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MLB’s newfound anthem kneeling needs to lead to a permanent shift in message

By BRADFORD WILLIAM DAVIS
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |

Major League Baseball, a business too busy valorizing sepia-toned history to participate in a meaningful discussion on racial injustice, is undergoing the delicate task of engaging an audience and workforce jolted by the police killing of George Floyd. A wide and multi-racial crosssection of league personnel and supporters are finally entertaining the possibility that all these viral videos and hashtags weren’t isolated flare-ups, but depict the ever-present danger for huge swaths of the country.

Reminding people that Jackie Robinson used to work here is suddenly insufficient. Anti-racism must, somehow, become part of the brand without dismantling the business.

With that in mind: Players and coaches across baseball, white and Black, are kneeling on the third rail just as it began losing its charge. Since Monday night, Colin Kaepernick’s famous national anthem kneel has been modeled across baselines in San Francisco, Cincinnati and Anaheim. Aaron Judge, the league’s most prominent Black player, says the Yankees are discussing a demonstration when they play the Nationals on Opening Day Thursday night in Washington D.C.

“We’ll definitely discuss it going into Thursday,” Judge said Tuesday. “And what I thought of [MLB players kneeling]? That’s the beauty of America. It’s freedom of speech and freedom to express yourself. We’ve got a special platform being athletes, and being able to speak our mind and speak what’s going on in this world.”

The acts themselves are notable, but just as significant was the endorsement of the league, revealed through their social media platform — replete with Twitter’s #blacklivesmatter hashtag — despite the minor revolt from an audience the league had cultivated.


MLB appeared to defend the protest, but in truth disarmed it. Replying to the minor revolt of fans betrayed by their favorite sport becoming too political, the league replied: “Supporting human rights is not political.” To other frustrated fans bothered by their actions, they said the demonstration “has never been about the military or the flag. The players and coaches are using their platforms to peacefully protest.” (Protest what exactly? Well that’s for you to decide.)

Detaching race from the grime and gore of politics is comforting for two groups of people: those who believe they have nothing to gain (and everything to lose) from political action, and first graders.

“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color,” said Kaepernick back in 2016. “To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”

Kaepernick’s demonstration was undergirded by the inherent dignity of Black people — which obviously transcends any man-made political struggle — but his action also subverted a state-sanctioned status quo. The former Niners quarterback confronted a country failing to live up to its values — or maybe its brand — identified in its foundational political texts and was blackballed for it.

If that’s true, as blind as MLB’s critics are to the opposite side of the coin, daily veneration of the American flag even in stadiums without fans — they were still more honest than the league. Like many of its pro sports contemporaries, baseball hesitates to verbalize exactly how or why George Floyd died.

Can a company support Black lives while opposing tangible measures that benefit Black people, especially those that don’t suit up for them?

A recent Washington Post-ABC News poll found that most Americans say they back the Black Lives Matter movement and even believe that Black people are treated unfairly by the criminal justice system. But the poll also found that most people don’t believe in reducing police budgets for social services. MLB might be more ahead of the curve than I realized.

We’re probably going to see more kneeling around the league in 2020. But many of the players on their knees need more than a gesture for themselves and their communities when they leave the field.

Because, if the once-provocative assertion that Black lives matter and the interconnected protest against the specific violence of policing can become depoliticized, the league can launder the language of “racial injustice” towards any end. Baseball is well acquainted with shuffling positions for a moment to improve their defense before returning everyone back to normal. Our moment requires a permanent shift.
 
Any fans that leave, bye we won't miss you, any money that leaves, bye believe or not you can be replaced as well, c ya...this expression should be apolitcal but all the conservatives will turn it into a left winging liberal contest

Considering you give next to nothing, would you feel the same way if a certain big donor put his money elsewhere?
 
Considering you give next to nothing, would you feel the same way if a certain big donor put his money elsewhere?
Anyone is free to do what they please with their money...donnie love your backseat driving against me on every board. Dont worry about when or how often or what amounts I have donated...
 
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The "students, fans, and alumni" did not do that. Stop talking out of your 4th point of contact for once. I was an undergrad then.
I am saying in general people ran the student athlete back to trieste....was it undergrads or alumnis or fan base only not sure nor do I care, I care about the end result and it was sad to see happen...
 
