REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT
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What's the problem? Those were totally reasonable and fair comments from Trump re: McCain. Nothing to see here. 
it's really frustrating that this moron is so high in the polls now. Everyone knows he's not going to be their candidate next year, yet we are forced to see all this coverage about him now b/c of his poll numbers. I strongly dislike the rest of the Republican pool (Bobby Jindal LOL) but at least alot of them are serious candidates with a modicum of class. I'll just keep supporting my man Bernie Sanders in the meantime I guess.
it's really frustrating that this moron is so high in the polls now. Everyone knows he's not going to be their candidate next year, yet we are forced to see all this coverage about him now b/c of his poll numbers. I strongly dislike the rest of the Republican pool (Bobby Jindal LOL) but at least alot of them are serious candidates with a modicum of class. I'll just keep supporting my man Bernie Sanders in the meantime I guess.
Trump has a lot of good ideas. He won't win, but it's pathetic how the media is attacking him every single day. Clearly the establishment has given its orders to the media to take out Trump.
The debates should be fun since he isn't the typical politician. All the other guys on stage will be shaking in their boots as they are forced to actually take a stand on an issue and not spout talking points and spin all night.
the deodorant line is not a big deal in the slightest? yeah it was def. a goofy thing to say, and I don't agree with his POV there, but it's one silly quote. It would have no bearing on his actual presidency.
Your other comment is without merit. Yes he is a socialist, but alot of our country's practices are already somewhat socialist. We have a nice combination of capitalism and socialism here atm, and all Sanders has espoused policy-wise that is so vastly different from the status quo is a raising of taxes on the rich, and a single-payer system for health care (which is very popular when asked properly in polls btw). You know full well the US would not turn into the mess in Greece or Venezuela if he were president. Just being dramatic. Besides, he would have a hostile Congress that would thwart alot of his agenda most likely anyway.
Your other comment is without merit. Yes he is a socialist, but alot of our country's practices are already somewhat socialist. We have a nice combination of capitalism and socialism here atm, and all Sanders has espoused policy-wise that is so vastly different from the status quo is a raising of taxes on the rich, and a single-payer system for health care (which is very popular when asked properly in polls btw). You know full well the US would not turn into the mess in Greece or Venezuela if he were president. Just being dramatic. Besides, he would have a hostile Congress that would thwart alot of his agenda most likely anyway.
That's nonsense. Trump is taking himself out with his own outrageous statements. Since he has been on every side of just about every issue at one time or another I wonder if he even believes what he's putting out there himself. One trait he clearly has is the inability to admit that he's wrong after continuously putting his foot in his mouth. Regarding his comments about Mexicans it seems that he's following the early nazi playbook of finding a scapegoat and keep pounding on that theme. The difference of course is that Hitler really was a madman whereas Trump is merely a publicity hound. The sad thing is that a lot of people are following him as if he is some sort of guru.
Tom K
Simplifying the tax code, getting tough on China, cracking down on illegal immigration are some of the big ones where he has put forth good ideas.
other than non descript sound bytes has he actually indicated what his plans are?
It's funny you mention sound bytes because that's what the media is seizing upon to try to get him out of the race. The media is pathetic when covering political candidates. They play favorites and any notion of objectivity is thrown out the window. Obama, Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush are examples of some of their favorites. Trump is the greatest example of someone they go out of their way to try to tear down.
Regarding taxes, I've heard he supports what's called a 1-5-10-15 tax structure. The 15% is only for those who make over $1M, I believe.
Trump won't win the nomination but at least he's stirred the pot and will keep the career politicians on their toes when they debate. I see Trump as the Herman Cain of 2016. He'll poll well early (which he has so far) but eventually fade away.
His point was fairly valid. We are a country where massive amounts of wealth are being created for an incredibly small group of people by creating innovations in a trivial product rather than working to improve the quality of life for all Americans. Obviously not all innovations are trivial but he believes we need to do something about the increasing income inequality. You might not agree but that
Some of his ideas are a little too left for my taste, but damn it is refreshing to listen to someone tell you exactly what they believe without worrying about who they will please or piss off.
Not sure if anyone saw Face the Nation yesterday, but Bernie Sanders and John Kasich both interviewed. I've been reading up a bit on Kasich and really like some of the things he's done or aligned on. He comes across as very credible and positions himself as a "problem-solver". His messaging is on point (collaboration, practical solutions, etc.)....and he has a track record! I like his positions on immigration, trade and although I think Obamacare is a joke, at this point, being able to repeal it, in it's entirety is not likely and a waste of jet fuel.
