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This senator says its the party of hard-working, blue collar men and women....but this is the party that is against minimum wage increases...

 
I don't think they're against minimum wage increases. Just against going to $15 from $7.25. More than doubling it is crazy. I'd support a 50% increase to roughly $11, but $15 is kinda nuts.

I do think the minimum wage should always be tied to inflation and cost of living adjustments, but in the end the onus is on people themselves. If you're not happy with what you make, educate yourself, improve your skills or find an employer who will pay you what you want.
 
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I don't think they're against minimum wage increases. Just against going to $15 from $7.25. More than doubling it is crazy. I'd support a 50% increase to roughly $11, but $15 is kinda nuts.

I do think the minimum wage should always be tied to inflation and cost of living adjustments, but in the end the onus is on people themselves. If you're not happy with what you make, educate yourself, improve your skills or find an employer who will pay you what you want.
I think it should be tied to region (careful not to say state). $15/hr can’t get you crap in the Northeast. Same wage in the Midwest is living quite well. I spoke with someone on the West Virginia/Ohio border about finances. When talking about real estate and expenses, you just cannot fathom the differences.
 
I don't think it's a one size fits all.

It should also be a tied to age and perhaps whether you have dependents or not or years of work.

A high school or college kid might get paid 10 bucks an hour but if you're 24 years old supporting a wife and if worked for 3 years they should require a higher minimum wage.
 
I think it should be tied to region (careful not to say state). $15/hr can’t get you crap in the Northeast. Same wage in the Midwest is living quite well. I spoke with someone on the West Virginia/Ohio border about finances. When talking about real estate and expenses, you just cannot fathom the differences.

This is true, good point.
 
I don't think it's a one size fits all.

It should also be a tied to age and perhaps whether you have dependents or not or years of work.

A high school or college kid might get paid 10 bucks an hour but if you're 24 years old supporting a wife and if worked for 3 years they should require a higher minimum wage.

Also an interesting idea but sounds too complicated for the government to figure out.
 
I think it should be tied to region (careful not to say state). $15/hr can’t get you crap in the Northeast. Same wage in the Midwest is living quite well. I spoke with someone on the West Virginia/Ohio border about finances. When talking about real estate and expenses, you just cannot fathom the differences.

agree on this once they adjust wage taxes for the same reason.
 
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and what do you do when McDonalds, IHOP’s, Applebee’s, Chili’s say more kiosks, less workers besides tell the states to have enough ink to print the unemployment checks. Once those companies do it, the local restaurants will too. As kiosks never show up late, never call out sick, etc.
 
and what do you do when McDonalds, IHOP’s, Applebee’s, Chili’s say more kiosks, less workers besides tell the states to have enough ink to print the unemployment checks. Once those companies do it, the local restaurants will too. As kiosks never show up late, never call out sick, etc.
That’s gonna happen no matter what the min wage is. If the min goes up it will just expedite the process.
 
That’s gonna happen no matter what the min wage is. If the min goes up it will just expedite the process.
If we agree a big segment of workers will be obsolete soon I think it’s important the politicians make it easier for them to get another job not make it more difficult for employers to hire.
 
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If we agree a big segment of workers will be obsolete soon I think it’s important the politicians make it easier for them to get another job not make it more difficult for employers to hire.
They will just get redeployed to other jobs like distribution and fulfillment. There will still be the need for restaurant and landscaping jobs. Consumer will pay more.
 
I am not in favor of a $15 minimum wage. That is too high and that will kill a lot of small business owners. Nationally, it should be raised to $10 ot $11. While I understand companies like Walmart should probably pay $15 and hour. The big corporations are the ones that will circumvent it bu going more automation and less jobs. Meanwhile, the small mom and pop store suffers with it. Either way costs have to be passed on to the consumer.

This is minimum wage for low skill jobs. Jobs that high school kids can do.
 
I am not in favor of a $15 minimum wage. That is too high and that will kill a lot of small business owners. Nationally, it should be raised to $10 ot $11. While I understand companies like Walmart should probably pay $15 and hour. The big corporations are the ones that will circumvent it bu going more automation and less jobs. Meanwhile, the small mom and pop store suffers with it. Either way costs have to be passed on to the consumer.

This is minimum wage for low skill jobs. Jobs that high school kids can do.

We all agree I think.
But it’s a negotiation. Dems pushing to 15 might get us to 10 or 11 and tied to inflation which is probably where we should be.
 
We all agree I think.
But it’s a negotiation. Dems pushing to 15 might get us to 10 or 11 and tied to inflation which is probably where we should be.
Let’s hope so...as we’ve seen, negotiations have left the building over the past 20/25 years.
 
