not locking down won't have a major impact on virus transmission in this country.
"Chosen to destroy their economies" is a hell of a phrase...next cuomo newsom or murphy presser should just loop drago in rocky iv, if he dies, he dies
 
They are making their own decisions. People in this country like yourself and many others do not want a Federal response to address this, so we haven't had it. And it will cost us time. You'll see. Unfortunately this is something we have to deal with as an aggregate. A rare time where even Libertarians need Federal guidelines for our country.

Those areas are already seeded. I hope they control it themselves and it evaporates, but unlikely. Once the travel re-opens (as needed to start the economy), we'll go another few rounds with this start-stop since we only want to deal with this regionally despite it having seeded every state.

Should've bitten the bullet with a full Federal lockdown for 45 days. We'd already be halfway through it.

That is fundamentally un-American. You can't do what China did here, we are not an authoritarian nation (thankfully).

Imagine if we had a real crisis in this country with a disease, like smallpox or ebola, where a national lockdown WOULD be necessary? Whoa boy.
 
That takes leadership.

We don't have that. Just some guy that wants his hydrochloroquine stock price to go up so he can make more money.

Sad part, is the President could have gotten a wall out of this, if he played his cards right.

We need to keep these diseases away from Americans from those coming in to this country.......

He blew it.


Should've bitten the bullet with a full Federal lockdown for 45 days. We'd already be halfway through it.
 
"Chosen to destroy their economies" is a hell of a phrase...next cuomo newsom or murphy presser should just loop drago in rocky iv, if he dies, he dies

Yes, that's effectively what they've done. It will ruin the lives of many more people than would have died from the virus.
 
No, it's not 6.4M deaths. Not everyone will get it. Stop with the hysteria and fear mongering.

The policies now in place are literally snuffing it out, much like snuffing out a fire by depriving it of oxygen. We are depriving the virus of hosts and it will burn out on its own within this country if the policies are kept in place for another 2-3 weeks. People who have it will be isolated and treated, people who don't have it will be relatively safe. It just doesn't reappear out of thin air, it would have to be brought in from somewhere else. That would be my biggest concern and something that needs to be discussed. I would be very cautious about opening up international travel and if I did, I'd have the strongest possible screening at every airport.

You're right, I'm wrong. It's not 6.4, it would be 4.6 based on the numbers I was working off: 70% infection rate as worst-case, uncontrolled (the current high range of the hospital projections in such an event), with 2% mortality rate (not to mention the % sick, which is more costly.
 
That takes leadership.

We don't have that. Just some guy that wants his hydrochloroquine stock price to go up so he can make more money.

Sad part, is the President could have gotten a wall out of this, if he played his cards right.

We need to keep these diseases away from Americans from those coming in to this country.......

He blew it.

I can't blame him for this. Start with the Chinese.

Did Trump play politics with it and give everyone a fall sense of security? Sure he did. He planted the seeds of everyone thinking it was overblown. His comments will look worse and worse as time passes. He'll have to atone for them or he'll be out.

But to me, that's beside the point. I don't care why any political types say, I care about the doctors and the science. Right now we have a new virus to deal with that is not comparable to H1N1 or Ebola or these other things the political animals want to point to.
 
You're right, I'm wrong. It's not 6.4, it would be 4.6 based on the numbers I was working off: 70% infection rate as worst-case, uncontrolled (the current high range of the hospital projections in such an event), with 2% mortality rate (not to mention the % sick, which is more costly.

70% would not happen. I'd say closer to 30-40% in a worst case.
 
I can't blame him for this. Start with the Chinese.

Did Trump play politics with it and give everyone a fall sense of security? Sure he did. He planted the seeds of everyone thinking it was overblown. His comments will look worse and worse as time passes. He'll have to atone for them or he'll be out.

But to me, that's beside the point. I don't care why any political types say, I care about the doctors and the science. Right now we have a new virus to deal with that is not comparable to H1N1 or Ebola or these other things the political animals want to point to.

Thank God it isn't comparable to Ebola. But if you watch the media coverage of it, they make people think it is. That does a lot of damage itself.
 
OK, this has morphed way beyond just sports. In 1/2 hour I will be moving this to Off the Ship unless we get back to baseball.
 
Well I'm looking forward to baseball season. I hope they can start it as soon as possible.
 
Would be nice to have baseball but you can't have the traveling. Imagine what you'd have to do?

1. You'd need testing for anyone who comes and goes to the stadium.
2. You'd have to segregate those positive but asympotmatic, then re-test them in 14+ days.
3. Then those who do not have it essentially live a QTN life anyway so they do not get infected and spread it.
 
They probably would be able to play baseball if we had testing. You weed out those who do not having against those who are positive, but asymptomatic.

Then those who are negative essentially live a QTN life anyway so they do not get infected and spread it.
What happens if a player plays a game today and tomorrow that player tests positive? Do both teams and umpires that were involved in that game have to quarantine for 2 weeks for being exposed to that player?
 
What happens if a player plays a game today and tomorrow that player tests positive? Do both teams and umpires that were involved in that game have to quarantine for 2 weeks for being exposed to that player?

So many questions that you probably won't be able to try anything until there is a proven treatment out there, available in abundance.
 
Trump decision to limit China travel in January saved countless lives.Even sleepy Joe Biden
who called the move racists and xenophobic admitted recently Trump made the right move.
I wonder how many dems will now agree America first not a bad idea when it comes to
medical supplies and drugs production. Honeywell and 3 M prohibited by Chinese government
from exporting masks PPE etc. starting in December from their plants in China then China
bought tons of this material from other countries to get massive stockpile so they would be protected.
Chinese government liars who want to take over the world.Our top China expert says Trump first
president China feared.They want Biden badly to win.Who knows if this influenced their decision
to leave US and rest of world high and dry with their supply moves on Coronavirus.Biden said last
month he still believes it is bizarre to consider China a serious competitor to the US.Even comedian
and democrat Joe Rogan said it would be moronic to vote for Biden and 2 million plus hits on his statement.
 
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Another important element lost in the hysteria and turf war between naysayers and alarmists is identifying those with the antibodies.
 
Another important element lost in the hysteria and turf war between naysayers and alarmists is identifying those with the antibodies.

That will be the most important thing moving forward. That's how you contain it.
 
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