They made a good point on FTN, that both Trump and Sanders are appealing to a large part of the electorate that is just fed up with run-of-the-mill politicians. By both staying in the race, it will force the others to focus on actual issues and solutions (and who can be trusted). Sanders is really exposing the "trust-factor" of Clinton. He won't overtake her in the primary, but the fact that he's made up a ton of ground should give Hillary supporters a view into what will get exposed in the general election.
They made a good point on FTN, that both Trump and Sanders are appealing to a large part of the electorate that is just fed up with run-of-the-mill politicians. By both staying in the race, it will force the others to focus on actual issues and solutions (and who can be trusted). Sanders is really exposing the "trust-factor" of Clinton. He won't overtake her in the primary, but the fact that he's made up a ton of ground should give Hillary supporters a view into what will get exposed in the general election.
Trump has legs and it really makes sense. We love movie stars/rich guys, so he gives us that glamor. And we hate DC and pols in general. I actually think his comments about the rapists and about McCain, while stupid as hell, WERE made to sound way worse by the media sound bytes. I liken it to Brain Williams's lies. Brain to me is obviously a bullshitter. If he scores 15 points, he tells you he had 22. We all know guys like that. (Not too many new anchors though, at least as far as we know...lol) And Trump has that NYC brashness. Piss him off and he is back at you, in your face, maybe swinging below the belt.
I laughed at his candidacy a few weeks ago. Now I think he is gonna win the republican nod. And I think he wold beat Hillary.
What are his policys? Not sure it matters.
I laughed at his candidacy a few weeks ago. Now I think he is gonna win the republican nod. And I think he wold beat Hillary.
What are his policys? Not sure it matters.
I think both Trump and Sanders are gaining traction since they are discussing issues that have struck a nerve (immigration, jobs, disgust with the political process-campaign reform). Trump is intriguing...I don't think he has any intention or want to be President, but the longer he stays in the race (and he has the ability to stay in as long as he wants!), his voting block of supporters (and delegates) will be of significant value for whoever is left standing. Who he ends up endorsing has a good chance of winning the nomination.
My opinion is that this election is going to be won on the pocketbook and economy as it normally is (which immigration is a tangible connection). Who's message is going to resonate with the working class? I'm not sure how much gay rights effected the last couple of elections, but now that the Supreme Court has made their ruling, is there anything left to discuss on this issue? Even if a candidate didn't support the ruling, the answer know is "the ruling is made so let's move on". Security and terrorism is somewhat of a wash. I don't think the public will perceive any candidate as being material stronger than any other one.
You're right....doesn't matter what Trumps policies are (and I don't think he has any). It doesn't matter though, since he's not running to win. On the Hillary side, I think she's hit her ceiling and don't see her as becoming a more attractive candidate as the long campaign rolls on. I don't think its Sanders, but who knows who might emerge (Michael Bloomberg???).
I see the dem side like you in that I see (and feel) hillary fatigue - or is it bushclinton fatigue. But i don't think Sanders or any announced candidates have a prayer.
But do you really think trump will walk away? He is dominating a huge field and has been since he threw his comb in the ring. Do you figure he leaves when he loses his lead or will he just lose interest.
But do you really think trump will walk away? He is dominating a huge field and has been since he threw his comb in the ring. Do you figure he leaves when he loses his lead or will he just lose interest.
I could be totally wrong, but I see Trump as a deal guy. I don't see him having any interest in living in the highly structured, beholden to many, world of politics. He calls his own shots now and can drop in to any situation when and if he feels like it. That is very different from being president of the United States. I think he has already thought about his exit strategy which would be to throw his support to the appropriate candidate at the right time.Based on the polls his legacy as a politician is already cemented. With somebody like Trump he has an ego that tells him he can do any job that he wants. The question is does HE really want to really do it? Think about the deal he can cut for himself with any of the hopefuls...and then he can take credit for getting them elected!
Men with the biggest egos often want and need the most power. What deal? Kasich granting him a million acres for some gold course in Ohio for his support? If he is just getting gratitude in return for handing over his constituency, that deal is a lot of risk and little reward imo. And I do not think his constituency is one that is going to vote for anyone cause some guy tells them to.