They will just get redeployed to other jobs like distribution and fulfillment. There will still be the need for restaurant and landscaping jobs. Consumer will pay more.
I don't know if waiters or waitresses will get redeployed within the restaurant business. Most places have enough food runners/bus boys as is to do what is needed. Landscaping will be interesting as that tends to be a field where you find a lot of people without SSN's working. I think you'll see a lot more self checkout at grocery stores. Major question long term will be surrounding how many jobs will technology take? I think companies are going to need some healthy tax credits to give incentives for businesses to pay people these increased wages.
 
I am not in favor of a $15 minimum wage. That is too high and that will kill a lot of small business owners. Nationally, it should be raised to $10 ot $11. While I understand companies like Walmart should probably pay $15 and hour. The big corporations are the ones that will circumvent it bu going more automation and less jobs. Meanwhile, the small mom and pop store suffers with it. Either way costs have to be passed on to the consumer.

This is minimum wage for low skill jobs. Jobs that high school kids can do.


 
I don't know if waiters or waitresses will get redeployed within the restaurant business. Most places have enough food runners/bus boys as is to do what is needed. Landscaping will be interesting as that tends to be a field where you find a lot of people without SSN's working. I think you'll see a lot more self checkout at grocery stores. Major question long term will be surrounding how many jobs will technology take? I think companies are going to need some healthy tax credits to give incentives for businesses to pay people these increased wages.
Or revenues generated can be more equally divided to the blue collar class of the company, does a ceo need a 20 mil bonus at large business entities?

If a technology came to the market that eliminated human need to cut grass landscaping would fall off...a robot machine that could scan terrain of a property....who is a landscape tech typically younger high school or college age adults and landscape companies seek out these types or even unauthorized workers for the fact of offering lower wage...again just like anything else in the consumer service industry you pay for what you get....
 
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Let’s hope so...as we’ve seen, negotiations have left the building over the past 20/25 years.
Mininum wage was created late 30s at .25 an hour in close to 100 years its gone up 7 dollars....i say a federal min wage should at least be 11.50 to 12....its the volume of people on minimum wage thats an issue its the floor of the unwanted roles that have no care and value to those higher on the economic ecosystem...minimum wage should be for high school, college students, a 2nd income in a home after kids are in school or for those who retired from a full career and seek to have a little bit of supplement beyond their ss, 401/pension/annuity...it is not designed for mid 20s to early 50s people who lost their career and/or can not get a job in their career because employers assume they expect x wage and wont even hire them
 

No discussion of workers losing their jobs or the effects of rising consumer prices?
 
No discussion of workers losing their jobs or the effects of rising consumer prices?
This was an epi published item from end of jan....
Btw speaking of workers losing job, i know of multiple well to do companies that could have paused year end bonuses for FY 20 and implemented salary reduction across all levels of employment, instead furloughs and cuts, furloughs because fed gov was handing out 600 on top of local state unemployment per week....

Locally SNY blew out 25 FTE the Friday of memorial day weekend, they are having bonuses and promotions in the next two weeks

What are people getting promoted on? Efficient in WFH climate, assimilated well to zoom?

Bonuses, your business determined 25 folks were no longer needed and now the top dogs who have been on a home laptop since last March are getting bonsues.
 
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No discussion of workers losing their jobs or the effects of rising consumer prices?
Also no discusssion how the current person making $15 per hour is making double minimum wage in some states. That worker will likely get no wage increase but will have to deal those rising prices making their standard of living worse. There is a constant focus on people who benefit but never a look at the full picture.
 
I’m not defending Walmart, but I’m not going to take what someone on Twitter posts as fact either. What’s the mix of FT/PT employees? Where is he getting his food stamp data? What’s preventing that Walmart worker from going to work for Costco when there are openings?
Also need to factor in total Comp. For instance we have a generous healthcare plan....90/95% employer funded with low deductibles and out-of-pocket, even though we pay slightly below market. For unskilled workers, they can (and do quite often) move transiently based on their home situation.
 
I’m not defending Walmart, but I’m not going to take what someone on Twitter posts as fact either. What’s the mix of FT/PT employees? Where is he getting his food stamp data? What’s preventing that Walmart worker from going to work for Costco when there are openings?
Also need to factor in total Comp. For instance we have a generous healthcare plan....90/95% employer funded with low deductibles and out-of-pocket, even though we pay slightly below market. For unskilled workers, they can (and do quite often) move transiently based on their home situation.
Yes i would like to see defined numbers too but i would suspect walmart is like home depot, finite amount of fte hourly head count by department and then a bunch of hourly part timers to fill in the gaps...while @HALL85 and I are opposing view points, I dont deny your professional accomplishment with your organization and industry space and would understand that the healthcare coverage to workforce is upper tier compared to median employer/employee benefits
 
Let's be fair and not throw left or right into this....suppose you are a legally immigrated couple in NYC both making 15 an hour, 62,400 gross married couple income...unless you live in a closet and barely eat

Let's be fair??? You only looked at NYC. How is that fair? Let's look at Fort Wayne Indiana where I have friends and family. Beautiful nice sized houses under $200k. Real Estate taxes under 1500. There's a lot of families with 1 working parent and the other living home raising kids doing ok at $50k per year. Let's be fair and only look at NYC, what a joke that is.
 
