Potential Sha Replacements
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How about we try giving Sha the support he needs and deserves?
OK, I’ll throw some suggestions out
Grant B and Donald Copeland, for obvious reasons. Let’s not forget Level Sanders, too.
Don’t think NBA coaches without college experience work well, but I’ll also toss out Mark Bryant and Adrian Griffin for sake of discussion.
Could go back to Iona pipeline with Tobin Anderson.
Jersey Guy Andy Toole has struggled since Robert Morris changed conferences but perhaps worth a look.
Grant B and Donald Copeland, for obvious reasons. Let’s not forget Level Sanders, too.
Don’t think NBA coaches without college experience work well, but I’ll also toss out Mark Bryant and Adrian Griffin for sake of discussion.
Could go back to Iona pipeline with Tobin Anderson.
Jersey Guy Andy Toole has struggled since Robert Morris changed conferences but perhaps worth a look.
This season is toast...3/4 of this roster won't be back.
He gets next season
He gets next season
Total nonsense! Fair weather fans at their best complaining! Sha should have at least 5-6 years here before any thoughts of moving on.
No that is perpetual loser mentality...people knew the system was coming...change or die and as for sha he chose to pick and give nil to what you see now
People trying to prove how dumb they are!! And doing a good job. Stop !
Seems like people are upset at sha and his organizational performance as much as the play of the roster to date
What needs to happen first and foremost is what help Shaheen needs in terms of roster retention and ongoing approach to HS recruitment and use of portal. If we do indeed need a GM type; how do you hire and compensate the right person.
As for Felt and Lyons i think these guys made a huge mistake proceeding with spending $40M+ on the Practice facility before realizing that a NIL collective needed to get appropriately funded. Water now under the bridge. Get that facility built and then figure out ASAP how you are going to be able to compete in this new era of Student Athlete compensation. This needs to get done.
As for Felt and Lyons i think these guys made a huge mistake proceeding with spending $40M+ on the Practice facility before realizing that a NIL collective needed to get appropriately funded. Water now under the bridge. Get that facility built and then figure out ASAP how you are going to be able to compete in this new era of Student Athlete compensation. This needs to get done.
Yup sha gets at least 5-6 years. This program needs to adjust fast to NIL. Im backing shaheen. It just worries me how many players are so bad this year in basic fundamentals and understanding the game. Its time to go with the best scorers and see what happens. Jahseem, coleman, jenkins, middleton and pick a big. Run them 30-35 min like last season
He gets 5-6 years because we foolishly fell for the Louisville rumors and gave him a raise and contract extension. He’s treading in Ewing territory. Maybe that means he wins the BET and saves his job HA!
Gohall129. He thinks he knows it all.
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How many times does this have to be repeated. The funding including bonds were committed to well before NIL came about. Construction was already commencing. Please get your facts straight. But yes, now that the facility is ready to open, NIL is where all the emphasis must go.
Yes, people did know this was going and Seton Hall, in typical fashion, dragged their ass! Instead of jumping on things they were happy to sit idly by and watch everyone pass them. That’s not Shaheen’s fault, that is the fault of the administration who continues to want to make you believe that their efforts on NIL where everything you could ever imagine and that we aren’t behind!
Like everything else, the practice facility was very long overdue! We needed the practice facility no matter what.
so you think past SHU players who have never even sniffed tournament wins would be better? shows you the logic by everyone in this camp.
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Beyond Coach Sha being underrated or overrated, people forget something important about his track record (and it is a track record at this point):
He wins tournament games. So many coaches build good programs, have good regular seasons, but aren't good tournament coaches. College basketball is really ultimately about NCAA Tournament wins, not regular season success / program building generally.
This sounds straightforward but in international leagues (soccer), "success" is winning the league and the "cup" is minor. The equivalent would be winning the Big East regular season is much more important than winning the NCAA Tournament or Big East tournament.
To be able to gameplan for opponents in two days, to keep your guys focused, that's a skillset many of the best program builders don't have.
Coach Sha has done it in two ways:
1. As the underdog, with St. Peter's (btw - not just the NCAA but also the conference tournament)
2. As the favorite, with Seton Hall in the NIT. Being the better team is a different ballgame / requires different gameplan skills than being the underdog
Obviously most people in this thread are rightly laughing at any suggestions of another coach coming in, but I'd also suggest not undervaluing that he's a good tourney coach, because a lot of really good program builders just don't have the skillset for tourney situations.
He wins tournament games. So many coaches build good programs, have good regular seasons, but aren't good tournament coaches. College basketball is really ultimately about NCAA Tournament wins, not regular season success / program building generally.
This sounds straightforward but in international leagues (soccer), "success" is winning the league and the "cup" is minor. The equivalent would be winning the Big East regular season is much more important than winning the NCAA Tournament or Big East tournament.
To be able to gameplan for opponents in two days, to keep your guys focused, that's a skillset many of the best program builders don't have.