He is really the perfect pol for today.
1. He isn't a pol.
2. He has nothing to do with DC or any statehouse.
3. He has built things that people can see.
4. He is actually interesting to watch and rich as he is, he is real.
5. He is rich and has some of the appeal JFK had, though of course he is much older and not as charming.
6. He taps into what is pissing Americans off.
He sucks the air out of the room, and so many Americans are ready for a free swinger who feels comfortable talking w/o consulting with his talking heads. He has said two of the most criticized things of the campaign and yet even with a late entrance into the race, is doubling every candidate in the polls.
I am convinced he is for real. I also told one of my best friends he was nuts to write an essay for US History in 75 saying Jimmy Carter would be the next president. I often talk about how KW doesn't have IT. Don is rolling in IT.
BTW, I have not been a fan of Trump for ages. His empire started in NYC right about when I moved there, with the Grand Hyatt, and I remember all the vandalism when Trump Tower was being built. I remember the casinos (one day, a friend was VERY drunk at around 7, and had Knick tickets. He stumbles out of the bar to go to the game, gets into the cab singing the song that was featured in a Trump Casimo ad, then falls asleep. He wakes up 90 minutes later in AC...lol), how his Dad had to show up at midnight once and buy a million bucks of chips so he could pay his investors. So I have watched him go up and down from virtually the beginning. If I was asked for word association, I may pick hot air.
One of the first people I ever sold a computer to around '79 grew up in one of Fred Trump's properties, and she idolized Fred, and hated Donald. FWIW.
And I say he is serious this time. I do think if he loses his lead he will look for the best exit strategy. But if he stays ahead, he is in it till the end. I think he has the best chance of getting crossover Dem voters who suffer from Hilary fatigue or Clintonitis.
He is really the perfect pol for today.
1. He isn't a pol.
2. He has nothing to do with DC or any statehouse.
3. He has built things that people can see.
4. He is actually interesting to watch and rich as he is, he is real.
5. He is rich and has some of the appeal JFK had, though of course he is much older and not as charming.
6. He taps into what is pissing Americans off.
He sucks the air out of the room, and so many Americans are ready for a free swinger who feels comfortable talking w/o consulting with his talking heads. He has said two of the most criticized things of the campaign and yet even with a late entrance into the race, is doubling every candidate in the polls.
I am convinced he is for real. I also told one of my best friends he was nuts to write an essay for US History in 75 saying Jimmy Carter would be the next president. I often talk about how KW doesn't have IT. Don is rolling in IT.
BTW, I have not been a fan of Trump for ages. His empire started in NYC right about when I moved there, with the Grand Hyatt, and I remember all the vandalism when Trump Tower was being built. I remember the casinos (one day, a friend was VERY drunk at around 7, and had Knick tickets. He stumbles out of the bar to go to the game, gets into the cab singing the song that was featured in a Trump Casimo ad, then falls asleep. He wakes up 90 minutes later in AC...lol), how his Dad had to show up at midnight once and buy a million bucks of chips so he could pay his investors. So I have watched him go up and down from virtually the beginning. If I was asked for word association, I may pick hot air.
One of the first people I ever sold a computer to around '79 grew up in one of Fred Trump's properties, and she idolized Fred, and hated Donald. FWIW.
And I say he is serious this time. I do think if he loses his lead he will look for the best exit strategy. But if he stays ahead, he is in it till the end. I think he has the best chance of getting crossover Dem voters who suffer from Hilary fatigue or Clintonitis.
I hope you're right, 85. I am a conservative, and a dual citizen. It's been clear for awhile that Hillary is the next in line, and I've been researching life -- and work -- overseas. That said, I would be frightened if Trump ever became President, and that might hasten my departure.
I am a f'ing American, and I am staying here no matter who wins. I have had a clothespin on my nose for half my life. But this is where I live and America is a country based on terrific ideas and I would NEVER move cause I didn't like the president.
If you were not frightens by the 8 years of W, who took over a country in the black and got us deep into debt, and war and war and war for stupid reasons that accomplished nothing good, I can't imagine how Trump or Hillary would frighten you.
I wonder how some board lib who told you he was moving cause the country is too right wing would be seen by our Donnie boy when he threatened to leave cause the wrong guy got elected.
Trump is just not electable (and I believe he knows that). He would do worse with Latino's than Romney did, and would likely not do well with women as well.