Let's be fair??? You only looked at NYC. How is that fair? Let's look at Fort Wayne Indiana where I have friends and family. Beautiful nice sized houses under $200k. Real Estate taxes under 1500. There's a lot of families with 1 working parent and the other living home raising kids doing ok at $50k per year. Let's be fair and only look at NYC, what a joke that is.
Nyc is gonna be one of the top 5 areas of cost of living...everything will be give and take...gas in other areas more expensive...certain foods and other things more expensive elsewhere....

Example, i have been in costcos in LA area, Chapel Hill NC area, Jacksonville, FL area and in NJ same products range in price difference 6 to 14 dollars...

Down south engine oil and engine additives more pricey than NJ....I have been in a Publix in Florida cost of fresh squeezed OJ more expensive per container than NJ....

I dont deny that value of money can go further for specific costs in midwest suburban areas
 
and what do you do when McDonalds, IHOP’s, Applebee’s, Chili’s say more kiosks, less workers besides tell the states to have enough ink to print the unemployment checks. Once those companies do it, the local restaurants will too. As kiosks never show up late, never call out sick, etc.

For thousands of years, advances in machinery, engineering, technology, etc., have eliminated jobs. While disruptive for the people whose job is eliminated, it is good for the world overall.

Many white collar jobs are at risk due to RPI. Kisoks and app based self service will continue to grow.

While checking into the airport last week, I noticed the kiosk check-in has now expanded to include printing luggage tags. They are slowly whittling away at the counter jobs at the check in.
 
For thousands of years, advances in machinery, engineering, technology, etc., have eliminated jobs. While disruptive for the people whose job is eliminated, it is good for the world overall.

Many white collar jobs are at risk due to RPI. Kisoks and app based self service will continue to grow.

While checking into the airport last week, I noticed the kiosk check-in has now expanded to include printing luggage tags. They are slowly whittling away at the counter jobs at the check in.
I think most of this will happen all at once with the increase of minimum wage. This is more product of government action than at any time in history. I could be wrong with that, but I don't think I am, and that is a major difference in my opinion. To be fair most of those restaurants currently have kiosks in them and still have waiters and waitresses. They could do it now if they wanted to. I don't think it will be major coincidence that so many places pull the trigger and move in that direction the moment $15 min wage happens.
 
For thousands of years, advances in machinery, engineering, technology, etc., have eliminated jobs. While disruptive for the people whose job is eliminated, it is good for the world overall.

Many white collar jobs are at risk due to RPI. Kisoks and app based self service will continue to grow.

While checking into the airport last week, I noticed the kiosk check-in has now expanded to include printing luggage tags. They are slowly whittling away at the counter jobs at the check in.
Had a new experience at Newark Airport last week. Wanted to grab a couple of water bottles and fruit at a convenience store. You use your credit card to enter, grab what you need and walk through a turnstile. No labor, no scanning, no checking out. Just anything you walk out with gets registered by RFID.
 
Nyc is gonna be one of the top 5 areas of cost of living...everything will be give and take...gas in other areas more expensive...certain foods and other things more expensive elsewhere....

Example, i have been in costcos in LA area, Chapel Hill NC area, Jacksonville, FL area and in NJ same products range in price difference 6 to 14 dollars...

Down south engine oil and engine additives more pricey than NJ....I have been in a Publix in Florida cost of fresh squeezed OJ more expensive per container than NJ....

I dont deny that value of money can go further for specific costs in midwest suburban areas
The big piece you’re missing is housing. Had dinner with a couple (old grammar school friend of my wife), who live in North Naples, FL. ....a pretty nice area. Their property taxes are $1,900 a year!
 
I think most of this will happen all at once with the increase of minimum wage. This is more product of government action than at any time in history. I could be wrong with that, but I don't think I am, and that is a major difference in my opinion. To be fair most of those restaurants currently have kiosks in them and still have waiters and waitresses. They could do it now if they wanted to. I don't think it will be major coincidence that so many places pull the trigger and move in that direction the moment $15 min wage happens.
Chain restaurants ok but small mom and pop places outside of being integrated with door dash or other food delivery services have some type of administrative app on a tablet or ipad that shows the other end of something like open table so that the host area knows amount of pre booked parties to tables etc to help balance walk ins...not every place as room or staff to seat 200 plus at once
 
The big piece you’re missing is housing. Had dinner with a couple (old grammar school friend of my wife), who live in North Naples, FL. ....a pretty nice area. Their property taxes are $1,900 a year!
Sure why are there so many retirees to florida, no state income tax, lower property taxes

 
i really wonder why more people dont go live in florida. not state income tax?

gotta be some drawbacks tho
 
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