Ranking the Big East coaches
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No surprise that CL 82 "posts" such breaking news about Hurley's coaching prowess. Why not some news on the two new recruits to brighten our day? Why don't you spend more time on your own Boneyard with all the sixth borough wannabe's. Gotta agree with PJ Vegas. The Big 12 bid can't come soon enough.
Lol, you may have missed it, but being Hurley is the reigning national championship coach. He's going to be at the top of a lot of lists for a while.
I pretty much bring anything I see that has a Seton Hall reference over to this board. You are welcome not to read them if you're not interested.
If Pitino is the 5th best coach in the conference the rest of the country is in serious trouble.
Let’s see, have Cooley, English, or Neptune ever been to an Elite 8?
I might not have a problem with Cooley, but English and Neptune ranked higher than Sha? Pitino at 5?
Immediately invalidates the ranking...
Immediately invalidates the ranking...
This list is an insult to jokes everywhere.
The thing I think about Pitino at St. John's is everything in this conference just got harder, especially for our two programs. Winning games, winning the regular season, winning the BET, recruiting the New York metro area, etc. all harder. But all those things makes this a better conference. The big east in its heyday with the coaches conference. Carnesecca, Massimino, Calhoun, Thompson, PJ, Boeheim and, yeah, Rick Pitino. What a murderers row! I feel like we are getting right back there with the list above, regardless of how people choose to rank them.
Kim English above anybody else on this list defies credibility.
Cooley above Sha is fine. Sha had a great run, which he should and has received so much credit for. Cooley has been good consistently in the Big East for years. The other two shouldn't be above Sha. Or, frankly, Matta unless you believe because of his health issues/age he is just way, way past his prime. And Pitino at #5 is bananas.
Cheap shot knocks against CL 82 whose posts are always fair. Of course Hurley is [currently] no. 1. With Jay gone it's a no-brainer. English is an asterisk as should have been Holloway this time last year.
Should be an asterisk. SHU didn’t have their best player while Villanova got theirs back in full swing in the second game.
I would give Neptune the 1 win—and that’s not enough based on rosters and expectations for the whole year.
If we are evaluating coaches over the course of their career, an elite eight run with St. Peter’s outweighs anything Kyle Neptune or Kim English have accomplished to date.
To win one tournament game with St Peter’s is a great job, to win two is amazing, to win three games with that school is one of the damndest things I’ve ever seen in my life.
The BEBR guys do a really good podcast. They know their stuff..... they are big time UConn shills so of course Dan Hurley is listed first.
Those 🤡s drank 1 too many beers at the Bar to come up with that list.The BEBR guys do a really good podcast. They know their stuff..... they are big time UConn shills so of course Dan Hurley is listed first.
Tyrese Samuel played in that game. Richmond wasn’t close to being Hall’s best player.
But he was our best guard and he was our point guard. We should have won both games but Nova almost always finds a way when they play SHU.
Ok I don’t think this even garners a response.
But I will ask if you watch SHU games. I do not think you do.
Here's my list:
1 - Rick Pitino
2 - Sean Miller
3 - Danny Hurley
4 - Greg McDermott
5 - Shaka Smart
6 - Ed Cooley
7 - Thad Matta
8 - Shaheen Holloway
9 - Kyle Neptune
10 - Kim English
11 - Tony Stubblefield
1 - Rick Pitino
2 - Sean Miller
3 - Danny Hurley
4 - Greg McDermott
5 - Shaka Smart
6 - Ed Cooley
7 - Thad Matta
8 - Shaheen Holloway
9 - Kyle Neptune
10 - Kim English
11 - Tony Stubblefield
It all depends on relative strengths and weaknesses in the various aspects of collegiate coaching: recruiting, retention, player development, scheduling, game management and PR.
1. Pitino. Hall of Fame. He excels in every aspect of collegiate coaching. Did I mention that he's i the Hall of Fame?
2. Hurley. Winning the NCAA tourney is evidence of excellence in all of the aspects. He's clearly good at recruiting, retention and player development. Game management sometimes is a bit wonky. And with the championship, PR is getting better (e.g. first pitch recently).
3. Miller. Very good recruiter (even if subsidized). Excellent game manager. Good player developer.
4. Smart. Good recruiter (especially for his style of play). Excellent game manager. Good player developer. Retains players. Schedules well.
5. McDermott. Good recruiter (especially for his style of play). Excellent game manager. Good player developer. Retains players. Gets decent PR. Interchangeable with Smart at 4.
6. Cooley. Good recruiter. Very good player developer. Fair game manager. Good PR guy. Retains players.
7. Holloway. Difficult to fully assess especially with recruiting (how will portal guys play out and will Coleman and Tubek have game). Good game manager. Good player developer. Fair PR. Retention of players is fair (kept KD, Davis and Dawes but lost Samuel and Jackson)His time at St. Pete's really does not shed too much light on his skills other than game manager. His run to the elite 8 was impressive. But to sustain with the Hall, he needs to be able to recruit at a higher level and retain players.
8. Matta. Seems to be an anachronism. He was a good recruiter and player developer. But after some time off he too needs some time to show that he still has it. Never thought he was a great game manager.
9. Stubblefield. Early in his tenure so assessment is difficult. Decent recruiter. Good player developer. Decent game manager.
10. English. Early in his tenure so assessment is very difficult. Seemed to be on the right track at Mason. Time will tell.