He will bow out at the appropriate time. He is basically there right now to throw shots at the other candidates to weed out any of the weaker ones. He really isn't dominating the field at all. Palin could jump into this field and take a lead. He has the name recognition and attracts the "crazies" as McCain said.
I still think it will be Jeb vs Hillary at the end of the day as depressing as that is with Hillary winning with a similar margin that Obama won with.
I don't agree. What do you mean he is there to throw shots at other guys to weed it out? He is doubling the other guys in every poll I have seen. Before him, we saw Repubs with 12-15 % leading, and now he is ahead at 24%, and this is after two huge screw ups (which actually were not as bad as the media said - stupid, but they got overblown, and ultimately, nobody cares.
NFW does he opt out when he is in the lead. If he flubs in the next months and isnt winning, he will concoct his best excuse and beat it. But if he stays ahead, and I think he will, he is gonna win the nod. I think he will dominate the debates and make it a runaway. And Kasich will be his VP and they will beat Hilary in an election that is not so close.
Merge, Trump will get crossover voters like Reagan did. You are nuts to underestimate him in this race. A guy like me will have a hard time pulling the lever for Hillary and I bet I am not alone. I can't think of 8 more years of defining what is is.
There you have it. Donnie, you better get that job in Belize right now!
NFW does he opt out when he is in the lead. If he flubs in the next months and isnt winning, he will concoct his best excuse and beat it. But if he stays ahead, and I think he will, he is gonna win the nod. I think he will dominate the debates and make it a runaway. And Kasich will be his VP and they will beat Hilary in an election that is not so close.
Merge, Trump will get crossover voters like Reagan did. You are nuts to underestimate him in this race. A guy like me will have a hard time pulling the lever for Hillary and I bet I am not alone. I can't think of 8 more years of defining what is is.
There you have it. Donnie, you better get that job in Belize right now!
Think western Europe -- I don't speak Spanish. But Belize is beautiful, and I could live like a king without paying for bad policy at a 40% clip. No argument from me that Bush was a disaster, but so is this society.
Give me a country that isn't celebrity obsessed to the point of not knowing/caring what the hell is going on at home, let alone other countries. Give me a judicial branch that doesn't act as the legislative branch. Give me a viable third party, for God's sake!
We have more technology than anyone, but are slipping in medicine and education. Violent crime is skyrocketing, our infrastructure is falling apart. People are tried and hanged on social media. We are pushing hard to marginalize (and tax) religion. We are deeply divided, and foolishly partisan, with politicians who are bought and paid for.
Geez, in NJ, we can't even have a discussion about problem-solving because the Democrats are too busy trying to get the fat Governor to resign, and draw up legislation that allows people to break other peoples' car windows if there's a dog left inside!
I'm an American too -- are you telling me that there's no place in the world that's better to live in? I might have agreed with you at one time.
Trump is the guy they are using to criticize the other candidates with what the democrats would use to see if it this stuff will stick or not. Trump has a zero percent chance of winning a national election.
People talk about how Hillary is unlikable. Trump is the only one out there with a worse unfavorable rating. His lead has been about the same as the margin of error in all of the polls I have seen other than the one ABC news poll which appears to be an outlier. He will peak soon and fade over the coming months as the field starts to narrow.
If you take a look at the demographics of the voting population, whoever is the GOP nominee will need to do significantly better than Romney did among Latino voters. If they don't, they have no chance to win.
Romney dominated among white voters 59-39 and Obama still won fairly easily. Obama won the women vote 56-44. Hillary will do at least as well as that especially against Trump.
So Trump would need to increase the number of white male voters by a HUGE margin which Romney already dominated last election, I just don't see the way he gets there at all. It really wouldn't be close.
People talk about how Hillary is unlikable. Trump is the only one out there with a worse unfavorable rating. His lead has been about the same as the margin of error in all of the polls I have seen other than the one ABC news poll which appears to be an outlier. He will peak soon and fade over the coming months as the field starts to narrow.
If you take a look at the demographics of the voting population, whoever is the GOP nominee will need to do significantly better than Romney did among Latino voters. If they don't, they have no chance to win.
Romney dominated among white voters 59-39 and Obama still won fairly easily. Obama won the women vote 56-44. Hillary will do at least as well as that especially against Trump.
So Trump would need to increase the number of white male voters by a HUGE margin which Romney already dominated last election, I just don't see the way he gets there at all. It really wouldn't be close.