He is that clueless. He's not thinking of all the future fans in 15-20 years that will never exist because their parents never brought them to games. The guy is certainly not in business/athletic development.
Fanbase what fan base? Shu has had best success in 30 years and cant sell out a lower bowl all the time...most fans are gonna be alumni that attended the school
 
These are silly questions designed to get a rise and nothing more. Hypothetical masturbation. We are all free to move about the cabin and our responses are based on our individual experience in life and not by some anonymous poster. Both my Dad and father-in-law fought in WWII and IMO any dishonoring protest of the flag they fought for is unacceptable. I also am fortunate to spend a lot of time with veterans and my views are certainly shaped by their actions and respect for this country.
 
Anyone is free to do what they please with their money...donnie love your backseat driving against me on every board. Dont worry about when or how often or what amounts I have donated...

Not worried about it at all. It's is clear as day that that it's negligible.
 
You can't be that clueless. Enrollment likely going down. People able to negotiate tuition price. People are in bad economic shape. There are a lot of things going on negatively from a financial perspective. And you're okay with just saying goodbye to conservative fans, at a Catholic institution. That's just brilliant. I can tell you've given much though to the potential loss of donation from the non basketball fan who donates to the school and stops giving if they disagree.
If a non bball fan is willing to pull a volunteer donation to a school that recruits predominantly black athletes for its most marquee sport that says more about that person than any student athlete using a platform for something beyond athletic competition...
 
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I remember alot of people hanging their heads for the anthem during the Vietnam War. Even in Walsh in the 70s.

It does not bother me, but why do we play the anthem before a sporting event? Why is that not bringing politics into sports? Same old shut up and sing crap.

Why not before other entertainment events?

Honoring the vets as we enthusiastically do at every game, that is an exercise that instills a very positive jolt to my spirit....last words to the anthem...play ball...

I think Ari F's idea as posted by 64 is not a bad idea but I think a forced minute of silence in memory of Floyd would bother some people as much or maybe even more than kneeling..
 
Anyone is free to do what they please with their money...donnie love your backseat driving against me on every board. Dont worry about when or how often or what amounts I have donated...

It's too easy, because you are consistently ill-informed. Did you even weigh in on Mike and Mike? The one area where you might know slightly more than the average schmoe.

I remember alot of people hanging their heads for the anthem during the Vietnam War. Even in Walsh in the 70s.

It does not bother me, but why do we play the anthem before a sporting event? Why is that not bringing politics into sports? Same old shut up and sing crap.

Why not before other entertainment events?

I think Ari F's idea as posted by 64 is not a bad idea but I think a forced minute of silence in memory of Floyd would bother some people as much or maybe even more than kneeling..

Agree with this. Given the choice between no anthem and creating a platform for controversy, I'd take the former. That said, we're going to have kneeling, most likely, and I can live with that. I won't kneel, but those who do certainly have the right. I'm in full agreement with the phrase "Black lives matter," but the organization itself is sinister, at best, and I would recommend that @HallLine69 take a closer look at its roots.
 
If a non bball fan is willing to pull a volunteer donation to a school that recruits predominantly black athletes for its most marquee sport that says more about that person than any student athlete using a platform for something beyond athletic competition...

I feel dumb for even responding to this nonsense. That's just idiotic. You're basically saying Seton Hall is a moral school everyone should give money to forever as long as it recruits black athletes to play basketball. Anyone pulling money away from a school with black athletes in its main sport is complete scum. Again I still feel dumb for responding.
 
It's too easy, because you are consistently ill-informed. Did you even weigh in on Mike and Mike? The one area where you might know slightly more than the average schmoe.



Agree with this. Given the choice between no anthem and creating a platform for controversy, I'd take the former. That said, we're going to have kneeling, most likely, and I can live with that. I won't kneel, but those who do certainly have the right. I'm in full agreement with the phrase "Black lives matter," but the organization itself is sinister, at best, and I would recommend that @HallLine69 take a closer look at its roots.
Genuinely curious about the roots you're referring to and what makes BLM "sinister, at best."
 
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Just a hunch, none of the people against kneeling are walking around the arena during the anthem. I could be wrong but that's my hunch. I do hear the people at the bars during the anthem and think its wrong. Generally people at their seats aren't talking, other than some guy yelling hats off to the guy who forgot he was wearing a hat. 100% of the time that person being called out takes their hats off. Never once have I seen a problem.


I did mean walking around post anthem. :)

And your comment about "generally" is in your experience or your perceived experience due to people around you.

I'll concede that potentially a majority of the people do show respect. But, this whole "respecting the anthem" argument is fake patriotism. Just like the guys with the flags waving off the back of their pickups trucks, or neighbors with the flags hanging off their houses. Majority of these people don't even know the rules to properly respect the flag. They just want to "show" how much patriotism runs through the veins.
 
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As most of these threads do this was is being transferred as well.
 