11. Neptune. Can recruit. However... Wright did not leave the cubbard bare. Nova underperformed. He recruits the Nova brand well. But game management was not good. Other aspects of the position are uncertain since he is early in his tenure as a head coach.
1. Pitino. Hall of Fame. He excels in every aspect of collegiate coaching. Did I mention that he's i the Hall of Fame?
2. Hurley. Winning the NCAA tourney is evidence of excellence in all of the aspects. He's clearly good at recruiting, retention and player development. Game management sometimes is a bit wonky. And with the championship, PR is getting better (e.g. first pitch recently).
3. Miller. Very good recruiter (even if subsidized). Excellent game manager. Good player developer.
4. Smart. Good recruiter (especially for his style of play). Excellent game manager. Good player developer. Retains players. Schedules well.
5. McDermott. Good recruiter (especially for his style of play). Excellent game manager. Good player developer. Retains players. Gets decent PR. Interchangeable with Smart at 4.
6. Cooley. Good recruiter. Very good player developer. Fair game manager. Good PR guy. Retains players.
7. Holloway. Difficult to fully assess especially with recruiting (how will portal guys play out and will Coleman and Tubek have game). Good game manager. Good player developer. Fair PR. Retention of players is fair (kept KD, Davis and Dawes but lost Samuel and Jackson)His time at St. Pete's really does not shed too much light on his skills other than game manager. His run to the elite 8 was impressive. But to sustain with the Hall, he needs to be able to recruit at a higher level and retain players.
8. Matta. Seems to be an anachronism. He was a good recruiter and player developer. But after some time off he too needs some time to show that he still has it. Never thought he was a great game manager.
9. Stubblefield. Early in his tenure so assessment is difficult. Decent recruiter. Good player developer. Decent game manager.
10. English. Early in his tenure so assessment is very difficult. Seemed to be on the right track at Mason. Time will tell.
11. Neptune. Can recruit. However... Wright did not leave the cubbard bare. Nova underperformed. He recruits the Nova brand well. But game management was not good. Other aspects of the position are uncertain since he is early in his tenure as a head coach.
What do Big East coaches think of Hurley?
Obviously, a lot of kind words for the coach of the reigning national championship team. You might not want to click on the link if you are triggered by that.
Obviously, a lot of kind words for the coach of the reigning national championship team. You might not want to click on the link if you are triggered by that.
He has one regular season conference title in thirteen seasons. The narrative last year was how bad a job he was doing/how disappointing UConn was until he got one of the easier draws in recent NCAAT history. He won a NC god bless him, he is elite (right now)
but the NCAAT is largely a random collection of single match-up games. He doesn't have a S16 outside of this run. He will get dinged (slightly) until he proves its not a fluke. You could definitely put him second though
Anyone or any list that doesn't have Pitino first is click-bait insanity
Ummm strategic answering?What do Big East coaches think of Hurley?
Obviously, a lot of kind words for the coach of the reigning national championship team. You might not want to click on the link if you are triggered by that.
Let’s see….UConn possibly leaving conference so the coaches support Hurley ✅
Hurley wins a national championship…you think any conference coach would say anything on the record that’s not supportive? ✅
Come on ‘82. You’re smart enough to know these aren’t authentic.
I'm smart enough to know that in general most conference coaches if asked about a peer are going to respond positively, particularly after that peer won a national championship. That's largely based on social skills. But, I thought it was interesting enough to bring over and deposit on the board.
I somewhat agree. But the list of national championship winning coaches, it isn't a long one. Dan has put himself on it.
For what it's worth, I always enjoy when people refer to Connecticut national championships as being "lucky". We wanted to play more difficult teams, but unfortunately there were none left.
"Flags fly forever". You win a title, you get everything that comes with that. If one wants to debate him versus Sean Miller, I think that's fair because the overall context matters and they've had lengthy careers at various stops. But whether a team has an easy or hard road to a title, it does not matter ultimately. A national championship is a national championship.
It is ironic though that probably their toughest period that entire tourney run was the first half against Iona. Pitino saw that second half and knew what Hurley had. And now they are coaching in the same league.
It is ironic though that probably their toughest period that entire tourney run was the first half against Iona. Pitino saw that second half and knew what Hurley had. And now they are coaching in the same league.
You played the teams that were in front of you and, if I'm not mistaken, they beat another team to get there...I somewhat agree. But the list of national championship winning coaches, it isn't a long one. Dan has put himself on it.
For what it's worth, I always enjoy when people refer to Connecticut national championships as being "lucky". We wanted to play more difficult teams, but unfortunately there were none left.
National title is all that counts...
Hurley is getting the major benefit of recency bias. Fact is, he had one of the easiest paths to a championship I've ever seen. 13 seed, 5 seed, 8 seed, 3 seed, 5 seed, 5 seed. Never had to play a 1. Never had to play a 2. Only one 3. No 4's. Most of the good teams in the field (top 4 seed lines) could also have won a title with that path.
Lol, yeah he is! He's the reigning National champion's coach.
I love the easy path argument. Connecticut played the eighth seed because the eighth seed bead the one seed. That's kind of how March madness works.
UConn beat everybody by double digits, most by 20 points. It was one of the more dominant runs in recent memory. As I am fond of saying, we would've like to have beaten more teams, but there were none left.
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