No - a third party is not viable, as Blumberg realized when he looked long and hard into it. It can only be a nuisance to the other candidates.
What I am telling you is me staying here or not doesn't at all on who is elected. And I wonder what your reaction was when you read George Clooney say a similar thing about leaving if so and so was elected. The conserve press had a field day. I bet Denmark or many other Scandinavian countries are great to live in. I have always loved France and would love to live there. Or in the hills in Italy (I will not look into Tuscany as there is nothing available there), or Geneva. I read great things about Portugal recently. I doubt if I am leaving, but I am surely not leaving cause one of these candidates gets elected.
Sadly, things like SHU bball are big reasons why my wife & I haven't moved to Europe. We have friends in Vienna and have been there a few times. They have an office of my wife's company, and they have english speaking radio stations! Family & friends, the NYC/NJ music scene & SHU bball are the big blocks to ever leaving...in that order.
I just want to make sure this portion of your response doesn't go unnoticed. Gold, Seton75, gold!
Trump doesn't need a puppeteer to be willing to put his face out there and drive the debate between the candidates. He loves this crap which is why he is around for each election cycle... and he isn't clobbering anyone in what is a fairly weak field. He is a few points ahead of candidates that most people haven't heard of or think poorly of.
Yes, the biggest Hispanic populations are states where we can give out the electoral votes now, but it is the growth in swing states like Florida, Nevada, and Colorado where it really matters.
If those three go blue. Hillary could lose New Hampshire, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio and Virginia and she would still win the election.
Yes, the biggest Hispanic populations are states where we can give out the electoral votes now, but it is the growth in swing states like Florida, Nevada, and Colorado where it really matters.
If those three go blue. Hillary could lose New Hampshire, Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio and Virginia and she would still win the election.
But when candidates who are in the race and are not really legit candidates, but are part of the republican power structure, start dropping out, their supporters will start heading over to whoever the power structure supports.
I have him ignored, so I don't know what you're talking about, but I need a shower after reading it.
Your point is well taken; maybe it's the succession of GW Bush, Obama, and Clinton and the inevitable fallout from that is driving me, more than any one person. So you have the Democratic President, the Republican Congress, and a middling Supreme Court (as a whole), which will change. Obstruction, executive orders, and an activist court. What a country.
Oh, and regarding Clooney, or some other self-appointed celebrity pundit: don't care. I would never poo-poo anyone's desire to leave the country, for something better, no matter what brand of wing nut they are.
Merge, those Trump supporters you note as "crazies", are typically white, working class, high school educated people. Some would call them the dying middle-class tax paying backbone of this country rather than crazies. No wonder Trumps message resonates with them.
I maintain Trump, is in this for the thrill of the hunt, not to enjoy the meal afterwards. The deal he makes with whichever candidate he ultimately supports, will set him up as the guy that got said candidate elected. Think of how many years he can take credit for that. He would then become THE political power broker for life. He is waking up that working middle class and showing the network pundits to be a bunch of dumbasses.
I maintain Trump, is in this for the thrill of the hunt, not to enjoy the meal afterwards. The deal he makes with whichever candidate he ultimately supports, will set him up as the guy that got said candidate elected. Think of how many years he can take credit for that. He would then become THE political power broker for life. He is waking up that working middle class and showing the network pundits to be a bunch of dumbasses.
85, name a guy whose endorsement won an election and rested on those laurels for the rest of his life. Quick, come on. You know, "Joe Blow died yesterday. His endorsement of candidate X won the 19XX presidential election."
Now name the last ten presidents. Who gives a shit about deal makers of this sort. I can't come up with one who was lauded for doing this in my lifetime. Trump doesn't need this stuff, and his ego certainly does not need a boost.
What I say to both Merge and 85 is "...there you go again..."
Now name the last ten presidents. Who gives a shit about deal makers of this sort. I can't come up with one who was lauded for doing this in my lifetime. Trump doesn't need this stuff, and his ego certainly does not need a boost.
What I say to both Merge and 85 is "...there you go again..."
Lol....The difference is, that we're talking Trump and he will remind us every day for the rest of his life. Name one candidate that was leading the polls who threw his endorsement to another during the race? He'll be the first and only candidate to ever do that. I think he cares more about changing the election than winning it. He will take credit for the Republican candidate winning and for doing the unthinkable by taking Hillary out!
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