Pj did and pj was supported. He now knows what a big mistake it was I am sure

PJ has expressed regret (recent interview, I think?) about how he handled the situation, but the question was did the players, fans, and students have any negative reactions to Lokar.
 
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So it's OK for some (those you agree with) to express their views but not others (those you don't agree with) and that's American?
I’m not opposed to anyone expressing their opinion; I’m simply expressing my views about their opinion.
 
Fanbase what fan base? Shu has had best success in 30 years and cant sell out a lower bowl all the time...most fans are gonna be alumni that attended the school
So we have a small fan base to begin with which can't fill the lower bowl all of the time and you're content to just see some people go away. Brilliant. We need you in charge of marketing.
 
I personally oppose kneeling for the anthem.
I would not kneel out of respect for those who have served and especially those who lost their lives defending this country.

I don't object to kneeling as a form of protest though. It's a peaceful protest and I don't think I get to choose how others feel they need to protest (as long as it is peaceful)

If there is a group of people telling the rest of the country that they feel marginalized, I will listen and try to understand where they are coming from.

I understand this thread is all theoretical and meant to stir the pot a but, but I mean this in all sincerity. If our team does decide to kneel and any of you here are upset, please reach out to me. I will work with you to contact the university and see if we can set up a dialogue with the team. If you are willing to approach them in good faith and are willing to listen to them I think we can move towards understanding how we (alumni and fans) can help.

I don't want to force the players to stand, but if they have ideas of how I can help restore their faith in the flag which would make them want to stand, then I will help.
 
Read up on their money. It goes through a company called thousand currents. 70% of the money goes to salaries and consultants. I hope people know what they're donating to.
Looking for some confirmation on this. Where can I find evidence of that 70% figure?
 
Genuinely curious about the roots you're referring to and what makes BLM "sinister, at best."
There is a big difference between Black Lives Matter the movement and Black Lives Matter the organization. No problem with the movement but the organization leaves much to be desired. Look into it and you’ll see what I mean.
 
There is a big difference between Black Lives Matter the movement and Black Lives Matter the organization. No problem with the movement but the organization leaves much to be desired. Look into it and you’ll see what I mean.
I'm confused by this. Are you referring to the Black Lives Matter Foundation? If so, it's worth noting that the foundation has no connection to the movement.
 
I am sure some Seton Hall Basketball Players will be kneeling during the National Anthem this year. Lets say they show unity and all the players and coaches kneel......even Coach Willard.

@mspaeth:

My number one question: Why are you sure?

Other questions:

Do you think Willard would take steps to avoid this and suggest they handle it another way if so inclined?

Do you think Willard would want to deal with the ensuing firestorm of questions, meetings, communications, and resources shifted to manage this?

Do you think he will want to guarantee that every interview would have some amount of time dedicated to addressing this?

Do you truly think Willard will join them and take a knee?
 
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Why don’t the players kneel in memory of George Floyd for a minute of silence- fans hushed- and then everyone stand for the anthem.
To me, this adds respect to the life that was wrongly taken, takes the damn politics out of it ,and brings us together as Americans and in our case, Pirate fans.
Go Pirates

It's shouldn't be for George Floyd, it should be for equality, liberty, and justice for all.
 
I read the piece, it points to a factcheck.org article, but doesn't link it, for some reason. I searched on factcheck.org and didn't find any evidence of the 71% number. On charity navigator, it mentions 7.1% of its expenses are administrative. Perhaps this guy made a typo?

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6372
Your link discusses how Thousand Currents uses their money not Black Lives Matter Global Network. They are 2 completely different organizations. BLM just uses Thousand Currents to make their donations tax deductible. BLM on it's own is not a tax deductible organization.
 
I read the piece, it points to a factcheck.org article, but doesn't link it, for some reason. I searched on factcheck.org and didn't find any evidence of the 71% number. On charity navigator, it mentions 7.1% of its expenses are administrative. Perhaps this guy made a typo?

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6372
I found this. I know you will likely dismiss anything coming from Bill O'Reilly. He says the same. He breaks out the 71% at about 2:45 mark. I don't think it was a typo.

 
Don't see much here. A connection to an individual who was tied to some long defunct radical left wing organizations. Pretty sure Patrisse Cullors will not be kidnapping Patty Hearst anytime soon.

They tried the Bill Ayers thing with Barack Obama too and it didn't work.

You can take from it what you want, but the background of the founders is in Marxism, plus or minus ties to former federal prisoners who were essentially treasonous. You probably have seen the coverage of what's going on in Portland and agree that it's "mostly peaceful protestors," too.
 
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