Coach Sha has done it in two ways:
1. As the underdog, with St. Peter's (btw - not just the NCAA but also the conference tournament)
2. As the favorite, with Seton Hall in the NIT. Being the better team is a different ballgame / requires different gameplan skills than being the underdog
Obviously most people in this thread are rightly laughing at any suggestions of another coach coming in, but I'd also suggest not undervaluing that he's a good tourney coach, because a lot of really good program builders just don't have the skillset for tourney situations.
You’re forgetting how poorly his teams have performed in the Big East Tournament. Specifically last year when we absolutely needed to beat St. John’s and got run out of the building. His team didn’t show up from the opening tip and was never really in it. And of course the year prior when he lost to DePaul.
Never said they’d be better. Just throwing out options. That said—Hard to be worse!
So the answer is just throw a bunch of shit against the wall? Sounds really productive.
How about Sha does something, anything positive to earn his huge salary:?
Willingly accepting this incompetence and embarrassment isn’t productive either. But he’s one of ours and that will buy him time. At least he has NIL to blame. I’m actually worried about Sha if he gets to mess around with an average budget and if it doesn’t work out. Sort of like last year when he had a really good team due to transfer sit-out fears and squandered a golden opportunity. There may be no coming back from that and then this. But sure, let’s keep trusting this guy to bring us to the promise land because the media says he’s really good, has no NIL, and brought little ol’ St. Peter’s to an Elite Eight.
His contract has bought him plenty of time; he isn't going anywhere unless he chooses to leave of his own accord. Where is the money going to come from to absorb the unpaid remainder of his salary PLUS what it would take to convince any decent coach worth their salt to inherit this train wreck of a program?
Please stop with this nonsense. First season a winning record despite losing key guys to injury down the stretch. Last year 25 wins including 13 in the BE finishing in 4th place. That’s incompetence? This year is really bad but he will adjust. But nothing matters if SHU doesn’t have a competitive NIL.
Yea we got duped into extending his contract and giving him a raise because of the Louisville nonsense. The school once again messed up and rewarded a guy for doing absolutely nothing, unless you consider an NIT title something. I don’t, but many do, including SHU apparently. Sha is here for a while, for better or for worse. He would have to approach Patrick Ewing incompetence for the school to make a move and even then I don’t know if they’re ever going to be willing to eat that contract. I hope this is a one off but from what I’ve seen so far, I don’t have much hope.
Holloway's SHU coaching career has almost perfectly tracked Willard's. Two top 60 kenpom seasons, followed by an unmitigated disaster in year 3 with a full roster of his own recruits. We gave Willard - a guy who was universally known to be aiming higher than SHU - six years to figure things out. Everyone, including me, was certain that Willard could not coach at the Big East level after year 5. Most were certain after years 3 and 4. Yet, we gave him the time and it turned out to be correct.
We will be giving Holloway - a potential SHU lifer - at least that much time, if not more, assuming he does not leave on his own.
We will be giving Holloway - a potential SHU lifer - at least that much time, if not more, assuming he does not leave on his own.
Lots of new coaches win with the previous coach’s players. All Big East player Kadary Richmond may have had something to do with the winning. Although does it count as winning if he didn’t get to the tournament? He had a really solid roster last year and failed to make it to the dance. He took a program on solid footing and absolutely torched it. I am absolutely rooting for him to fix this mess but my hopes are not high.
Sha won’t and shouldn’t go anywhere for at least 2 more season (post this one)
1. I don’t think we could remotely buy him out AND bring someone in
2. He deserves 4-5 full years at a school like ours
3. He would absolutely destroy us behind the scenes to any one who will listen how he wasn’t given resources or support and torpedo our already bad name within the inside industry
I obviously liked KW and said he would be missed (despite his faults) because of the job he did at our school (incredibly hard job) and I called many of the problems Sha would have (almost exactly if I may say) but our best shot is him having success..he has to figure it out
Hopefully he can bring in SOMEONE who knows 2% about offense
1. I don’t think we could remotely buy him out AND bring someone in
2. He deserves 4-5 full years at a school like ours
3. He would absolutely destroy us behind the scenes to any one who will listen how he wasn’t given resources or support and torpedo our already bad name within the inside industry
I obviously liked KW and said he would be missed (despite his faults) because of the job he did at our school (incredibly hard job) and I called many of the problems Sha would have (almost exactly if I may say) but our best shot is him having success..he has to figure it out
Hopefully he can bring in SOMEONE who knows 2% about offense
We finished 4th in the BE and because of bid stealers we were snubbed by NCAA selection committtee. Several HOF coaches and many analysts said we deserved to be in the NCAASs.
This season is a big disappointment- just like GT, Nova and Xavier were last year. I will never count Sha out. Not at all happy with his player selection and handling of this roster. His obsession with going 10 deep has got to stop unless he's going to press more to mix things up.
All we can do is support the team and coach and hope things improves. Hey, remember the year GT won the BE tourney after that awful winless or 1-win BE season?
